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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 14:57, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Muntasir Mahdi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Highly promotional article about a non-notable author. Fails notability guidelines. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 19:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 19:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 19:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Keep Although the nominator got the impression of the subject being only an author, the main emphasis isn't on his writing tho. If you check the sources, they emphasize on his entrepreneurial sides and startups. The subject has got coverage from independent major dailies, magazines/publications, which lead to meeting WP:BASIC. Also, I'm not sure which parts are promotional tho, if specifically pointed, they can be rewritten.Tame (talk) 19:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:07, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I don't feel capable to judge the quality of the sources as I don't speak the language, a cursory glance doesn't seem to support keeping it. Oaktree b (talk) 20:27, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Oaktree b, You can always use translator (Googles chrome extension is a good way to get basic idea about foreign sources.) The sources used, except 1 IMO (BD Sarabela) are non-controversial, independent, major Bengali media outlets, which support to pass GNG. Tame (talk) 20:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I can see how the article may seem promotional, as all the english google search results for the subjects name are primarily business based. However there are numerous cited articles regarding the subject from valid publications. This one is from Anannya a bio and future projects interview. This one is him opening an IT college intended to help lower classes in his hometown, its from Kaler Kantho a legit pub. This one can be argued to be a promotional interview where he talks about his achievements and current business, but then again its an interview with a business person and the publication is legit Janakantha. To me it fits our notability requirements. I don't read bengali so I translated them using https://lingvanex.com/english-to-bengali it doesn't have character limit like google translate.

PS I think it should definitely be expanded with info pulled out from these sources.Rybkovich (talk) 21:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment@Rybkovich Please take a look at my comment evaluating the sources and reconsider your vote.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment@User:Vinegarymass911 I agree with you re a lot of the content being promotional. But at the same there is meat - the college and the books. If people buy the books that's notable, if a guy established a college that gives scholarships and is creating opportunity for young people, that's notable. There could be more, I think the creator should have an opportunity to expand instead of being shot down the same day the article is created. If I spoke Bengali I would look further into the books to see if they really are best sellers, same with getting more info re the college - is it legit? are people really getting scholarships? Unfortunately I don't. But there is a way to find out - see if there is more significant info added. Creating content is work and takes a lot of time, its personal and at the same time very fulfilling as you're creating it for others. It can be crushing when others are convinced that it should be deleted, even if you know that they are not against you and are instead doing what they feel is best for wikipedia. I know this personally. Per his profile the author seems like a genuine contributor and has done a lot for our project. Hence I feel he should be given an opportunity to put more work into his project. Rybkovich (talk) 04:02, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete There is nothing notable about this person. --SVTCobra 03:00, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @SVTCobra, Did u check the sources? Can you rebut any of them? If so, how come? This might need a rewrite, but fo shizz the person is a notable entrepreneur and business person. Tame (talk) 04:00, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Being someone who is able to read Bengali, I must say, although weird, but the person has got some independent, significant coverage from major, reliable newspapers and magazines. I agree with Rybkovich, the article indeed seems promo, but I think it might need a rewrite, and new info should be added, not delete it.103.109.56.38 (talk) 04:07, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Please bear in mind before leaving a vote that, all sources not-necessarily have to be in English. See:WP:NONENG. From what I've observed, most editors' attitude towards foreign sources are not appropriate. They just take a cursory look, and don't bother translating, and evaluate the article only based on the sources available in EN language. (Some even do not check the sources at all). Obviously there are exceptions, one example could be user Rybkovich. Tame (talk) 10:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment- Most of the sources about him, and not his company, are interviews and feel like Native advertising; not impossible for someone in marketing. Take this source and that; one has this line (Actually, there was a click in me. Although I started studying CSE, I always talked to people. But that is not possible in CSE. All my life I have been shouting 'I will be an engineer, I will be an engineer' but was that really my passion? Am I really moving towards my dream?) and the other has ("Actually, there was a click in me. Although I started studying CSE, I always talked to people. But that is not possible in CSE. Was it really my passion to shout 'I will be an engineer, I will be an engineer' all my life? Am I really moving towards my dream? ). Translated by Google. Six of the sources (7-12) are based on a press release about his company being launched. The Risingbd source seems reliable but then has this line (Muntasir Mahdi started his marketing career about seven and a half years ago. During this time he has been pushed a thousand times. Never got point amount support from anyone. Even after hearing the bitter words of thousands of people, he has come so far today. Some people are currently working on marketing in Bangladesh; He is one of them.) and again this line ( "Actually, there was a click in me. Although I started studying CSE, I always talked to people. But that is not possible in CSE. Was it really my passion to shout 'I will be an engineer, I will be an engineer' all my life? Am I really moving towards my dream? ). Source 19 is his podcast and source 17 is GoodReads. And source 16 is just a government list of books at the book fair. Source 18 has this line ( "Actually, there was a click in me. Although I started studying CSE, I always talked to people. But that is not possible in CSE. Was it really my passion to shout 'I will be an engineer, I will be an engineer' all my life? Am I really moving towards my dream?). Source 13 to 15 are press releases on his book being at the fair. It may seem like he has a wide coverage but in reality, he does not. I am impressed but not surprised given that he is a marketing specialist.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:37, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Vinegarymass911, You pointed out very specific PS materials, and kudos to you for it. But they concurrently contains independent coverage. While some of the articles do contain interviews, but they are partially, not for their entirety. -- Tame (talk) 13:49, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  No, they certainly do not.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Vinegarymass911's analysis. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 18:35, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 08:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete doesn't pass WP:GNG. Wikipedia is not about marketing or promotional use. --NeverTry4Me - TT page 10:00, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Doesn't meet WP:GNG. I admittedly have a high bar for notability for anyone who is identified as a "digital marketer" which is a position that only requires that you have a computer and know a little about SEO. There are tens of thousands of wannabe digital marketers and it takes more than this person has to be considered notable. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:57, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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