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The result was delete. Jayjg ^(talk) 04:39, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Xoy Ceremony[edit]

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Part of a walled garden of entirely unverifiable articles created by Tamsier (talk · contribs) (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sererism, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laman Jegan Joof, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thiemassassians). There are zero Google Scholar or Google Books hits, and what Google web search results there are seem to be forum-type pages, some of which also originate with a person identified as "Tamsier", e.g. [1]. I'll stop individually nominating these articles now, as it appears increasingly likely that a centralized discussion to nuke this editor's entire contribution history will be required.  Sandstein  20:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Hello,

I noticed that you have nominated my articles for deletion, i.e. Laman Jegan Joof, Xoy Ceremony etc. You also seems to accuse me of other things which I shall not go through here. I am just wondering when you where planning to delete the Laman Jegan Joof, Xoy Ceremony, and Sererism articles whether you have thought about other possible variations of the name or at least consult me? As I have told you in the Laman Jegan Joof talk page, there are differences in the French spelling and the English spelling depending on whether you are Anglophone or Francophone. You also appeared not to have done your proper research. Had you googled Xoy Ceremony it would have taken you straight to atleast Pometra International. Eventhough there are variations of spelling "Xoy" had you googled it, you have seen your prove. I have better things to do with my time and effort than to waste all my time and energy producing these articles if I didn't have verifiable sources for them.

It is now obvious to me what is going on here. Certain people within Wiki do not want to see anything published about Serer religion, history etc. I would rather you tell me and other Serer people so that we can stop wasting our time rather than nominating Serer related articles even after sources have been provided. There is a difference between asking for a clean up and nominating something for deletion or speedy deletion. Had you asked for clean up etc rather than nominating it for deletion, I would have valued that more, but these nomination for deletion about all Serer related articles shows what is going on here. I am far too old than to be playing games particularly, religous and historical games. I thought Wiki had more interity than that apparently not.

Tamsier (talk) 23:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody here wants to suppress any information about your people. In fact, we have too little coverage of African society topics and need more of it. But we do need to be certain that our information is true, by providing reliable sources that allow readers to verify it. By "Prometra International" you mean this page? It does at least verify the existence of the ceremony, although I'm not sure how reliable it is as a source; it appears rather self-published. Are any other spellings that lead to more sources, or can you reproduce a few quotations from the offline sources you cite in the article to allow us to check how they describe the topic?  Sandstein  05:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Xoy Ceremony is also spelled Khoy Ceremony. This year's Xoy was only the beginning of this month. As for reading your comment on the Laman Jegan Joof talk page, I couldn't stop laughing. As you rightly saw from Jstor, or its equivalent, it will only give you a preview unless you buy it. In any case, it proved my existence of Jegan which you accused me of fabricating. He came from Lambaye and he had to leave with his brother Ndick because he was loosing lot of cows from his relative the King of Lambaye. Sandstein, you can delete all the articles if you think it is right and proper. I do not have time going back and forward. It will be just like the Thiemassassian article where I have provided not just reliable links but historical and archaelogical evidence but you still went and delete it. I wasted my time doing that and showed you prove after the accusations. Never again. If the nomination for deletion tags you left on my articles are still there by tonight, I will save you the trouble and delete the articles myself. Please don't take this as an ultimatum or psychological game. Far from it. I'm far too old for that. I've spend hours researching and writing as well as joggling that with trying to get the hang of Wiki. Since I've written them, at least I should delete them and save us all from this agro. Thank you.

Tamsier (talk) 08:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 19:31, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 19:31, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as unverifiable. There are no Gbooks hits for Xoy Ceremony or Khoy Ceremony. Edward321 (talk) 23:31, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep - Prometra International is a reputable organisation with links to UNESCO, World Bank as well as Procter and Gamble and have delegates throughout the world. This ceremony is also well covered online. It certainly does exist. Once this article is developed I think it will make a valuable resource for anyone interested in African religious ceremonies, traditional/alternative medecine and so on. Anti Bullying Warrior (talk) 22:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC) — Anti Bullying Warrior (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Keep - New and verifiable sources with external links have been added to this article, backing up what the original author [my father] had already written. Xoy is also spelt "Xooy", this has also been added. We are all here to contribute and share our knowledge. No one should have to feel they are being made a fool of or have their character assassinated especially if their intentions are honourable and are only trying to share knowledge. Wiki is not the place for such things.

Son of Tamsier (talk) 11:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC) — Son of Tamsier (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Son of Tamsier, a new account created the day after Tamsier was blocked, has made no edits not related to this article created by Tamsier (except for creating a user page). This appears to be either sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen no evidence of any attempt to make anybody seem a fool or to assassinate anybody's character. Are you are sure you are not taking personally things which were not intended that way? JamesBWatson (talk) 13:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Both Son of Tamsier and Anti Bullying Warrior have been blocked as sockpuppets of Tamsier. noq (talk) 16:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I found this in Google Books. So, with one of the various spellings provided, we (might) assume it is real. However, this ceremony does not meet WP:GNG. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} 00:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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