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I created a page for Quido since it was in demand that a lot of people wanted to know about this new artist. It is my first time at this and so there is no doubt that I am a novice. What seems to be the problem? I got the information from sources the artist himself. So if any explanation could be given for its speedy deletion. I would just like to know what it takes then for an article or biography to be kept on Wikipedia? I even got newspaper writers to look through the io and they approved of its composure.

• I don't talk to IP addresses. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Apologies, so then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Q da Hustle (talk • contribs) 02:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean by notability? Are you talking about the biography of the individuals or the project itself? Please clarify. (Habibz7 (talk) 00:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

• Both if necessary, I presume Mr. Habibz. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:46, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Mr.Habibz sounds like a good name for me. Can you tell me what I need to do in regards to this situation to make it more notable for people. Thanks.(Habibz7 (talk) 01:04, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

• Tidy up the article! You have got things crazily upside down - external links in the body of the article and and wikilinks at the end! Have you actually bothered to look at any other Wikipedia articles? No. You have just banged in your promotional piece and hoped it would be accepted. Read this about links. But above all, organise things so that I can see at a glance whether there are actually any links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 01:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

RHaworth, thanks for your helpful and kind comment. By no means we want to use this page as promotional and advertisement. As you can see there is no indication of actual date regarding concert date, although they are fixed. The main goal is to keep this page solely as informative material, and no advertisement at all. Also, I personally try to follow Wikipedia's guidelines. I am sure other editors of the page will do the same to rescue this page from deletion. Once again, thanks for your help. --R m1364 (talk) 06:54, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I created a page for Socky & Jamie, my first attempt on Wikipedia, and was using the code format of another page to learn my way around and have a structure that seemed the norm. I set it up as a user subpage so I could try it out but couldn't get it all done in one sitting. Can you recommend a way to build a page without getting it deleted so I can learn? – BelindaLove [she meant Belindalove (talk · contribs)] —Preceding undated comment added 14:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC).

• Continue working on User:Belindalove/Socky & Jamie until it ready for the (article) namespace. But I would warn you that if it is just a YouTube series, it is very unlikely to be deemed notable. Please sign talk page comments with ~~~~. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:16, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I created a page for Moshe Stern, but it was deleted, despite the fact that I explained why it is worthy and significant. Although you may be unfamiliar with the person, he is a well-known and important rabbi to orthodox Jews all the world over. – Rebyid613 (talk) 23:13, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• I deleted the article because of a total absence of external links, whether to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources or otherwise. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:24, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I recently created a page for the band To The Chase - yes they are not known worldwide yet, but I know many other smaller bands that have pages that are only known in the area they are from and remain on the site...I was about to add more references when you deleted it. I think this process is totally unjust and far to quick. Please explain yourself and tell me what I can do to get it back up... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.125.16.11 (talk • contribs)

• I do not talk to IP addresses. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:48, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

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++++ delete above here if no further edits - already in archive. If further edits, move below here.

Hi, I noticed that today you deleted the article I recently wrote on Freeads. I provided references after the page was marked for deletion and I marked the article with the hangon tag. Please let me know if I need to provide further references to assert it's notoriety, although I thought I had already done so? Please can you also re-instate the article so that I can make the necessary edits? Thanks! Gtebbutt (talk) 20:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

• You provided references but I did not see much by way of independent, reliable sources. You compared it to Gumtree which did not impress me much because I am a UK consumer and I had not heard of Gumtree. The Alexa rank for Freead.net is not promising - but I do see that they have multiple domain names. I suggest: provide better refs and re-submit via AfC. I would send you the text but read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

OK - thanks. FYI Gumtree are the largest classified ad company in the UK and are owned by Ebay! And the domain name is Freeads.co.uk - it was rebranded from Freeads.net as stated in the timeline etc. Alexa page here: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/freeads.co.uk – 86.2.252.130 (talk) 23:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC) Gtebbutt

Hi, Please can you re-instate this article to my userspace so that I can provide the necessary edits? - Thanks, Gtebbutt (talk) 17:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Found another reference for Freeads: Is this mention in a Daily Mail article alongside Ebay, Gumtree and Freecycle enough to prove notability? – Gtebbutt (talk) 17:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

• Please read my message above starting from "I suggest" and follow the links. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:42, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

My page on Industrial Quick Search was deleted in November. I was wondering if you could suggest to me ways it could be altered so that I could re-post without it being deleted? The reason for deletion was cited as A7: Article about a company, corporation, organization, or group, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. Is this simply a matter of sources? If so, would adding a link to the following suffice? \\iqs-server\shared\GoldMine\MailBox\Attach\ICRREPRINTsales(1).pdf Any help you can offer would be much appreciated. Industry123 (talk) 20:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

• Please learn how to create links both internal and external. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:39, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

All of the links I had seemed to be working while the article was up. Can you please clarify what you mean? Industry123 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC).

• When you write a message, you are expected to provide a wikilink to the article - red links work for admins. And what on earth was "\\iqs-server\… above supposed to be? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

If the page has been deleted and I cannot access it how would I link to it? The link was supposed to be to a PDF, my apologies that it did not work. Would citing InfoCommerce Report give us the type of reference needed to get us past the A7 article? Industry123 (talk) 13:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• You link to it thus: Industrial Quick Search - simple! Without that link how did you expect me to view the deleted article? Obviously the link to InfoCommerce Report is useless - it does not mention your company. My standard advice is wait until someone with no COI writes about it. But if you must and if you can actually find some links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources, then you can try AfC. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:48, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I am not a spammer please. -- Ranatalwar (talk) 21:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I believe the Saloom Furniture Company is notable enough for a wiki entry because a) it distributes its products throughout the U.S. and Canada b) generates millions of dollars annually c) has been noted by national and industry publications d) has made the Inc. 500 fastest-growing list several times e) is the largest employer in its town and f) has been in business for nearly 30 years. All of this was illustrated clearly in the deleted article. --StopWatch4500 (talk) 00:17, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• I can see only one independent reference. Look at some of the entries in category:Furniture manufacturers for guidance. As a minimum you must add two or three more and re-submit via AfC. Text has been e-mailed. (Wikipedia standards have got tougher - I happened to look at Thomasville Furniture Industries - that article is thinner on independent refs than yours but it has survived for four years.) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:51, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm wondering what you meant by "try again" in your edit description. Forgive me, but it's a little cryptic. --StopWatch4500 (talk) 17:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• Is "re-submit via AfC" also too cryptic? That is all I meant by "try again". — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Hello, there. I recently wrote my first article about DJ Ray Rhodes, a well-known person in Los Angeles. Since having my page deleted, I have re-edited the article somewhat, deleting some parts that may not fit wikipedia's expectations. Are you able to tell me the reasons that page was deleted so that I can redo the article? Any suggestions would be helpful. — PopMuzikFan (talk) 01:43, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• To qualify for Wikipedia, he must be well-known in the USA and preferably world wide. Well-known in LA is not enough. I looked at the article and saw a list of links looking like: [1]. You had made no effort to make inviting links so I ignored them and zapped the article. Reviewing them now, I see that, with duplications, there are only about five links rather than fourteen and not one of them is to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:24, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Please clarify your position on deleting my article about Festivalfox and why you deleted it? I would like to work within wikipedia's guidlines but I don't see the point to this whole idea if people can spend their time trolling other people's contributions and judge them without clarifying their point. Festivalfox was flagged for being a club, it is not, it is a small yet notable cultural database uniting European cultural events organizers. Perhaps you or the Blade of northern something don't appreciate culture, but wikipedia expressely states that size doesn't matter and the article should be about amongst other things of cultural value. the festivalfox article respected that. I suggest you offer some creative contribution to improve articles rather than remove them to compensate for other aspect of your life. This is a wiki site. — loosecaboose — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loosecaboose (talk • contribs) 13:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• I deleted the article because of a total lack of links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Indeed you had not even managed to link to the website itself. Just as you could not even manage to check your contribs history to find the proper name for The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk · contribs). I assume you have a COI so I recommend you to get a life (personal comments like that are liable to get you blocked) and wait for someone with no COI to come along and write about the site. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

not sure if it is such a good idea to execute your decisions based on assumptions. As for the link, yes it was a typo, you're right, but I doubt that that hasn't happened with you at some point, you could've just as easily gave me a head's up and/or cut and paste it to verify the hang on comments i made; I'm new to the site and it was late. Others, more conducive to the ideals behind anything wiki have suggested more constructively on how to better my article, so please restore it back to: User:Loosecaboose/Festivalfox. Will work on the formatting and adding the links. And yes, it is upsetting to have something deleted without any explanation, and while I'm sure you have to deal with many irate contributors, legit or not, it must come with the territory, and it's your decision to do this job. I'm ready to start with a clean slate so i look fwd to you restoring the 'draft' of an article back to the original thread. cheers! Loosecaboose (talk) 12:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Please restore the Festivalfox article to User:Loosecaboose/Festivalfox. Thank you! Loosecaboose (talk) 11:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

• Please read this. The deletion log clearly states: "A7: Article about a group or club, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject". I consider that an explanation. Did you see that A7 was a link? Did you follow it for more explanation? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

As you have been in conversation/contention with User:Al ashton previously, could you take a look at this please?: Julien Friedler. It appears as if something should be done, but I don't know quite how to approach it... large swathes in French and confusing arty-speak. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 14:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Update: the article has been added-to and changed, but it is still a bit strange. Acabashi (talk) 15:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• I suggested writing it. Fr:Julien Friedler has been around since 2006 and I suspect the guy would survive an AfD here. But don't let that stop you suggesting deletion! Keep a watch for Be art (or Be Art (deleted by me) or BeBoz-BeArt) - recently created by Al ashton at fr:Be art. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:26, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

You really had no business deleting this page. Could I get the text back please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apsobibi (talk • contribs) 15:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I think he means Dead Child Star (band). --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:36, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Text e-mailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi there. You proposed this article for deletion as non-notable; however, an article by this title has previously been deleted at AFD. This makes it ineligible for WP:PROD: articles that have previously been discussed at AFD, whether kept or deleted, cannot be deleted in this way. To delete this article, you will have to take it back to WP:AFD. (You could also nominate it for speedy deletion under WP:G4, but according to the history someone already tried this, and it was declined[2] - apparently this article is not substantially similar to the one previously deleted under this title.) – Robofish (talk) 23:12, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

• The new article is much longer and the first AfD was five years ago so I have given him another AfD. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Sir: why u deleted sir i m a artist or singer of my country so i have created that article sir please do not delet my article, sir can i re-create?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fayazrind (talk • contribs) 09:43, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Requesting unprotection please on the Saad page, to make a dab page listing "Sa'ad" and Sa'ad (name) - "Saad" is a common spelling of the name. John Cengiz talk 17:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• What a mess! Saad, SAAD and Sa'ad all doing different things when one should be a dab page and the other two should redirect to it. Also, I am amused that the title Sa'ad which is predominantly a Muslim name should have been grabbed by a Jewish organisation. I have given you redirects on Saad and SAAD but I would say that the first thing you need to do is to work through special:whatlinkshere/Sa'ad and change each to link to Sa'ad (kibbutz) or as appropriate if the link does not refer to the kibbutz. Change the wording of Sa'ad (name) to become a general dab page and include Sa'ad (kibbutz) in it. When that has been done, we can consider whether Sa'ad (name) should be moved to Saad or Sa'ad. But: propose the move now at Talk:Sa'ad (name) - see these instructions - we are supposed to get consensus before serious moves. (I am probably going to get told off for moving Sa'ad → Sa'ad (kibbutz) without discussion!) Allow a week to see if there are any views, then if the system does not let you move, get me or another admin to do it - do not copy&paste. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:44, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Done all that. Thanks for the help. John Cengiz talk 18:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Re your message (I reverted your undoing of the message), a simple replacement like that is something that a bot could handle, is it not? (reply here if you wish, I'll look in later) Mjroots (talk) 20:29, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• Why revert? I had been having finger trouble and it got posted twice. I am not particularly worried about fixing existing articles - yes, I might knock up a bot myself some time. But I do want to stop the rot spreading. Template:infobox church is generating most of the recent cases and I have just added an alternative parameter to it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Just seen good justification for a bot - List of windmills in the United Kingdom! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll sort my talk page in due course. BTW, you might want to check out the lists linked from that Mjroots (talk) 21:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

• No, I don't get it. Are you telling me to look at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Smiley and if so what do I expect to see. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:01, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • I meant the lists linked from the windmills list you mentioned. (. Mjroots (talk) 22:05, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
• Get it now. Also linked from list of road junctions in the United Kingdom - plenty of work for a bot. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
  • I've put in a botreq. Mjroots (talk) 22:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
    • You'd better see WP:BOTR, question has been asked about the consensus for the request (and reading between the lines, the need for it). Mjroots (talk) 06:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
      • Thanks for your fix to Template:Infobox church. Would it be possible to add a similar field to Template:Infobox Historic Site? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:20, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
        • Done. Enjoy. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
          • Thanks. Enjoying. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, yesterday you speedy-deleted User:Moxfyre/Fuelly. I had created this article about a week ago, and then it was speedy-deleted by Ironholds under A7. I asked him to restore it to my userspace, which he did, so I could work on improving it and getting better citations. Could you please again restore this article to my userspace so I have time to work on improving it?? Moxfyre (ǝɹʎℲxoɯ | contrib) 23:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

ps- Note that recreation of deleted material is supposed to be excepted from the CSD rules. According to Wikipedia:User_page#Deletion_of_user_pages:

Moxfyre (ǝɹʎℲxoɯ | contrib) 23:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi - I'm very new here and I'm trying to create a Tony Melvin page that you deleted... I'm still working on what will go on his page but he is an author and a speaker and does deserve to have a page. please help to put this back on. Pls see this:http://www.amazon.com/Tony-Melvin/e/B004IM7ZMC/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_pop_2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blue socks 88 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

That link just shows things published by Tony Melvin. To pass the general notability guidelines you would need to give links to things published by other, independent, reliable sources that discuss Tony Melvin, his work, and his impact on his chosen field. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I wrote the article on Debo Onifade that you deleted yesterday. I added links that were all from independent international sources. I find him indeed more notable than several young Nigerians that are on wikipedia right now. I interviewed him to find out some more details about him in other to populate the page but if you find some parts unnecessary, please let me know. I just think at a young age, he has made good impact on his field of profession - which is a really exceptional thing in Africa. He has also achieved rare and notable feats in life. If you would please not mind, can you tell me specifically what I should correct in the article and give me permission to post pack. I dont want to post it back and it gets deleted again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KunleAdetoke (talk • contribs)

• My deletion of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Debo Onifade was slightly silly - you had, for some weird reason, created the article with an ((hangon)) tag on it! That tag puts the article into CAT:CSD. I have restored it but take note of Jarkeld's comments. I suggest you wait until the guy receives more media comment before you try again. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:05, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I can't see Jarkeld's comments.I asked him for specific things he wanted me to adjust but I guess he was busy and didn't respond.I can't see that you restored it. Can you please restore it on wikipedia while I will also try to add more to it later. Like I said, I just think he has done a lot more than some young Nigerians that I have seen on wikipedia in time past, and if those ones deserve some recognition, he certainly does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.166.77 (talk) 12:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• For goodness sake! I wrote above: "my deletion of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Debo Onifade …". Can you see that there is a link? The link is blue - that shows that I have restored it. Follow the link. Can you see a comment signed by Jarkeld? Did you see the words "please provide reputable, third-party sources"? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I am sorry I'm actually new to this. I will check again.--Kunle Adetoke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.166.77 (talk) 13:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I am TaraVaron and I am surprised by you deleting my page Crash ASWA. If you believe it's a hoax, it's not. American Samoa WS is only broadcasted in here. My partner from school, Sarah Liah Daniels asked permission to Simon Schuster and Tray Lord to create a Wiki page so people from Samoa could know the link in which they could see what is happening daily. They can be e-mailed. Thank you, TaraVaron (talk) 10:25, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• I am sorry, I should have changed the deletion reason to no evidence of notability. Cut out the lists of names, add more detail and, above all, add independent refs. Then re-submit via AfC. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:09, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't maintain the script any more - my bots are all on the Peachy framework these days. Sorry about that. - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 17:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Not my specialist subject but I can give it a look. What's the problem? How do you know something's gone wrong? Missing the cache is indicative of being logged in. - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 21:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh, that's definitely beyond me then. Best ask at WP:VPT. Sorry I can't be of more use. - Jarry1250 ^{[Who? Discuss.]} 22:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks anyway. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Further to my earlier query, I added [links to] several mainstream newspapers to pua training. Unfortunately because the article is deleted, I can't tell you which ones. What was wrong with my sources and, in any case, can you please return my text to me? – Thanks Darcyplant (talk) 21:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• E-mailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi! In case you haven't seen it already, I wanted to let you know about the Wikipedia Ambassador Program, and specifically the role of Online Ambassador. We're looking for friendly Wikipedians who are good at reviewing articles and giving feedback to serve as mentors for students who are assigned to write for Wikipedia in their classes.

If that sounds like you and you're interested, I encourage you to take a look at the Online Ambassador guidelines; the "mentorship process" describes roughly what will be expected of mentors during the current term, which started in January and goes through early May. If that's something you want to do, please apply!

You can find instructions for applying at WP:ONLINE.

I hope to hear from you soon.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:24, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• Applied. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I noticed you deleted the page for the Vanuatu Pacifica Foundation. This is its official website. Is there something we need to do to get the page back up? Thankyou, 68.126.189.200 (talk) 18:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• I don't talk to IP addresses. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I know well the Vanuatu Pacifica Foundation, I think it's a good (& non-private) project, so what was the matter? I mean, I saw a lack of references but maybe you could mark the page as incomplete and not close it. What do you think? --Tempo19 (talk) 21:16, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• I think you should wait until someone with no COI writes about the project. But if you can provide independent references, you could try re-submission via AfC. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:26, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

The article YoVille is create protected by you. This yoville was first of zynga's -Ville series [3] that are ruling facebook applications. After hugely popular farmville the recent cityville is latest addition to this series. YoVille was initially developed by independent devs and acquired by Zynga in 2008 [4] [5], zynga said "largest virtual world game on social networks." It is popular till date with 6 million users monthly [6]. I think this being the first and has a new item of best acquisition of zynga is indeed wp:notable. I can write this article if you unprotect it. Regards, Avoided blue (talk) 06:00, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• Create a draft in User:Avoided blue/sandbox and submit it via AfC. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:07, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I have used tool once OK but now get error `TUSC verification failed` any ideas? Regards --palmiped |  Talk  20:24, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• Possibly forgotten a password. Just get yourself a new TUSC login - you can do it as often as you like. Ignore the bit about "NOT your Commons password!" - it too confusing to have different ones - when you register for TUSC, use your normal Wikipedia password. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:41, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

The move discussion has been renewed. Please feel free to comment on the talk page. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I do not understand why you are inserting spaces in to OS references. If you must space them then you should be using non-breaking spaces as you get wrapping otherwise. Keith D (talk) 16:20, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

• You are inconsistent: you have left three grid refs at the bottom of River Itchen, Warwickshire with spaces still in place. Surely displaying grid refs with spaces is uncontroversial - they are more readable. See this list especially the churches. Why have several editors gone to the trouble of using ((oscoor)) rather than ((gbmappingsmall))? Because they prefer grid refs with spaces. I think it would be unreasonable to ask editors to write grid refs using   The best solution would be a change to template:OS coord. It wraps (({1))} with urlencode. In just the same way, it could wrap (({2))} with a function to convert spaces to non-breaking ones. I suggest you ask at WP:VPT - the function may well exist. Otherwise, ask the developers - clearly it would have wider application than just grid refs. And while you are about it, you should request that ISBNs be displayed using  . Try: ISBN 0 12 345678 9. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I was not looking at the bottom of the article but the main text which the change caused it to wrap in the OS reference. I assumed that it was used consistently throughout. This was the first article that I had come across with spaces in the grid reference. I have not investigated the differences between ((oscoor)) and ((gbmappingsmall)) they appear to do similar things, may be one is redundant? I agree that ISBNs should also not wrap, there is also a problem with the ((convert)) template, which I raised yesterday, where sometimes it outputs non-breaking spaces and in others does not. Keith D (talk) 23:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

• Obviously, oscoor, or rather OS_coord and gbmappingsmall are quite different and both are needed. Coord is another that needs nbsp. Gosh, convert looks like a nightmare - glad I'm not involved! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:14, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Since you live in the UK, you may not be aware of the prominence of high school basketball in the US state of Indiana. I recently began an article about James Blackmon, Jr..

Jlhcpa (talk) 17:17, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

• There is no need to be so long winded and do not SHOUT. Ensure that you have links pointing to genuinely reliable sources and re-submit via AfC. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Would you please be so kind as to restore the previous text to User:Jlhcpa/sandbox/James Blackmon, Jr.. That prior work is useful to me as I update the text to make it acceptable for publishing. Thank you. Jlhcpa (talk) 01:30, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Text e-mailed. Before you go to AfC, ask Travelbird (talk · contribs) - they applied the speedy tag to the article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for e-mailing me the prior text of this article. And I apologize for getting windy on your talk page. As you pointed out, it is Travelbird (talk · contribs) who originally placed the tag. I will consider having him evaluate any revised articles before I repost them. Jlhcpa (talk) 17:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I'm quite new to this but I will state my case for inclusion of the Bradford Dragons on Wikipedia. firstly many of the other teams in the english basketball league have entries, many not as long as my entry. secondary i followed very closely what had been written about similar basketball teams the manchester magic and leeds carnegie. this entry was only meant to give the public similar information as on other teams and does not contain bias towards them. Bradford dragons also attract crowds upwards of 200 many more than similar clubs who have a page on wikipedia. If Bradford Dragons aren't deemed worthy of a page then surely other basketball teams with less popularity and interest around the country must also be deleted. as well as this they are worthy of a mention both on the English Basketball League page and the City of Bradford Page. talk ( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elsy1990 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• The article was too stubby and contained absolutely no independent external links. I have restored it to User:Elsy1990/sandbox. Follow the advice of Armbrust. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:16, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

See this discussion.

• Given your user name, we would like to know your relationship to Burl S. Watson. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

You will have to forgive my lack of understanding on linking articles. It is not easy to jump into something like this with no experience. I have tried to do add some items to the article to fit the standards of Wikipedia. What do you think of the article now? I believe my degree in Social Studies Education gives me a better understanding of the historical appropriateness of an article than some random person. Regardless, apparently Wikipedia is run far differently than I would have expected. Let me know what you think. Honestly, I am not even aware of how to resubmit this article. - TomWatsonB

• Pleasing to find my advice being followed for once. User:TomWatsonB/BurlWatson looks fine now. How to resubmit? Simply move your draft to Burl S. Watson! At the top of every page just to the right of "View history" and the "watch this page" star, you should see a pull-down list - a bit silly 'cos for you it only has one entry: "Move". See also Help:How to move a page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I tried to change the name to Burl S. Watson of the title, but it seems to not be working, somehow. It's annoying because the title is "BurlWatson", with no space between the first and last name. TomWatsonB —Preceding undated comment added 06:57, 8 February 2011 (UTC).

• Rename done - it did require admin rights. Excellent. What we need now is: action on the ((orphan)) tag and a photo. Come on admit it: you are a grandson or similar - it is COI but not serious enough to annoy me. So a picture from the family album? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Although I respect your deletion of my page on "Rudi Tas" I would like to point out that you should have at least had the courtesy to look at the discussion page for my extended argument why it should have been postponed. The copyright violation rested only on the question if the information was allowed to be altered (the copyright holders already specified that it may be used, if credited), an answer from the copyright holders was pending and information included already on the page was not copyrighted (consisting of biographical information and plain lists of works & prizes, things that are uncopyrightable) save for a paragraph on style - which you could have deleted solely solving the problem just as well. Or at least you could have notified me so that I could save the darn thing on my userpage (in hindsight a naive thing to forget). I'm a tad disquieted right now, as information on Flemish composers is too scarce on Wikipedia and I will have to recreate the stupid thing again as a stub (making sure not too violate copyright rules by only mentioning biographical details). I'm really not easily accustomed to the English Wikipedia's strictness, coming from the Dutch one. I have learned from my article on "Thierry Lang" the importance of being sourced from the first words you place, and now I'm learning the peculiar oddity of copyright according to Wikipedia (who would have known you can copyright terms describing the quality of music, a list containing the names of the works by a composer, a list of his prizes and basic biographical information). I'm being cynical and childish, I do confess. But really, wasn't it a bit rash? Just a teensy, tiny bit?GodowskyIsDead (talk) 19:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I would like to add that a conversation with the user "Travelbird" (who applied the speedy deletion tag), was ongoing on the talk page.GodowskyIsDead (talk) 19:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• All you needed to say was "please e-mail me the text" but read this. Once the licence position is resolved, you can re-post it. Yes, some other language wikis are hopelessly lax - gd: has hundreds (literally) of images which would not survive here for more than a day because of the lack of source and licence info. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:28, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Haha, I like the fact you have a page called "moans". Guilty as charged. So here goes: "please e-mail me the text to the article on Rudi Tas". In the mean time I will create a page about him containing only the lists with prizes & works and his name, date of birth and profession (all of which, I presume, are of course uncopyrightable bits of information). I will ad the paragraph on his "style" if the aforementioned licence issue is solved. All in all this seems to be more easy than requesting an undeletion for an article that, as I hopefully sufficiently proved before, really only had problems concerning one paragraph.GodowskyIsDead (talk) 20:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

We seem to have had an edit conflict on this page; if you want to delete my version as a G6 feel free. Regards! VQuakr (talk) 20:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

As a reply to RHaworth: I seem to have created quite the nuisance here, I do apologize. Just for further reference I would like to know if I'm correct in saying that Wikipedia regards a list, if copied verbatim, as copyright violation (which I find an intuitively odd concept, as it would enable one to "hijack" a summation of works or prizes by creating a copyrighted article. So by extending this thought: if one would occupy oneself with creating every possible combination of "mentionings" of works, one would make it a copyright violation to mention any set of works containing more than one work. Hypothetically).

Also, finding more than one source will be quite hard for some Flemish composers, including Rudi Tas. In general there are a lot of Belgian musicians that are notable enough if one views there accomplished prizes, but often the only sources of information are Flanders Music Centre, CeBeDeM and MATRIX, who have a tendency to use the same text on composers (containing peacock terms as a surplus, they are subsidized documentation centres, but also have a function as promotors of Flemish classical music), written by one musicologist. On Rudi Tas I only found this curriculum (in Dutch): http://home.scarlet.be/~rt029164/geschriften/curiculum.pdf The text further contains a mention of the author, nothing else. I find it saddening that the Flemish "kerktorenmentaliteit" (church tower mentality) is potentially marring the ability to Wikify their persons due to lack of sources.

But just listen how beautiful the music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_suD2GJ36I (1'44" till end, video provided by his music publisher). I'll go play in my sandbox now. GodowskyIsDead (talk) 20:47, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

• I agree that copying of a pure list is probably not a copyright violation. But it can be a WIkipedia style violation - do we need an referenced list of accolades? No. Instead, you state that "he has received the European AGEC prize and several other awards" and provide a link to the full list. Obviously, mention the most prestigious accolade and provide a wikilink to the article about that accolade - if it ain't got a Wikipedia article then it is not worth mentioning! Similarly for his works: give examples of each type and link to the full list. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Will do. GodowskyIsDead (talk) 22:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I've noticed a couple of edits you have made (such as Barnards Green) titled "(avoid oscoor)". However, you do not remove the template, but simply reformat it. As part of this, you add digits to the grid ref. What are you doing, and why are you increasing the specificity of the grid ref? Not saying you're wrong, just trying to understand what you're doing. GyroMagician (talk) 12:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

• "Avoid" does not imply remove! Template:oscoor is now a redirect but almost without exception (see list), rather than simply replace oscoor with OS coord, it is better to use a simpler template requiring only one parameter. As to precision, I frequently reduce the precision from a spurious "ten figure" (1 metre!) precision to "six figure" like this. Barnards Green is one of the few cases where I have increased the precision from four figure to six figure. I changed it not for precision reasons but for accuracy - it was 1 km too far west! If you want to revert it to SO 78 45, feel free. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Why did you delete the page for the band The Cantstanjas. I know that you noted they have no historical significance, but if your up and coming, how can you make history unless your allowed to MAKE HISTORY. There are many fans in the Boston area that follow this band that would be interested in how the band was formed as well as key notes on pivotal events for the band as they happen. They were not trying to be sensationalist like you would find on Myspace or Facebook, but were trying to offer an informative page on a recognized website to help people get familiar with the make up and history of said group. Please reconsider your position on this matter as I think there are many fans that are being robbed of their right to this page. 65.175.248.143 (talk) 01:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC) James Cochrane

• You do not make history on Wikipedia; you do it on the band's own website. That is where fans find the info. When the band becomes notable, someone with no COI will write about it here. Please learn the difference between your and you're. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 01:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of EUROAVIA. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Burki1907 (talk) 13:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I have edited the page EUROAVIA and I think it's ready to be undeleted now. You may notice that the section "History" is missing some citations but in the following days I believe this problem will be resolved. You can check the edited page in my sandbox page User:Burki1907/sandbox. I also added the page in the deletion review article in February 7th. Thank you for your concern.

Hi Roger. You deleted higher institute of business administration under A7. A7 actually doesn't apply to schools. It might have been an inadvertent mistake. I request you to kindly restore the material in case there are no other issues. My kind regards. Wifione _....... ^{Leave a message} 11:23, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

• Why use an external link for a Wikipedia article? Of course it was not inadvertent - the article was simply too stubby. I have restored it to User:Zennix/sandbox. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Sorry for the trouble. Best. Wifione _....... ^{Leave a message} 12:03, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I notice that you deleted this, and yet it is still there. Can you explain? Did I screw up in some way? Wwwhatsup (talk) 03:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

• And do you see beneath it: "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. ". — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)