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The result was redirect to The Pickup Artist (TV series). Overall consensus here seems to be that, while this person has received some coverage, it is all in the context of the TV show: insufficient notability has been demonstrated for a separate article. ~ mazcatalk06:51, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment but leaning towards delete Delete - I ran out of time and so will just document where I'm at.
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From media page on the subject's web site - Radio Interview by Johnny B. (Jonathon Brandmeie) - undated - Unable to verify if this is independent RS coverage.
From media page - Scott and Pam Radio Show - undated but uploaded to YouTube on March 07, 2008 - Unable to verify if this is independent RS coverage.
The top of the media page has icons for BusinessWeek, and the New York Times meaning we should at least find those. (reminder to self to look for these)
galegroup.com search for JDOG gets 0 magazines, 0 academic journals, 0 books, 0 multimedia, and 13 news (all for other JDOGs as it's the stock symbol for John D. Oil and Gas Company, "Joint Detention Operation Group," and the "handle" used by a couple of unrelated people.)
galegroup.com search for "J-DOG" gets 0 magazines, 0 academic journals, 0 books, 0 multimedia, and 10 news. Most of the news hits are for things like "cityname, N.J. dog show". One article covers the subject:
OC Register Saturday, August 4, 2007 - Appears to be a press release.
Internet Wire (August 14, 2007) which got the article from Comtex, Los Angeles, CA (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) (511 words) This is available on line at News Blaze This is likely a press release given its source, there is no author/byline, and it ends with "For more information and/or to interview J Dog, please contact Eileen Koch @ Eileen Koch & Company ..."
The AfD subject shares the name Justin Marks with
A Hollywood script writer.
Justin Marks who is a race car driver whose article likely should be AfDed.
An award winning poet who has the collection A Million in Prizes Published by Western Michigan University, 1903 W. Michigan Ave., Kalamazoo, MI 49008, ISBN9781930974814, $15.00, www.wmich.edu .
A possibly notable baseball player from University of Louisville and drafted (92nd overall selection) by the Oakland A's in June 2009.
A democratic candidate for the California State Assembly in early 2004.
A galegroup.com search for "Justin Marks" gets 12 magazine (nearly all for the screenwriter and zero for the AfD subject), 0 academic journals, 0 books, 0 multimedia, and 36 news (nearly all for the baseball player, a few for the screen writer (in Spanish media), and zero for the AfD subject).
The JDOG article references Strauss, Neil (2005). The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists. ReganBooks. ISBN0-06-055473-8. This needs follow-up.
In the previous round I had been using my local library database. This time I used the Google Scholar, Books, and News links at the top of this AfD to look for evidence of notability.
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Google Scholar for "J-DOG" seduction gets 10 hits with none related to the subject. (using J-DOG along resulted in 1020 hits because of canine related articles)
This is for the book The Bedside Guide to No Tell Motel - Second Floor By Molly Arden, Reb Livingston. Three references to Justin Marks but this turns out to be a poet living in New York city.
press release about J-Dog on "The Pick-Up Artist". This not qualify the subject for WP:N as it's not independent of the subject.
Single Shot: Is 'The Game' reduced to target and ambush? - Covers "The Pick Up Artist" and trivial mention of J-DOG. "But the real question -- at least for Mystery, the show's host, and Matador and J Dog, his two loyal hench ... er ... wingmen -- is not whether women like these guys but whether they'll sleep with them."
highbeam this is a copy of Single Shot: Is 'The Game' reduced to target and ambush?
The artful seducer Covers "Mystery" and "The Pick Up Artist". Trivial mention of J-DOG "There, with the help of his wingmen, Matador and J Dog, Mystery plans to fix the luck of a 45-year-old virgin and seven other hapless Don Juans."
Matador offers Elis pick-up tips Covers Matador, the other wing on "The Pick Up Artist." Trivial mention of J-DOG "Mystery and his “faithful wingmen,” Matador and J Dog, educate and evaluate the competitors."
Single Files: You, too, can be a pickup artist Covers Mystery and a little bit of "The Pick Up Artist." Trivial mention of J-DOG "Mystery, whose real name is Erik von Markovik, brings his techniques to television with two of his successful proteges, Matador and J-Dog."
VH1 Has Solved The "MYSTERY" Press release - Covers Mystery and "The Pick-Up Artist." Trivial mention of J-DOG "On "The Pick-Up Artist," MYSTERY, flanked by MATADOR and J Dog (two pick-up pros) steer the group of eight competing "loveable losers" into the fast lane of fast talk and seduction on this VH1 success!"
Tamdan McCrory a hopeful for VH1 show "Pickup Artist 2" About a boxer who wants to be on "The Pickup Artist." Trivial mention of J-DOG. "They were trained in the art of the "pickup" by seduction artist Mystery (Erik von Markovik) with help from wingmen J-Dog and Matador."
The Pick-Up Artist Show bio for "Pickup Artist." Trivial mention of J-DOG. "Along with wingmen Matador and J Dog, Mystery will teach contestants the Mystery Method of turning on the charm to make any dream woman into a reality."
A Look Back at The First Season of 'The Pickup Artist,' Covers "The Pickup Artist." Trivial mention of J-DOG. "Mystery, a well-known figure in the seduction community, and his wingmen, Matador and J Dog, gave the guys new looks, taught them the best tricks of the trade and subjected them to several tests, including “bouncing” a woman, picking out lingerie, and kissing Tara, one of Mystery's wingwomen."
Learn the Art of Attraction on 'The Pickup Artist' Covers "The Pickup Artist."Trivial mention of J-DOG. "With the guidance of Mystery, best-selling author and nerd turned expert pickup artist, and his wingmen Matador and J Dog, participants attempt to turn the women of their dreams into the women of their reality through a rigorous boot camp."
Summary - Unable to find any evidence of notability. I commented on the lack of WP:ENT potential below. Decision changed from Comment but leaning towards delete to Delete. --Marc Kupper|talk09:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
response to both of the Strong keeps. I agree that the nominator's motives appear suspicious but I personally don't care as it does not influence the notability (or lack of) for JDOG who is the subject of this AfD. Being "one of the main guys on a VH1 show" is not a notable point per WP:N or WP:PEOPLE. So far, JDOG is appearing to be less notable per WP:N than Alan Roger Currie. --Marc Kupper|talk20:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you check out WP:PEOPLE under entertainers you will see he meets (at the very least) points 1 & 2 (and arguably #3 too). As he is a main character on a hit tv show in its second season (at least, could be even a third planned? I'm a bit out of touch with the latest developments of MM) and he has a large fan base. As a person only has to meet one of the points I would say JDog easily passes muster here. MathmoTalk20:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding WP:ENT - I had looked the other night and did not see that he met any of these. The VH1 cable network seemed weakly notable (only one article in the references covers the subject) but let's assume the network is "notable." The The Pickup Artist (TV series) show needs WP:N TLC as it does not have a single supporting reference for notability. Let's pretend the show is notable. JDOG's role lasted one season and that was as one of the two "wings" for the show's main presenter. One season as a wing on this show is not WP:ENT #1. WP:ENT #2 and #3 would need reliable secondary sources that state he has a large cult/fan base or has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. I did not find any reliable secondary sources much less one that made claims applicable to WP:ENT #2 or #3. --Marc Kupper|talk07:22, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you believe there are issues with the contents of the current article then you can edit it yourself to correct it, this is the way such a claimed issue should be dealt with. Not by outright deletion. MathmoTalk20:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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