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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 00:43, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of Philippine television shows (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Procedural nomination on behalf of an IP who left the following message on the talk page:

There's already a category specifically for programs relating to TV programs shown in the Philippines, so why is there a need for an article about it?

If the reason behind this is to create an article listing programs that has no article in Wikipedia, then I think that's an invalid reason. If there is no article regarding a program, then one must be created for it.

A TV show article with a lengthy details enables others to verify that such program does or might have existed. As such, anyone could add a TV program to this article and clarify just by saying that "it's real" or that they've "seen the program," regardless of the fact that it might be fictitious.

Likewise, I've never heard of the program Alaska Mini-Programa even though it is listed in this list. It doesn't mean that such program did exist but there's also no proof of reference that such show exist. If such program does exist, more details can be added to it creating an article about it.

The listing of shows for certain TV stations are far more accurate and more specific that this listing. Editors of those articles were able to manage to create listing with references and/or create articles pertaining to a TV show. Though, I find it, at times, irksome when editors tend to remove citation requirements that I add whenever there is no verification attached to unlinked programs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.201.168.178 (talk) 04:33, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For my part, I am neutral. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:35, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:57, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:44, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Noting that as per Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates the existence of a category does not preclude a list, and vice versa. If the information is verifiable (I think it is in this case, there exist TV listings and rankings and magazines that can show WP:V and WP:N), discriminate (also true here, there are definitive and verifiable criterion for inclusion: a TV show, from the Philippines) and Notable (sources will determine that, it's hard to imagine an entire nation has no notable TV shows...), then it's a good list. 65.29.47.55 (talk) 07:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per 65.29.47.55. I see no problems with this list that cannot be solved by editing, and the existence of a category is irrelevant. postdlf (talk) 16:44, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.