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The result was delete. While it is true that he has had a public exhibition, it's not enough to show how that establishes his notability. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable calligrapher, no sources to establish notability; contested prod, removed by editor who added a link to a blog post in an attempt to establish notability Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. —Nomoskedasticity (talk) 08:44, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Notability established, in my view, with his public exhibition in the Yukon Arts Center sponsored by the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts. Confusion does arise about whether he is Canadian or British both appear in the article. Samples of his works would also help.--Jemesouviens32 (talk) 08:50, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If this had been "a substantial part of a significant exhibition" (one way of meeting WP:ARTIST), one would have thought there would have been sources covering it. I think it's obvious it doesn't rise to this level, not even close. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:03, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Notability established An interesting point. What is a notable calligrapher?

The English calligrapher Edward Johnston could be considered a notable calligrapher. The German type designer Herman Zapf could be considered a notable calligrapher. The American calligrapher Brody Neuenschwander could be considered a notable calligrapher. The Irish calligrapher Denis Brown could be considered a notable calligrapher. The English calligrapher Ann Camp could be considered a notable calligrapher. The German calligrapher Hans Joachime Burgert could be considered a notable calligrapher. Interestingly there are no articles on Neuenschwander, Brown, Camp, or Burgert in Wikipedia.

Who decides what constitutes a notable calligrapher? A professor with a PHD in Sociology? Is this professor a calligrapher? Is he an expert on art, craft, design?

*Keep Notability established Ummm, the point raised about his public exhibition in the Yukon Arts Center sponsored by the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts is interesting. Are there other calligraphers in Canada who have had exhbitions in a venue of this stature? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reggie Smythe (talk • contribs) 09:23, 29 October 2009 (UTC) — Reggie Smythe (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Delete I don't think the Yukon Arts Center is enough to satisfy WP:ARTIST. What is a notable calligrapher? Either one who has broken through to major visual arts exhibition spaces, or who is recognised within the field (membership of groups with specific criteria for entry, mentions in books about calligraphy, awards).--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 23:16, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Delete/Neutral per Ethico - weak because it is hard to be notable today purely as a calligrapher (in the West I mean). He may well be the most notable calligrapher in Canada today (or for all I know ever - there is no Canadian category), but that may not mean he is very notable. Who is a notable calligrapher? Well everyone else I looked at in the category tree, except maybe Dave Wood, though some are notable for something else but were calligraphers. Johnbod (talk) 04:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Ethicoaestheticist...Modernist (talk) 00:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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