- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 01:35, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
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Wolfgang Anheisser
... that Wolfgang Anheisser, who studied in Johannesburg, became the leading baritone at the Cologne Opera, and simultaneously belonged to the East Berlin's State Opera?Source: several
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Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:52, 8 September 2021 (UTC).
- I have not reviewed the article or this nomination; I'm just noting that I've altered the proposed hook. Somebody who "studied voice" would be something like a linguist or maybe a vocologist, not a singer. So I've just removed the subject of study, since it's clear from the rest of the sentence that Anheisser was a singer. As for the rest, maybe "became the leading baritone at the Cologne Opera while simultaneously a member of East Berlin's State Opera"? - again simply because "belonged" seems like the wrong choice of word. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:49, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, however, "performed" is not the same as "was a member of the ensemble of" which is true but too long. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt Gefällt es dir jetzt, da ich habe es einmal wieder verbessert? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:09, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Es gefällt mir:
ALT0a: ... that Wolfgang Anheisser, who studied in Johannesburg, was the leading baritone at the Cologne Opera while simultaneously a member of East Berlin's State Opera"?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:38, 9 September 2021 (UTC)- I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Altars for Peace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, however, "performed" is not the same as "was a member of the ensemble of" which is true but too long. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- I have not reviewed the article or this nomination; I'm just noting that I've altered the proposed hook. Somebody who "studied voice" would be something like a linguist or maybe a vocologist, not a singer. So I've just removed the subject of study, since it's clear from the rest of the sentence that Anheisser was a singer. As for the rest, maybe "became the leading baritone at the Cologne Opera while simultaneously a member of East Berlin's State Opera"? - again simply because "belonged" seems like the wrong choice of word. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:49, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Article meets DYK requirements and a QPQ has been done. The hook fact for ALT0/ALT0a is only mentioned in the lede and not the body, and does not have a reference. In fact, the article body doesn't even suggest that he was the leading baritone of the opera, merely that he performed leading roles. In addition, I don't think the mention of studying in Johannesburg is necessary in either hook, since it doesn't add much and the real hook fact here is that he was a member of two operas simultaneously. In addition, while undoubtedly tragic, I wonder if a hook about his death could be proposed, because personally I thought that was the most unusual and interesting part of the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm going ahead and proposing an ALT based on his death:
- ALT1
... that baritone Wolfgang Anheisser died during a performance of Millöcker's Der Bettelstudent, after falling from a balcony when a security device failed? - I have to admit, dying in an opera performance is very unusual and this is the first time I've heard of such an incident. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for reviewing. The fact is mentioned but I see that it can be misleading. The German term is Erster Bariton, which translates to First baritone = leading baritone, but in a sentence, you don't see a difference to that he first became baritone. Help? - Johannesburg means he had to start from zero as a no-name, - it was unusually hard to make that career. But I understand that it's not obvious. You can probably imagine that I didn't want to mention his tragic death in a hook. ... and certainly not with the quirkyness of that funny piece (which wasn't his typical repertoire). ... and if the piece no link to the composer. - Did you ever hear of someone a member of a West German and an East German company at the same time? I didn't. His widow may read the hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- In which case, how about a simpler version of the original hook, one that gets straight to the point and doesn't try to include too many facts?
- ALT0b ... that Wolfgang Anheisser was the leading baritone at the Cologne Opera while simultaneously a member of East Berlin's State Opera?
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Accepted. Happy that I don't have to mention how we lost Iridescent as a DYK contributor by a sensationalist hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging Narutolovehinata5, who can approve ALT0b since it's Gerda Arendt's ALT0a with the "studied" clause dropped and no other changes. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- ... but who could also approve the original. I have seen many bios of German opera singers, but remember not a single one with studies abroad, and then that far away. We might add "German" but I think his name is German enough, and then Cologne and Berlin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging Narutolovehinata5, who can approve ALT0b since it's Gerda Arendt's ALT0a with the "studied" clause dropped and no other changes. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- Accepted. Happy that I don't have to mention how we lost Iridescent as a DYK contributor by a sensationalist hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- In which case, how about a simpler version of the original hook, one that gets straight to the point and doesn't try to include too many facts?
Approving ALT0b only. As I mentioned earlier, I don't think the Johannesburg mention adds much to the hook and the essence works without it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:24, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
