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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cosmic entity (DC Comics)[edit]
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Inadequate sourcing to meet the WP:GNG. A search does not reveal any meaningful coverage other than WP:PLOT summaries which are WP:NOT sufficient for an encyclopedic article. Jontesta (talk) 16:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- for odd reasons to do with the number of books written about the respective universes and Marveks cosmic characters often being tied to some big personalities that work there I suspect that one might be a lot easier to source. Artw (talk) 23:51, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Artw: Could you clarify your point here? Also, wouldn't BD2412's proposal violate WP:SYNTH? Either way, we will need specific reliable, secondary sources that provide significant commentary (not just plot summary) about Marvel or DC cosmic entities, or cosmic entities in general fiction. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:07, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- just that the way forwards on that article is much clearer than the way forwards on this one due to the existence of Marvel: The Untold Story et al. And I guess that combining them might not be too helpful as you’d have a bunch of unsourced material on one subject and sourced material on another - probably better to just try and source the two of them independently and then think about if any kind of merge makes sense. Artw (talk) 00:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @LaundryPizza03 and Artw: it would be WP:SYNTH if there were no source discussing cosmic entities across different fictional universes, but here is Alan Kistler, "Censorship warped how DC and Marvel dealt with Heaven, Hell, and Jesus", Polygon (April 12, 2020), describing how cosmic entities throughout the comic book franchises were developed in response to rules established by the Comics Code Authority prohibiting direct mention of God (and comparable religious figures). BD2412 T 00:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - The article looks like possible WP:OR to me. I couldn't find any good quality sources on this subject. I don't think the Polygon source really helps much. Please ping me if good quality sources are identified. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:39, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs). This article is unsourced and does not even prove that this is a coherent topic, and neither does the Polygon piece. I notice, for example, that Bat-Mite (a character who uses the fifth dimension to do annoying pranks) is completely different from Starro (a giant, starfish-like alien conqueror). Seeing that the lone source at Cosmic entity (Marvel Comics) has a similar problem, I will open a separate AfD shortly if nobody objects. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:15, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Hard-to-define concept that fails WP:OR and WP:GNG. Entity or being, btw? (https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Cosmic_Beings). Anyway, that kind of stuff belongs on fanwikis, unless significance outside the fictional universe can be shown, which does not appear to be the case here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:25, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - No valid reliable sources that even concretely define the concept, which makes the whole list largely WP:OR. Rorshacma (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This is a perfectly valid list article, aids in navigation, links to related articles. WP:LISTPURP. Category:DC Comics cosmic entities exist. Anything that shouldn't be on the list or that doesn't have an article linked to, can be removed through normal editing procedures. Dream Focus 18:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Dream Focus 18:25, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As fancruft that fails WP:GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a topic that doesn't meet the WP:GNG, due to a lack of reliable independent sources. This appears to be WP:OR and the idea of a "Cosmic entity" might be a fan invention. The merge proposal is taken in good faith, but it would make the WP:OR worse as we would be drawing original comparisons that haven't been made by independent sources. Shooterwalker (talk) 14:21, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Lack of reliable secondary SIGCOV. LISTN is a failure, but even treating it as a non-list, it's a GNG failure. -- ferret (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. Dronebogus (talk) 03:48, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The list is a long piece of original research and none of the content is sourced. I'm also not able to find WP:SIGCOV of this topic, so it's neither notable nor in line with WP:NOT. I don't see a natural redirect target, so I think that deletion is probably the best way to go. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 05:54, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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