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RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins[edit]

Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:

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Sorry about the weird attributions for my arguments[edit]

I got an interesting response to my comment at the JC discussion, this may have been a rather poor attempt to shield myself from that. FortunateSons (talk) 13:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Jan Klán[edit]

On 15 May 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jan Klán, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jan Klán, as a pilot in the Groupe de Chasse II/5, became the first Czech to achieve an aerial victory against the Luftwaffe while flying the Hawk 75? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jan Klán. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Jan Klán), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your close at Talk:Andy Ngo#RfC: First sentence of the lead[edit]

Can you please explain how you arrived at no consensus for the proposal to add 'activist' to the first sentence of the lead? Noting that journalist was not part of the question put, going by your numbers (disregarding what you classify as indecipherable opinions) I'd note that 16 our of 27 editors supported the addition of 'activist' which gives 59.26%. I would have thought that given the high number of participants that 59.26% for the proposal is consensus? TarnishedPathtalk 07:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Can you please explain how you arrived at no consensus for the proposal to add 'activist' to the first sentence of the lead?"
Certainly!
  1. First, I applied WP:DETCON which directs that consensus must be determined by "... the quality of the arguments given on the various sides of an issue, as viewed through the lens of Wikipedia policy".
  2. Having determined that arguments on both sides were of roughly equal quality I, next, applied WP:NHC which directs that "If the discussion shows that some people think one policy is controlling, and some another, the closer is expected to close by judging which view has the predominant number of responsible Wikipedians supporting it, not personally select which is the better policy."
  3. Third, I applied existing knowledge and experience as to the meaning of the word "predominant". "Predominant" suggests more than a mere majority; the transitive verb of "predominant" is "dominate" which, in my experience and in all closes I've both made and viewed -- and just, frankly, in life in general -- is not used to describe a mere majority.
  4. Fourth, I engaged in a process of axial coding to identify thematic clusters present in the comments of respondents. These I itemized in the close summary.
  5. Fifth, as I am required to do in cases in which no policy-based arguments outweigh the others (see point 1), I judged which views had the "predominant number of responsible Wikipedians supporting it". I determined 56% (15 from coded opinion 1) supported the proposal, while 41% opposed it (10 from opinion 2 + 1 from opinion 3). Coded opinion 4 was non-determinative. As mentioned, three opinions were indecipherable.
  6. Sixth, having determined that the process of first resort (quality of argument) had not produced a clear outcome, and the process of second resort ("predominant numbers") would have to be applied and, having determined that "predominant" means some segment larger than a mere majority, I arrived at the conclusion that 56% (a mere majority, hence, less than a predominant number) did not constitute a consensus for adoption, and 41% (a minority, hence less than a predominant number) did not constitute a consensus against adoption, ergo there was WP:NOCONSENSUS.
"I would have thought that ... 59.26% for the proposal is consensus?" Your thought in this regard is incorrect. The essay WP:PNSD accurately explains our policy on consensus by noting that "...decisions on Wikipedia are made on the basis of consensus, not on vote-counting or majority rule". Additionally, your calculation is also incorrect. Chetsford (talk) 08:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chetsford for my calculation I added 15 editors who said to call Ngo an activist to the 1 editor to call him both an activist and a journalist. Those 16 editors said to call Ngo an activist which was what the RfC question was. I added the 10 editors who said to call them a journalist and not a activist to the one editor who said not to call them an activist. Those 11 editors said to not call Ngo an activist, which again is what the RfC question was. I excluded the three editor who had no decipherable opinion. That's 16 for and 11 against giving a total of 27. 16/27 x 100 = 59.26% to the nearest hundredth of a percent. If policy arguments both for and against are of approximately equal value, given the high participation, I would have thought that 59.26% for and 40.74% (11/27 * 100) against is larger than a mere majority and hence consensus. TarnishedPathtalk 08:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First, for reasons too extensive to fully get into here, the either/or !voter can only logically be counted as the union of two groups, as per below, when they're !voting affirmatively as opposed to !voting negatively; to apply in the way you've suggested would also demand the "oppose" camp is set at 44% rather than 40% since the proposal negated the possibility of an alternative inclusion. Though I know this can be a source of disagreement and I'd be open to being convinced otherwise at some other place and in some other time.
∣A∪B∣=∣A∣+∣B∣−∣A∩B∣
Second, for sake of argument, were I to accept the 59% figure, I would still reject the notion that threshold represents the "predominant" perspective in the way the word "predominant" is commonly used, particularly with these small numbers (27 people).
Third, and most importantly, it's hard for me to imagine a situation in which the difference between consensus and no consensus all comes down to how we classify a single !voter, particularly with regard to the fact that - as noted by WP:PNSD - decisions are not made "on vote-counting". If "consensus" is only determinable based on the outcome of the classification or reclassification of a single !voter, that suggests there is no broad agreement among the community, the very definition of consensus. Chetsford (talk) 09:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chetsford, thanks for your time. I have no particular interest in requesting a review at WP:AN. TarnishedPathtalk 09:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TarnishedPath - I have no problem if you request a review and you absolutely won't offend me if you do. I think all Ngo RfC closes end up in review in the end anyway so, if you don't, someone probably will. Chetsford (talk) 18:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit[edit]

Chetsford, you did explain the rationale for this edit and I get where you are coming from. But, the result is that the remainder text is that “Wikipedia made decision X, Y, Z” but there is no reason given by Wikipedia why the decision was made. Could you consider restoring some of the rationale? Thank you. starship.paint (RUN) 10:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starship.paint -- I totally agree with you. I'm probably going to be offline the rest of the weekend, though, so please feel free to revert me, or make whatever edits you think are appropriate and remedy this. Chetsford (talk) 18:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]