The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was broken beyond repair. The page had been moved to an non-existent userpage; to clean all of this mess up, the page has been moved to a user subpage of the creator, and the four or so redirects along the way have been tagged for speedy deletion. As it is now a user subpage, it is pointless to continue this discussion here. If you want to nominate the user subpage for deletion, you may do so at MfD. Instead, I advise that we educate our creator how she can improve that would-be article to a status worthy of Wikipedia. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 05:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Haruko Lisa Haruhara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

I'm not really sure what this is; it's pretty confusing, but it seems to be some kind of vanity article presented as fiction, created by a user with the same name as the article. Masamage 03:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, I will make note of this article more clearly on what it's about. This is a tribute to Haruko. Please do not remove this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haruko Lisa Haruhara (talk • contribs)
  • Please sign your comments by typing four tildes (~). The actress for Haruko from FLCL was Mayumi Shintani, and the actress for Chibiusa from Sailor Moon was Kae Araki, so I am confused in general. --Masamage 03:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • As I'm aware of this, this is not about the voice actor/actress. However, voice acter/actress name will be added as a part of improving this article. Please give me 24 hours improve the whole article. Any suggestions from you will be very much appreciated before editing/fixing. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haruko Lisa Haruhara (talk • contribs)
      • Like all AFDs, this discussion will go on for about a week. --Masamage 03:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Fictional biography of a fictional person who played other fictional persons... no wonder the poor nominator was confused :) ◄Zahakiel► 04:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, article updated! Please go to Haruko Lisa Haruhara to read updated version. This should clear up most of the confusion. Please notify if any confusion spots that need to be explain in the article in more detail. Thanks. Updated as of March 23rd, 2007 at 10:22 PM PDT Haruko 05:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, please sign your comments by typing four tildes (~). --Masamage 05:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And never remove or edit other people's comments, even when you have taken care of their concerns. --Masamage 06:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I think it's good that someone did a great job on making a fictional article. Whoever did this, also stated the names of the voice actors/actresses and developers. He/she also said to give them credit. I think it's very creative! I can understand what the objective of this article is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.231.22 (talk • contribs)
  • Please note that this anonymous user has just spent the evening adding nonsense to the Characters of FLCL article. --Masamage 06:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Do anon contributions count towards AfD's? UnfriendlyFire 05:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - The lead pretty much sums it up: an article based on creativity. Fails WP:NOR and WP:MADEUP. UnfriendlyFire 05:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I see were you are coming from. He/she may have did some editing to an exsiting article, however, I do not know what addtional info was added to that existing article, so I cannot not personally call it non-sense, whoever did that. As of this debate in this created article, I can see some work put into it and he/she is not calling it his/her own. If you go to "references" section in the article, you can see the names of the real people that drew the fictional people and the voice actors/actress as well. Due to the information I see in the article stating to the public that this is all fictional and is trying to explain the detail about it to the best of his/hers ability, I would say, keep the article. Lets give this one a chance and see what happens once this debate is closed. Lets see if this person abuses his/hers privilege of making an fictional article, offical on this site to it's own category. But, hey, this is my personal comment regarding this. Many of you may see it differently than I. ChrisRB 06:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  Please note that this is this user's only edit. --Masamage 06:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment - So are you saying the user that made up the article is doing edits to everyone else's comments based off this? ChrisRB 06:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm only pointing out that you're new. The administrators who make the judgment on these discussions may or may not decide to take it into account; sometimes only established users' votes are counted. That's policy. --Masamage 06:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  I see. And by what means is established mean? Does it go by how long have you been with the site? ChrisRB 06:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not an admin, but I think it is left up to their individual discretion according to the person's edit history and past contributions. --Masamage 06:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  I mean, I can see this user has to be a big fan of FLCL. I give whoever credit on the possible time that was spent, but I can see why this should be deleted, or should it? I'm more of a computer guy, so I'm not good and making calls on this. I only go by My own personal actions. When was this article made anyways? I've been on this site before and I know what show Haruko is from, but the info provided on ths new article is not true? or is it? I guess I'll just have to search for sources to answer my question. Anyway, I know this is maybe out of topic, but can I use HTML and Java code to build my page? ChrisRB 06:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  This particular article, as it says at the top, is not true. Visit the Welcome page for detailed info on using Wikipedia. --Masamage 06:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The opening sentence says, This is a fictional article. Huh? Why is it on Wikipedia, then? Realkyhick 06:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• I don't get it. I see cartoon people on wiki, and their fictional. Is this article the same? I mean, please explain the two differences. ChrisRB 06:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Please read the notability guidelines, especially the one about fiction: "Wikipedia articles on works of fiction should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance." The subject of this article has no real-world historical significance. --Masamage 06:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I see. Now, I have another question. Lets say I'm doing a project that has been copyright by me, and I want to make an article about it. Can I do so without it be in the same shoes as this article I'm seeing now? I will not bug any of you anymore for such info, lol. As for the fictional deal, I see now. So this fictionl character maybe getting deleted due to the fact of it not being his own character profile and 2. Because this character is an FLCL character, yet different profile, it will be deleted casue of it. ChrisRB 07:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  It's generally frowned-upon to make an article about something you created because of the inherent conflict of interest. If what you made is famous enough to merit an article, someone else will eventually write one for you. And no, this article is up for deletion for reasons that have nothing to do with copyright or ownership. It's more because it is about a fictional creation that is not famous or influential in the grand scheme of things. FLCL gets an article because it is important and well-known. This actress-character is not. It seems shallow, I know, but that's how the policy works. Wikipedia is a big thing and there have to be some qualifications about what gets in, otherwise everybody and their imaginary friend would have an article, and it would be impossible to find any solid information. --Masamage 07:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• What in God's name is this junk? Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. JuJube 08:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Like I said earlier, it's just a major fan more likely. ChrisRB 08:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, 99.999% of fanfiction is not notable and this is no exception. --Kunzite 16:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Delete: Non-notable and admittedly a vanity piece ("tribute to Haruko" - see above) by creator (who, coincidentally, shares same name).Jill Teed 17:19, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - It's now been moved into a nonstandard userspace, leaving behind double redirects. --Masamage 21:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note The author moved the article to various locations. It's at User:Haruko Lisa Haruhara1 now. JuJube 22:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete what is left-- a redirect to a redirect to a page in userspace. Leave the userspace page alone. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 04:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• The userspace should probably at least be moved. Right now it's the main page of a user that doesn't exist. --Masamage 04:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Move the main page of the user that doesn't exist to a user subpage of the article author, but make sure the article author knows what's going on when this happens so this isn't repeated. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 04:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• I'll help by moving it to said user page and tagging the redirects for speedy deletion. Once that's done, I'll close this discussion as "broken beyond repair." Sound good? —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 04:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.