The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. From Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates: "Accordingly, these methods should not be considered in conflict with each other." Categories and lists are not mutually exclusive. Editorial decisions such as merging should be discussed on the talk pages. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 13:10, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Major League Baseball players who played for Penn State (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • AfD statistics)

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Unneeded listcruft. Create a category if absolutely needed, but this list is not. Note: previously a no consensus discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Major Leaguers Who Played for Penn State. Grsz¹¹ 22:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Also nominating:
  • Major League Baseball players who played for Arizona State University
  • Major League Baseball players who played for Rice University

• Delete all unnecessary - especially when there are no third party sources connecting the school to the fact that they play in the MLB.—Chris!_c/t 00:01, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:18, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:18, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all Categories work fine for this. We have Category:Rice Owls baseball players and Category:Arizona State Sun Devils baseball players. As of this moment, there is no Category:Penn State Nittany Lions baseball players, but I'll create it. I have created it. --Muboshgu (talk) 01:22, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all All three meet the definition of an indiscriminate list, and categories are superior to something that never aspired to be nothing more than a boring list of blue links. If someone wants to make a list that honors Penn State and the "L" in WP:CLN, consider adding details like, say, when and where they played in the big leagues, like they do in a media guide. The article on the five-time NCAA champion Arizona State Sun Devils baseball team isn't very good, so the list of players would be a welcome addition there; the place for this info is within the article about the program itself. Mandsford 02:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm surprised it took this long to get these deleted. Alex (talk) 16:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Categories and lists do not serve identical functions, and having both on a particular topic is not a bad thing. In particular, lists allow you to provide item-by-item ciations on the items in the list, while inclusion in a category is always uncited (unless the information is included in the body of the article and cited there). -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 17:05, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect Major League Baseball players who played for Penn State back into List of Pennsylvania State University people. Merge and redirect Major League Baseball players who played for Arizona State University to List of Arizona State University alumni. Merge and redirect Major League Baseball players who played for Rice University to List of Rice University people. In all three cases, a substantial amount of the same content is mirrored there anyway, so there's no point in having separate baseball-exclusive pages. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 17:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The lists could serve different purposes than the categories such as "years at school", "debut date" and "final date". They are not the same thing. Just because they are not up to those standards now doesn't mean they should be deleted. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 21:35, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That would be better served at Penn State Nittany Lions, Arizona State Sun Devils baseball, and Rice Owls baseball than at separate pages. --Muboshgu (talk) 23:58, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect per Hit Bull, win steak, no reason why it should be deleted, nor any reason why it should be kept. Secret ^account 23:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I agree with Muboshgu as per a merge target. The Rice University list is already (in a much better form) at Rice Owls baseball#Former players, and that the Arizona State list would be more logical an addition, in similar form, to Arizona State Sun Devils baseball. There doesn't seem to be an article about the Penn State baseball team; maybe someone who spent a few years at State College PA will be drawn to the discussion by the mere spotting of the name of the alma mater, and have a suggestion. Mandsford 12:43, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and discuss possible merge as suggested by Muboshgu. One thing is clear, the list is not indiscriminate; how can a list of major league baseball players be indiscriminate, since we accept that every one of them u is notable by our standards? A list of anyone who ever played for Penn State, might more reasonably be considered indiscriminate. DGG ( talk ) 17:51, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 01:58, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Relisting comment: Seems to be leaning towards a merge right now, but I think some more discussion on the merge targets will be helpful. T. Canens (talk) 02:00, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• I think they should be merged to the pages I suggested above: Arizona State Sun Devils baseball, Rice Owls baseball and Penn State Nittany Lions (as there is no Penn State Nittany Lions baseball). --Muboshgu (talk) 17:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete this should be a category not an article. Nergaal (talk) 14:39, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with the suggestions by Hit Bull, Win Steak. Vodello (talk) 15:09, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.