The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of FlyArystan destinations[edit]

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This was deleted as part of the bundle Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Air Nippon destinations with a very detailed rationale from User:FOARP linking to the the 2018 RFC on lists of airline destinations, which clearly confirms that we should not be hosting these lists on Wikipedia anywhere. This article was swiftly recreated following the previous AfD and I am not seeing how this new version addresses any of the concerns raised by FOARP.

There is no evidence that the destinations that FlyArystan fly to are covered significantly in reliable sources independent of the company. I would politely ask people to read the above RfC and AfD to understand the context of this nomination before !voting. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:08, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business, Aviation, Lists, and Kazakhstan. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete - Obviously I’ve been brought here by the ping in the nom, however this is a straight-forward recreation of a recently-deleted article that does not address ANY of the issues with this kind of article. To re-iterate:

1) these are straightforward service-listings for a company and violate WP:NOT.

2) they are sourced entirely to the website of the company that provides these services. There is no way this passes WP:GNG let alone the stricter requirements of WP:CORP.

3) these listings can only be sourced ultimately to the service-provider themselves. No secondary, independent, and reliable source (a requirement that excludes industry press and blogs) can be found for this information.

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a repository for airline company data or aviation enthusiast lists. FOARP (talk) 10:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete per above, no reason to maintain lists of destinations airlines service; I don't think any RS covers this independently. AryKun (talk) 12:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I note that the article now has sources from Simple Flying, which seems to announce every new route from every commercial airline. I'm still not convinced that this topic warrants an article but the new sources could be used to expand FlyArystan, which has very little info. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Spiderone - Simple Flying is industry press and does not meet the requirements of WP:SIRS. As you say, it also covers every new route announced by a commercial airline and so is insufficiently discriminating. The information relayed in their articles comes entirely from the airline and is WP:CRYSTAL as it always about future plans that may not happen. Indeed in the case of Urumqi the planned launch of the service is covered by Simple Flying but our article states that this service has already been terminated. Finally, it's very obvious WP:PROMO flap-copy. Here's a snippet so people can get a feel for it:
"FlyArystan, Central Asia's largest LCC, is dedicated to providing budget-friendly travel opportunities in the region. The new route to China is a testament to the airline's expansion policy, catering to the demand for low-fare travel. Offering a base fare of 18,000 tenge, passengers can customize their travel experience based on their preferences. FlyArystan encourages travelers to seize this opportunity and immerse themselves in the vibrant atmosphere of Urumqi.

That's not a quote from the airline or anything, that's the in-article text written by the staff of Simple Flying. For anyone who knows what's going on in Xinjiang it's also kind of grotesque but that's by-the-by.
As such there is no useful content to merge here. FOARP (talk) 09:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete per WP:G4. Recreation of previously deleted list per deletion discussion. Has shown very little improvement, if not a carbon copy of the previously deleted article. Coastie43 (talk) 01:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.