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The result was redirect to Workaholic. As the article is currently a single sentence, a merge didn't seem necessary. However, that sentence is still available in the edit history of the article, so feel free to use it. ‑Scottywong| speak _ 02:02, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Apparently non-notable WP:NEOLOGISM. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete There are two sources: . The Forbes column does use the term in the headline, and uses it twice more. (I uses just "hustle" 5 times more.). This would seem to be the actual source for the phrase, because it does explicitly propose it as a neologism: "It seems that everywhere I go, people are suffering from the “hustle culture” pandemic. By hustle culture, I mean the collective urge we currently seem to feel as a society to work harder, stronger, faster." That a Forbes writer proposed the phrase, does not mean it is widely used. The earlier NYT column uses the phrase in a very general sense , twice only in a article that uses the general term hustle by itself 8 times. It doesn't say or indicate or imply that the phrase is a standard descriptor. Looking elsewhere on google, it seems to be used in a general way, as people might say "workout culture", "office culture" , "New York culture" (we have an article Culture of New York City, which is an example the general use of the word "culture" in non-specific unfixed combinations. We have, for example , a redirect from Food culture to the actual article title Sociology of food . Possibly it might become a standard phrase, but most similar terminology has not. DGG ( talk ) 18:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, the article is currently very short, and scholarly sources are in short supply, but there are better ones than those given, and far more of a similar quality. It's not a neologism, though many of the older sources discuss the concept not in the context of Silicon Valley tech companies as the newer ones do, but in the context of Surinamese immigrants to the Netherlands; see for example this 2012 book (p. 182) referring to an earlier work on the topic from 2001. Here is an in-depth profile on "hustle culture" in advertising predating the Forbes piece, and the term is very widely written about in news media, e.g. Wall Street Journal. There has been a significant rise in use of the term since the essay in the New York Times (which also predates Forbes, by the way), but older uses exist, and "it has become more popular recently" is no reason to not have an article. Rather, that was probably the reason behind writing the article now, instead of last year. Huon (talk) 21:10, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge There are many equivalent phrases, going back millenia: "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise". The best target appears to be work ethic. Andrew D. (talk) 14:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect Not seeing how this is different from Workaholic, and there's nothing there to merge except "the term hustle culture is a thing that exists". Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:12, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Workaholic, as the two terms appear to be largely synonymous. A brief mention of the term, as well as the sources being used here that mention it, can be added to that article if needed. Rorshacma (talk) 15:44, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- "Workaholic" is a quasi-medical and derogatory framing in which the work is seen as dysfunctional – addictive or compulsive busywork. Even when they have "made it", the workaholic will keep working. Andrew D. (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but that is what the article, and most of the sources, seem to be describing. Pretty much all of the sources, both in the article and found in this AFD, are describing "hustle culture" as dysfunctional, with one of the sources being used in the article (the Times article) even using the term "workaholism" to describe hustle culture. Hence why I suggested that as the redirect/merge target. To be fair, I can see how work ethic could also be a valid target, and would not have any objection if that is what is decided, but based on the sources, I still think Workaholic to be more appropriate.Rorshacma (talk) 16:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect as above. I'm not sure there's enough material here for anything to merge. Reyk YO! 17:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep this, or Merge, as those who have commented on the matter above have suggested. StewBrewer (talk) 14:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Chilling (talk) 18:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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