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The result was delete. Consensus is that Kameelion does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion at this time -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 17:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kameelion[edit]

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Not notable, no assertion of notability. Musician with no published work or commercial recordings  Velela  ^{Velela Talk}   21:49, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He does have published work. It should be kept. CrackersTeam 23:26, 29 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.62.78 (talk) [reply]

• Delete. Per WP:Notability (music) a musician must have published at least two albums or must have had a single in any national charts. Online releases don't count as notable. De728631 (talk) 00:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. --Muhandes (talk) 06:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. FruitMonkey (talk) 06:51, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Is up and coming and has national releases on iTunes and in national download charts. Should be keptEnjaBenja (talk) 13:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.42.190 (talk) [reply]

• Delete - Verifiability is not satisfied, which is more serious than just not meeting notability. What is it with the references which seem to be misguided at best, and fake at worst. For example, "Kameelion fits in the industry" says label leads to [1] which is lyricsmania lyrics from a song by "Ben Alekzsander Williams" which is presumably Kameelion, but is a complete misrepresentation. -- Whpq (talk) 17:06, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note - This appears to be the second time through AFD for this subject. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Alekzsander Williams for an earlier article under his full birth name. -- Whpq (talk) 17:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Whpq's analysis of the "references." Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 17:18, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Additional note - Seems to have been speedy deleted 6 times previously as Ben Williams (Singer). -- Whpq (talk) 17:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per all of the above, especially Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Alekzsander Williams, for which I have tagged the article ((db-repost)), and move to close per WP:SNOW. Note that there is a similar discussion at simple:Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2010/Kameelion.   — Jeff G.  ツ 03:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Unfortunately this article is very different to the deleted one with different refs, so we will have to let this discussion work it out with a new consensus. If this had been labelled with A7 I would have deleted it though. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• DELETE . this guy is just a complete joke. what he produces cannot even be considered to be music. it is closer to a crime against humanity. if you think i'm exxagerating check out his website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.124.215 (talk)

• Keep Seems to be developing nicely now with sources and additional information, looking notable 92.2.124.179 (talk) 01:19, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete- non-notable. Tommy! [message] 01:03, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Is notable and up coming 92.11.19.24 (talk) 11:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and WP:MUSIC & since when are ips allowed to vote? Avono♂ (talk) 11:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - IP editors are allowed to contribute to the discussion. See WP:AFD#How to discuss an AfD. -- Whpq (talk) 11:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment thanks for the reply Avono♂ (talk) 12:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.