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The Da Vinci Globe

Hi Doug, I have an academic relationship with Stefaan Missinne and and I asked for his copyright for this wikipedia article and he accepted. how can i solve the many problems i seem to have ? thanks a lot @davidguam

Amendment on Domestic Terrorism

I dont see that the 7.21 Yuen Long Incidents and 8.31 Prince Edward Incidents are commonly recognized as domestic terrorism, and they dont match the definition of "domestic terrorism" at all.

The hong kong protesters are trying to deliver wrong messages to wikipedia users.

These two incidents should be removed from the examples.

Proposed deletion of Theories of Pashtun origin

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The article Theories of Pashtun origin has been proposed for deletion. The proposed deletion notice added to the article should explain why.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the ((proposed deletion/dated)) notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing ((proposed deletion/dated)) will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.

Your messages about vaccine hesitancy article

I now understand the concept of these notices. Thank you for making that clearer. But see below about your tone and the tone of the notice I was sent.

  1. I am not anti-vaccine. I am strongly pro-vaccine. Anti-vaccination propaganda is an ugly and dangerous phenomenon.
  2. I do not "have an interest in pseudo science or fringe science." The fact that I edited an article about a subject like that does not indicate an interest. I read part of the article and corrected what I thought was an overstatement that might be vulnerable to an attack against imprecision.
  3. My edit was trying to improve the pro-vaccine presentation in the article.
  4. The article contains a long list of real-world consequences of anti-vaccine propaganda. That is a good thing. Now if someone added another such (valid) example, would that person likewise receive the same notice I did?
  5. I did not see the box on the right side of the "vaccine hesitancy" article. In any case, that box does not mention that editing the article was a questionable activity, subject to receiving a notice.
  6. The notice, and your messages to me, have a negative and punitive tone that I believe is inappropriate. I feel attacked.
  7. I have been editing Wikipedia for 15 years. Here is my current edit count:Live edits 4,652 · (99.7%), Deleted edits 14 · (0.3%), Total edits 4,666
  8. I am proud of the above.
  9. The notice, instead of saying that the editor in question has shown an interest, should say that s/he edited an article which falls under the pseudo-science or fringe science classification. The current version of the notice tries to analyze the interests or personality of the editor. No such personal analysis is called for. Dratman (talk) 21:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dratman: The message left on your talkpage was a boilerplate message (see here for a whole list of them Template:Ds/alert), Dougweller did not personally insert the tone/language that seems you are upset with. Both anti-vaxx and their opposites would get the exact same message, it's not meant to imply you are one or the other, have a special interest or not, or that editing said article is "questionable behavior". It's just to alert new editors of the page that the subject, because of it's nature as a problem area on the 'pedia, has special circumstances that other articles do not. Heiro 03:56, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case, the notice should be reworded. The way the notice is worded now suggests that I have done something questionable just by showing "an interest." Is it possible for me to edit the notice? Dratman (talk) 15:17, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dratman: you're misreading it. It's just an alert, and I have alerted myself for all the areas covered. No Administrator or experienced editor would think you've done something questionable just by reading the alert. It can't be reworded, but you can delete it. It's logged and lasts for one year. Doug Weller talk 15:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I did not mean I want to edit the particular copy of the alert on my talk page. I was asking (if you know) whether it is possible to edit the Wikipedia text that gets used whenever the alert is applied? You know, the source text. I want to change the wording so that other people who receive it will not get the wrong impression of what it means, as I did. Dratman (talk) 00:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the place to propose changes would be Template talk:Ds. I doubt that the template can be unilaterally changed without discussion and consensus, without such a change being immediately reverted. BD2412 T 00:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I will make the suggestion. Dratman (talk) 05:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Illusion of consensus on Talk:Turning Point USA

Three editors are, I believe, working together to create the illusion of consensus on Talk:Turning Point USA#Article needs a little bit of formatting clean up, attempting to remove relevant substantive material from the article on the spurious grounds that information about Turning Point USA's political action committee, Turning Point Action, is not relevant to TPUSA.

I've filed an SPI regarding them at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MaximusEditor, but that could take a while to be processed, and there's always the possibility that it's simply coordination, not sockpuppetry.

Could you please take a look at what's going on? Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:08, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've started an RfC to draw more editors into the discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:26, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Beyond My Ken: I'm involved in the article, so I can't CU. Doug Weller talk 17:58, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I realize that. I was more interested in your possibly getting involved in the discussion and RfC as an editor. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Damn, it just occurred to me, if I wasn't contacting you as an admin, then this would be canvassing. My goodness, it's easy to fall into that trap. Please forget that I mentioned it, and please stay away from that discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:47, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Biased Text

Hello, just receieved your message on my talk page. Thank you for taking time to contact me. As for the issues regarding the Jinn page, I have explained the reasons for my edits in the talk page prior to editing them. As I explained, the text on the page must not be biased and must be relevant to the subject of the page. I've found several texts in the page which violate this and several contradictions due to people adding their opinion. This is something which both us would agree is not right and we must keep the pages unbiased and professional.

--Tmason101 (talk) 17:22, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Public Domain

"the state of belonging or being available to the public as a whole". --Tmason101 (talk) 17:24, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have a serious misunderstanding as to what "Public Domain" means. And apparently from your edits "NPOV" as well, you should go read up both. Heiro 17:33, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vedic period

Could you take a look at Vedic period? I suppose that this behavior is obviously disruptive. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Joshua Jonathan: not a subject I know enough about. Doug Weller talk 12:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... I notice I respond a little bit quick-tempered lately; must be the corona-times.... Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic Page Vandalism

Although you might not like Islam this does not mean adding false information on the pages and removing reverts to correct it. Right now what your doing is wrong and I'm going to have to bring it to attention. I've made several attempts to remove incorrect statements and you're not allowing me to do so. I showed valid reasons and provided evidence to back up my claim. You're using wikipedia to express personal biases. I'm going to have to flag your account.

--Tmason101 (talk) 11:58, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tmason101: as usual I have no idea what you mean - flag my account". But please do try to bring "to attention" your false claim I don't like Islam. Doug Weller talk 12:12, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Tmason101: please do not cast aspersions. Thank you. El_C 12:15, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
El C, Doug Weller they've since threatened to "escalate" this and implied legal action (as well as "telling my boss" with "screenshots") because I told them we don't (helpers) get involved in content disputes. lol Praxidicae (talk) 12:20, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Praxidicae: ? I don't see that anywhere. He just reverted your post here however. Doug Weller talk 12:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You won't, he came into IRC several times this week demanding we do something about "group vandalism" and today it devolved into him saying the above. Also sorry about my revert, new laptop and getting used to the new mousepad! Praxidicae (talk) 12:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My WP:DE spidey senses are tingling. El_C 12:29, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@El C: more CIR - his user page used to say "Hi my name I am Tmason101. I am also on wikia and deviant art. I am a pixel artist. I make loads of Mario sprites, they are all over the web. I am mostly at the Spectrobes wiki. I have over 2000 edits and I edit quite frequently. Allot of the 2D artwork there has been uploaded by me." And he tried to flag the article by adding it to WP:Pages needing attention which at its top says clearly "This page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference. Either the page is no longer relevant or consensus on its purpose has become unclear. To revive discussion, seek broader input via a forum such as the village pump." Doug Weller talk 12:40, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, WP:CIR with a splash of WP:NPA. El_C 12:41, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm actually wondering if this account is possibly compromised...Praxidicae (talk) 12:42, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Mmm. CIR, POV, EW, PA with a healthy dash of BATTLEGROUND thrown in. I don't think compromised though - quite a few of the 2015 and 2017 edits touch on the subject of Islam, which is in-line with their current editing. GirthSummit (blether) 13:33, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am reminded of this essay! GirthSummit (blether) 13:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lol! Doug Weller talk 13:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notice on my talk page

You have put a notice on my talk page about politic biasm. Why? Because I have made resisited edits on ANTIFA and Abortion? That is two. Do it at three at least, and btw, by the look at your edit history; you are the one who needs this notice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siggines (talk • contribs) 18:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Siggines: I did no such thing. I gave you a standard Discretionary sanctions alert, and I've alerted myself at the top of this talk page. Doug Weller talk 18:12, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of Heaven edits

I had a lengthy discussion about a year ago with the wife of Pastor Paul Revere. Het names is Rachel. I made an edit to clarify the position of the church to help readers understand. I hadn't look at my edit in almost a year but recently I saw it was removed the day after I posted it. So I reposted it, citing Rachel as the source and it was removed. Why would you remove information that helps readers understand the subject? Surrealsax (talk) 20:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Surrealsax: Because we have policies on WP:CITE, WP:VERIFY, and WP:RELIABLE. Imagine if we did not, and let any anonymous person on the the internet who claimed he knew someones wife who told him such and such and just let them write whatever they want? We do not publish WP:TRUTH, but only what can be verified by citations to reliable sources. Heiro 20:18, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ravi Shankar (spiritual leader)

((ec))? DMacks (talk) 13:25, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@DMacks: I'm not sure how that happened. Sorry, I've replaced the protection template. Doug Weller talk 13:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. Thanks for being extra eyes on that disruption-magnet of an article! DMacks (talk) 13:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks Doug. Appreciate it EvilDestroyer2 (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

West Eurasians

Hi Doug, I took a look at West Eurasians (created yesterday, 22 June), left some remarks at Talk:West Eurasians, and think that it is a hoax, and a bad one, too. Thanks in advance for any idea or thought on what to do about it. --Rsk6400 (talk) 15:58, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure. I only read through the lede and only skimmed through the rest of the article so far, but that is pretty much in line with most stuff I've read on the population archaeogenetics of Europe and western Asia in the last 10 years. There are probably better phrasing for things like "into Europe a population not related to West Eurasians was already decaying demographically", the editor used "decaying" several times after that. It could use more inline cites and more secondary sources, the photos moved to the right and not centered under bodies of test, that distracting AF. But I do not think it's a hoax. Heiro 16:38, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I can see decent sources with a quick GBooks and GScholar search. Doug Weller talk 18:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Daily mall reference

Thank you. I was not aware Daily mall is not a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lahgum (talk • contribs) 02:37, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cathy O'Brien

I have done as you suggested. I posted this on the page you linked to:

It needs to be discussed that Cathy O'Brien's books are eligible for citation. I have done an extensive write up of her page with extensive citations. Her books are published under Whistle-blower laws and the Constitution of the United States of America. Her first document - Trance Formation of America - is uncontested before the US Congressional Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence oversight and is in law libraries around the world. Users keep blocking the write-up I did of her, which includes no bias of my own or any opinion. Instead I have stated pure fact from her life as documented. The fact anyone would want to silence this uncontested testimony would only align with extreme bias against fact, testimony, and what criminals have only done for decades. Her testimony is a matter of public record and should be on Wikipedia as I have written it - facts only. What was there was completely biased and non-factual. This involves intelligence agencies and criminal activity of the highest order, so Wikipedia, as a community and project for the people of the world should not show bias in favour of the criminals at such agencies. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by AshleyCaprice (talk • contribs) 15:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced material?

I want you to read carefully what you've written on your "June 2020" message to me. This message to you is not writing unsourced material. So, you've absolutely no grounds for blocking when someone leaves you a return message. Besides, blocks never last for long on this phasing out site. When you message someone (and are unnecessarily snide), I want you to remember they've the right to message you back.

I've noticed here on Wikipedia it states that Wikipedia is not meant to be used for a primary or secondary encyclopedia for students. And with the large drop (3/4) in editors, Wikipedia is wobbling on its last legs anyway. Seems some spent 12 (or more) years which are going down the bowl rapidly as people have lost interest in being Wikipedia editors/contributors. Tsk, tsk! Again, this is not an edit...it's a message.

BTW, how are things in Florida? Many statues removed, toppled, defaced in 13 colonies' freedom from pedophile palace (Buckingham)? Your state isn't one of those states. But, still...YOU LIVE THERE!

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