The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. WjBscribe 22:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mia Banggs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Non-notable biography. Undeleted from a CSDA7 because of nagging by creator. No claim of notability beyond having acted in porn films, no independent third party reviews of her work. She fails all the "Valid criteria" in WP:PORNBIO. We need to remember WP:BLP in these cases and weigh how much useful information is in these articles against the possible harm they can do to living people. This article makes no case for her being anything more than your standard run-of-the-mill porn actor. Delete. Mak (talk) 17:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep She is notable by the fact that she has appeared in over 100 movies, as stated in WP:PORNBIO. WP:PORNBIO states 'modern American heterosexual performers are usually notable if they appear in more than 100 films'. The article had reliable sources proving that she is a prolific pornstar. That is all that is needed. There is nothing written in the article that isn't sourced. The WP:PORNBIO criteria are derived from results of past AfD discussions which shows that precedants have been set. I've seen many articles like this at AfD discussions and they've always been kept. There are many less notable porn stars than her on Wikipedia. This is clearly not just a vanity article. Epbr123 17:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I never claimed that it was vanity. Also, the fact that there are less "notable" pornstars on Wikipedia is a bad reason to keep an article. Also, things change, AfD is not strictly based on precedent. It also says usually notable, not always notable. The only point in her favor as far as notability is concerned is that she's prolific? I think that's somewhat absurd. Mak (talk) 17:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some of her film performances have been independenly reviewed at dvdtalk.com, for example [1]. Epbr123 18:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Number of films in a genre can contribute to a porn star's prolificness, and certainly more so than the Google test, which on its own is unquestionably invalid, but it does speak to both the size of an entertainer's fanbase/following (see WP:BIO) and the prolificness of their work and can be used in conjunction with more valid criteria of either WP:PORNBIO or WP:BIO to make a determination of whether they have a significant following and/or are prolific in any genre. This actress doesn't even seem to be prolific in porn in general, or anything else for that matter, as Googling her gets under 400 hits. I get more relevant hits if I Google my name (real name, not WP name), and I'm not notable enough for a WP article. I can't find anything about this actress other than her IMDB (and similar) profiles and some minor mentions/inclusions on spammish porn sites. She doesn't even have a website of her own. While even that is not an immediate grounds for inclusion/exclusion, again, it is a piece of evidence that needs to be looked at as a part of a whole. All of the sources in this article are IMDB (or similar) and while such sites may be used as sources in conjunction with other reliable sources, including the actress' own website, if she has one, as this is an article about a person and would be considered a primary source provided the information is neutral, and preferably at least one third-party reliable source, IMDB-ish sites alone are not acceptable as reliable sources.LaMenta3 18:37, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see your POINT. Epbr123 20:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reason she has low Google hits is that there are numourous variations of her name. 'Mia Bangg' comes up with over 200,000 hits. Epbr123 20:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's still significantly less than most (if not all) of the other AfDs in which I voted keep. I searched the variation you suggested on Google and still came up with anything that could be considered a reliable source. Even what appears to be her official website provides no information so as to be used as an acceptable primary source. If you can expand and appropriately reference this article with sources that I have overlooked, please do. I never vote in an AfD without first seeing if there's something I can do to "save" the article in question (unless of course it obviously appears to be crap or otherwise inappropriate for WP). I am not at all unopposed to changing my position on an AfD if the article is improved to acceptable standards. Also, WP:AGF, etc... LaMenta3 22:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hmmmm. Carmen Hayes 199,000 hits, Mariko Morikawa 25,000 hits, Amanda Lexx 123,000 hits, Alexis DeVell 30,000 hits, Anastasia Christ 179,000 hits. But OK, I'll assume good faith. Epbr123 23:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per failure to satisfy WP:ATT and per LaMenta. The "100 films" criterion is disputed as an easy way to obtain a Wikipedia article as free advertising for a porn performer. Edison 19:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Whether or not she is "a contender for notability" based on some criterion or another doesn't really matter. We need to see reliable sources and we need to see them pronto. --kingboyk 22:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep; Epbr123 seems to have done some further research, and found a reliable source or two. She was apparently a FAME award nominee, and owns a modeling agency. Good enough for me. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 06:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no reliable sources, no article, porn industry is highly adept at manipulating Google, no indication provided she passes PORNBIO. Moreschi ^{Request a recording?} 10:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article provides reliable secondary sources so she passes WP:BIO. She passes WP:PORNBIO through her number film appearances, her noteworthy news piece and her notability in both the big-bust & anal sex genres. Epbr123 11:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - This AfD seems to be part of an anti-porn campaign. Google gives over 230,000 hits for Mia Bangg. -- Petri Krohn 23:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't mind, would you point out any other Porn bios I've nominated recently? Mak (talk) 00:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maemki, I don't think that he was singling you out personally, its just that the bulk of these ill-conceived nominations seem to come in waves. RFerreira 05:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep per Petri Krohn. Acalamari 20:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been added to the list of Porn star deletions. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 03:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as rewritten, article now provides sourcing in compliance with WP:A and meets WP:PORN BIO guidelines as well. RFerreira 05:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per RFerreira. bbx 05:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep passes WP:PORNBIO with flying colors.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 05:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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