The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete Jayron32 05:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is not a majority vote, but instead a discussion among Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia has policies and guidelines regarding the encyclopedia's content, and consensus (agreement) is gauged based on the merits of the arguments, not by counting votes. However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to assume good faith on the part of others and to sign your posts on this page by adding ~~~~ at the end. Note: Comments may be tagged as follows: suspected single-purpose accounts: ((subst:spa|username)); suspected canvassed users: ((subst:canvassed|username)); accounts blocked for sockpuppetry: ((subst:csm|username)) or ((subst:csp|username)).

Octavio Carranza Torres (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Very low number of citations in Google Scholar but some presence in a regular Google search. Author Co-editor of at least one book. Was awarded the "National Mexican Logistics Prize". However, he doesn't seem to be notable according to WP:PROF or under the general notability guideline. CronopioFlotante (talk) 20:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —CronopioFlotante (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. He does not seem to be author of a book, just mentioned in it. Does not seem to pass WP:Prof. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Thank you Xxanthippe. You are right. Changed it above to co-editor of a book (source). CronopioFlotante (talk) 09:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do not endorse- Extranisimo-I would like to make some comments over Octavio Carranza Torres. He is certainly the author or co-author of two books (The Bullwhip Effect in Supply Chains and Logistics best practices in latinamerica)and is in the process of publishing two more, Operating from Mexico, and Supply Chain Performance Measurement Systems. If you check his book "Logística Mejores Practicas en latino America", you will see that 60% of it is authored by him, and this is because when you make a revision of practice in such a huge region of Latin America, it is practically impossible that one person can resume all the knowledge developed in that region. He is an authority in Logistics in Latinamerica because of many reasons. The first one, he generated the first compilation of Logistics for latin america. The second public university in Chile mentions him as the "main spanish speaking author", which can be checked at Universidad de Valparaiso or at his page (http://octavioacarranzatorres, testimonials). The mexican national logistics price is awarded by 11 institutions (including the local chapter of the CSCMP, the APICS, the main professional associations in Mexico). This price is certainly the main logistics price in latin America, and was declared vacant in his category for three years, which enhances the merit of the award. The second reason to be considered an authority in Latin America is that he created the first Benchmarking Logistics program addressed to companies. The third reason is that his prestige is such that he has promoted an MIT research center in Mexico, with the authorities of the state of Mexic, which is potentialy the main research center MIT will have outside from Boston. The relevance of his first book is related to the National Logistics award he won. When looking at Logistics in Latin America, the first book of such type -in spanish- for all the region, a book that can be looked at Google (Logistica Mejores Prácticas en latino América), and in the many university library that exist in the region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Extranisimo (talk • contribs) 17:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC) Do not endorse-Logisticstudent-I have been a student that has used Logistics Best Practices in Latin America-The first thing I want to say is that there are many books that could be used as a text for a course in Logistics. This one made really a difference. It was not only the only book that presented Latin American cases, but that it was written in Latin America for Latin Americans. We enjoyed very much this book, and I believe that this only fact would justify having Octavio Carranza Torres in Wikipedia: Logistics has revolutionized the economy of many countries, and here we have a book that explains how this revolution can be materialized. I have a sincere appreciation for Dr Carranza´s work, because he was the first author that was widely used in my university -Tec de Monterrey-. I believe this book has been adopted by a myriad of other universities in Latin America, that go from Colombia -EAFIT- to Chile, Argentina -IUA-, Perú and Mexico. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Logisticstudent (talk • contribs) 18:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC) Leave or modify this article-Intelectual2-I believe the perspective that Cronopioflotante takes is too wide: WP:Proof is not a complete measure of the relevancy of somebody in a discipline or even a region. I believe also that only looking at this article from an academic perspective, is a narrow focus. And I would like to give two examples: DHL in MExico -contact luis.erana@dhl.com who is its general director- uses the book abovementioned -Logistica Mejores Prácticas en Latino América- as the head manual for any new trainees in the company. This means that there is no other book that serves as well for this purpose. Logistica Mejores Practicas en Latino America is undoubtedly a classic in Logistics for many practitioners, and Google won´t probably reflect this. The relevancy of this work can be looked at from the fact that no other work existed in this field previously (the opinion of relevant experts is very important in this matter, look for example at www.iese.edu, which hosts the first MBA of the world, according to The Economist). A second reason why the activity of this person should be considered as relevant is the position of Mexico in the WOrld, and its logistics oriented situation. Octavio Carranza is a reference for Logistics in Mexico, and by the way, his work remains a reference for anybody who wants to look at logistics in Latin America, or Mexico, which could be termed one of the main logistics poles of the world (see for more information the Council of Supply Chain Management Professionals that this author wrote over Mexico).[reply]

• Delete. The article is very badly written and formatted, badly sourced, and suffers somewhat from crystal ball-ism: it has too much about what Carranza is going to do when it should only be about what he has done. And some of the article text is copied and pasted from Carranza's web page (or vice versa, I suppose). Despite all that I was prepared to look through the article and try to find some notability in it. The only thing I see, really, that could save the article is the subject's award, the 2005 Premio Nacional de Logística. But, though I found a few web pages that mention it, in Google News I could find only two articles from a Chilean university that mention him only briefly in connection with a seminar that he visited. I have to conclude that, with no Spanish-language press on the award, it is not an especially notable one. Without that, and without other evidence of passing WP:PROF, I don't see why we should keep the article. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Notability has not been made manifest as required. Xxanthippe (talk) 08:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC).[reply]

intelectual2-This is a comment for David Epstein-I have recomended to rewrite the article,so I agree with you in that it is somehow poorly writen -even though the article in itself does not say nothing about what Octavio Carranza is going to do-, but there are two issues that should be stressed 1-You can check his web page -since you are comparing the article with what this web-page says- to see that in Testimonials that there is an express mention about his prestige in spanish speaking countries (the most well-known author in spanish speaking countries, "el autor más importante en Logística en lengua hispana"). To check this information you should address this information, probably the director of its industrial engineering career, Esteban Sefair, esefair@yahoo.com.ar. I certainly know about this announce because it was a matter of discussion in many universities which I advise. 2-As regards your comments about no Spanish-language press on the award. You can check http://www.premiologistica.com.mx/jurado.php, to see who evaluates this price. There are two of the main latin american journals in logistics, but I would add, God save us from having our intelectuals and practitioners being evaluated by the interests of (spanish speaking) press! I would make a simple question, while listing the members of this jury, Could any editor ever replace the quality of this associations?

Representantes de las siguientes Secretarías de Estado: Secretaría de Economía Secretaría de Comunicaciones y Transportes Asociaciones en el ramo o sector de la Logística: Asociación de Ejecutivos de Logística, Distribución y Tráfico, ASELDYT Council of Supply Chain Management Professionals (CSCMP) Capítulo México Asociación para la Administración de Operaciones (APICS) Capítulo México Asociación Mexicana de Transporte Intermodal (AMTI) Instituto Mexicano de Ejecutivos en Comercio Exterior (IMECE) Organismos Empresariales Cúpula: Confederación Nacional de Cámaras Industriales de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos (CONCAMIN). Confederación de Cámaras Nacionales de Comercio, Servicios y Turismo de la República Mexicana (CONCANACO). Instituciones Educativas Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM) Universidad Anáhuac México Sur Unidad Profesional Interdisciplinaria de Ingeniería y Ciencias Sociales y Administrativas (UPIICSA) del Instituto Politécnico Nacional (IPN) Instituciones y organizaciones difusoras de la logística EXPOLOGÍSTICAM.R. Revista Énfasis Logística Revista T21 22:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)22:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)22:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)22:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)22:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)22:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)22:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)22:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)+

• Delete, rather clearly fails PROF with a minimal citation record and no other evidence of significant impact. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.