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The result was no consensus. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 13:33, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Francesca Cruz

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Non-notable individual. Previous version of the article claimed that subject won SAG award as part of best cast for Birdcage but that simply is false as the award lists the specific cast members who are its recipients. ^Bongo_matic 17:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:46, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Googling seems to return info on a few different Francesca Cruzes. Not sure if this is the same one who's married to Eduardo Yáñez[1] and it's probably not the one who murdered her landlady in 1996. But none of them are really notable. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:42, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No evidence of notability. No independent reliable sources. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:36, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In Hispanic culture she is a notable individual. I'm working on adding all of the references. I just added the Rick Martin Interview Reference^[1] I also added La Feria de la Alegria^[2] Reference. YouknowZACK (talk) 05:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Youtube is not a reliable source and can't be used to establish notability. ^Bongo_matic 01:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube videos are a reliable source based on this Video Wikipedia Guideline.YouknowZACK (talk) 02:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bongomatic, I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything. Let me know if I'm missing something about the guideline. Just getting my feet wet here.YouknowZACK (talk) 20:58, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Francesca Cruz seems to be a notable individual based on this Entertainer Notability Wikipedia Guideline Actors, voice actors, comedians, opinion makers, models, and celebrities: 1. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

Francesca Cruz had lead roles in both Onda Max where she was co-host for 2 years & 3 years as entertainment reporter on Telemundo's news show Ocurrio Asi. The only place those episodes still exist are YouTube. A Google search will show many episodes with her in the leading role in each. These are not "self-created" as mentioned to look out for in the guideline for referencing Youtube videos. These were produced by Telemundo & Univision. The 2 biggest networks for the Hispanic market in the world.^[3] ^[4] YouknowZACK (talk) 02:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

YouknowZACK, you have already said "keep". Don't do it twice. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:55, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No problem JamesBWatson. Wasn't sure if I was suppose to do that or not each time I make an entry here.YouknowZACK (talk) 20:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B music ian 05:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes our WP:ENT guideline. That said, the article needs cleanup. Cavarrone (talk) 06:00, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning Francesca Cruz's SAG award. She received the award, however I see that only a few of the Bird Cage cast members are listed here: the award I called the Screen Actors Guild in L.A. & New York for an explanation as to why only certain cast members are listed. They were aware of the award but couldn't give me a clear explanation at the time and said they will be getting back to me. I spoke to a reporter, Nathaniel, at The Film Experience who said he thinks is a commemorative award given to all SAG members that participated in the film. It's still unclear so I'll be following up next week and will try to find a solid reference.YouknowZACK (talk) 23:08, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok - I verified that Francesca Cruz did receive the Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by a Cast in a Motion Picture. The reason only a few of the cast members are listed here the award is because the SAG rules state "Motion Picture casts shall be represented by those actors billed on separate cards in the main titles." The difference is that the actors that represent the cast will receive a statue award while the other cast members will receive a certificate award. YouknowZACK (talk) 00:03, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable that Wikipedia should follow SAG's criteria for who is deemed a significant recipient of the award. ^Bongo_matic 01:57, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. That award sounds notable. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 08:14, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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