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The result of the debate was Delete Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 23:20, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable band. --fvw* 01:00, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete nn. ♥purplefeltangel ^(talk) ♥ ^{(Contributions)} 01:05, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete- Fails WP:MUSIC, not notable, I'm afraid. Good formating, though (infobox!)--Sean Jelly Baby? 01:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Do not delete I just made this page today, never made a wiki at all, proud of it. You have the right to delete, I just wish you didn't. The0208 01:21, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  Check my note on your talk page --Sean Jelly Baby? 01:27, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm sorry to hear that you're so attached to the article, but it's Wikipedia policy to delete articles on non-notable bands. If you wish to contribute new articles, you are very welcome to do so as you seem to have a good knowledge of formatting and so on. Welcome to Wikipedia and enjoy your stay. ♥purplefeltangel ^(talk) ♥ ^{(Contributions)} 01:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  Um, what policy is that? ··gracefool |☺ 08:13, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you The0208 01:30, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as band vanity, though more gently than usual since the author's taking the AfD reasonably well and did a good job on this article, especially for somebody who's so new here! --Idont Havaname 04:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete but look forward to other articles from this user. Dlyons493 07:48, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete doesn't meet WP:MUSIC. -feydey 11:37, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Lack of "notability" is not a criterion for deletion. -- Reinyday, 13:56, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Reinyday, WP:N is neither a guideline, nor a proposed guideline, however, WP:MUSIC is and this article does not meet the requirements listed there. --TM ^(talk) 18:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Lack of "notability" is not a criterion for deletion I seemed to overlook this aspect of the deletion process. Notability alone does not appear to be a strong enough reason to delete, though I may be incorrect. The0208 16:07, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • As you will notice as towards the replies to Reinyday every time he tries this crap (I don't bother because I don't feed the trolls), Wikipedia:Notability is not a policy (and is clearly labelled as not being one). Policies are clearly labelled as such, although as a newcomer to the wiki you're excused for an honest mistake in my books, anyway. Lord Bob 23:52, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Notability isn't a policy but nor is WP:MUSIC. AFAIK current policy says to keep ··gracefool |☺ 08:13, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • WP:MUSIC is, however, a guideline, which WP:Notability is not. A guideline, to borrow from the template, "illustrates standards or conduct that are generally accepted by consensus to apply in many cases." Good enough for me, although I can't dictate what you believe. Lord Bob 18:32, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • Hmm, the guideline template has been completely and unreasonably changed (see the talk page). Up until recently, pages now marked with ((guideline)) used ((proposed)) instead. A guideline that has consensus is a policy, or should become one in short order. If WP:MUSIC really has consensus, there is nothing stopping it from being a policy. It should be submitted to requests for comment or something. ··gracefool |☺ 16:52, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to The0208's user page if he is agreeable. NGC 3031 (band) doesn't meet the WP:MUSIC criteria, which is no surprise since it looks like they just formed this year. It is however a MUCH better laid out page than 90% of the band vanity pages posted here though and since The0208 has actually participated in the process here, I'd hate to see his hard work get totally blown out. Maybe if they can meet WP:MUSIC in the next few years it could get moved back...

The0208, if you guys have any mp3's posted somewhere on the web, post a link on my user page. I dig noise rock.--Isotope23 17:40, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Userfy if The0208 wishes. It's really nice looking and I'd love to have this stored for later if notability gets established (i.e. when they meet WP:MUSIC) Hell, I'll store it in my Userspace if need be- I've encouraged this user to start editing other articles, so we'll see. --Sean Jelly Baby? 18:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:MUSIC or userfy if requested. --TM ^(talk) 18:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: If the user wants to memorialize on his own page, then glory glory to him. That's no one's business but his: as an article, it fails WP:MUSIC and acts only as an ad. No advertising. Geogre 19:02, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  Sheesh! Userfy is a perfectly valid AFD comment- there's no need to be rude. BTW, most everyone recognized that it didn't meet WP:MUSIC, but that it was a good article too. Focus on the positive and all that...--Sean Jelly Baby? 19:11, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, I'd like to concentrate on the positive, but it takes misunderstanding the whole project to post an article like this and then argue that it should be kept. The beauty of the prose is irrelevant, and some of the people closing VfD's lately have been trying to make it binary. All "userfy" they are dealing with as "remove the tag and leave it alone." Thus, I'm no longer voting anything but keep or delete, with what could be done alternatively after that vote. As for band articles, I'm not the only editor on Wikipedia who was in a band that does have an entry in AMG and other places but not an article on Wikipedia. The fact is that Wikipedia is not Ultimatebandlist.com, not AMG, not "every cool band," and it is not an advertising medium nor a mechanism for legitimizing a subject. Geogre 21:16, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment:Okay, listen: 1. I already voted to delete, noting that it was not notable. I was merely suggesting that the user save it as an example of their work. 2. Userfy is simply an additional comment. I doubt that an admin would keep an article if there were several reccomendations to userfy. 3. Just because you have decided to always vote 'Keep' of 'Delete' doesn't mean anyone else has too. 4. It was created by a new user who has the ability to make good contributions, and I didn't want to discourage them, that's all.--Sean Jelly Baby? 21:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: NGC 3031 is not notable enough, and I have already userfyed it, thank you for the constructive criticism. The0208 22:08, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as failing WP:MUSIC. Lord Bob 23:52, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, doesn't meet WP:MUSIC. Shauri 20:14, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. as per nominator. Kewp 16:38, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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