The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. As an aside, "delete and merge" is not a valid vote (you cannot do both, due to GFDL). But this is keep following the cleanup. Neil (►) 11:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First time buyer

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Contested prod. This article is a mess of weasel words ("Many industry experts"), original research ("In the UK home ownership is seen as both desirable and essential, as a natural step in the life cycle") and unsourced statements, and discusses a concept which obviously exists in every country in the world solely as it relates to the UK. Deleting the OR would leave a single one-line dicdef which would be so tautological as to be pointless ("A first time buyer is someone buying something for the first time"). — iridescenti (talk to me!) 16:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I seem to spend half my life carting to the recycle bin newspapers containing all the material needed to reference this so-called "original research" and "weasel words" (if anyone had been quoted, that would have been advertising I suppose). Clearly needs referencing and expanding, and perhaps globalising, but no need to delete. Johnbod 16:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I think this is a case of WP:FIXIT and not for deletion.--Vintagekits 16:31, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep-Just because the context of articles are a mess, doesn't mean they should be deleted, on wikipedia we can always improve things. Alphablast 16:57, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and cleanup + add sources. It is such a common term that it clearly deserves an article and sources should be able to be found. Davewild 16:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This article seems to imply that "first time buyers" applies exclusively to UK (and/or exclusively to homeowners). Weasle/attribution problems push my vote over to delete. /Blaxthos 17:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In the UK the term is normally used referring exclusively to homeowners, so that is not a criticism but rather the point of the article. Whether there are similar conditions, or use of a comparable term, in other countries, I don't know. Johnbod 18:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. There isn't enough substance here to warrant an article. --Metropolitan90 17:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the article has just been fully referenced (not by me). Johnbod 18:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

keep cited sourcs establish notability, although in wish this could be merged into an appropraite larger article. BTW the term is also used in the US, so that should be mentioned. 19:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Weak Keep needs to be expanded. JJL 21:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but expand to give world wide view. Regan123 10:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but expand it. Holla4Allah 18:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge usable content to Residential property market in the United Kingdom. Per nom essentially a dicdef with OR and "wessel words.--Dakota 17:35, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how you say that when they have all now been referenced (since the nom) to the relevant weasels! Johnbod 20:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per recent expansions and references. The weasels are gone now, but nobody said anything about otters, so I guess that means I can stay... Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 23:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As Dakota suggests, perhaps what little information there is of substance here could be merged into a more suitable article, but otherwise the best solution would be have something like List of terms relating to the British property market, in which "First Time Buyer" would hae a sentence or two devoted to it at best. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 20:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, we already have UK mortgage terminology. Delete and Merge there. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 20:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.