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The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gray magic[edit]

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This had originally been included in a malformed nomination along with Gray witch. Due to the problems with the first discussion I have closed it and renominated both articles. The original complaint is that this may fail WP:OR. Please see the original nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gray witch Shereth 22:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment- I'm not going to vote here, I just want to mention something in passing. I have adopted the original author of the material, User:Condalence, userfied both Gray Witch and Gray Magic (although I think the end product will probably be a merger of the two), and we are slowly working on finding reliable sources and improving the articles themselves. L'Aqùatique[review] 23:27, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment- The article as it stands hasn't cited any sources, and is poorly written. However the term 'grey magic' is actually quite interesting and worth an article. The expression is commonly given two rather different meanings, both of which have interesting ethical ramifications, and a number of reputable authors have expressed differing views on the subject. Unlike some of the other terms the article's creator has suggested, (orange magic, blue magic, etc.), grey magic is actually widely discussed amongst occultists. I don't have a heap of time to devote to this article, but I've been scouting around for sources and have already found several. I believe with some work it could be worth keeping. Fuzzypeg★ 10:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep source and expand. Although I doubt this is discussed amongst "serious" occultists. More like wiccans and pagans. Regardless, its subject to multiple publications by notable neo-pagan authors (whom I question their integrity, yet have authored many books no doubt). — _Maggot^Syn 10:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hrmph. So Wiccans aren't "serious"? I've been in ritual with a fair few ceremonial magicians, including OTO, A:.A:. and all that carry-on, as well as Haitian Vodou, even some members of the last Stella Matutina temple. And on the 'serious' scale, Wicca still seems pretty near the top. Maybe you mean 'Eclectic Wicca'... And I'm sure I remember gray magic being mentioned by some of these people. Sorry, a bit off-topic, but I don't like being told I'm a namby-pamby. Fuzzypeg★ 22:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep for Now Since L'Aqùatique seems to be pushing for the creator to work on it some more, I believe this article may become acceptable in the future. If in a few months it isn't, then I believe we should delete it.--SJP (talk) 01:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• keep; Gray magic is just a performing design of art mix with black and white paints. i do see some sources.--Freewayguy ^{Msg USC} 23:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.