What would the name be, and would it be considered a mental disorder if it incited someone to act violently? -- CensoredScribe (talk · contribs)
- The name would be "Fear of abortion". Not every concept needs other words to describe it. Often, the words that already exist are sufficient. --Jayron32 01:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- If what incited someone to act violently? And who's asking? μηδείς (talk) 01:15, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It was CensoredScribe. And I suppose it could be "abortionphobia", if there were such a thing. I've never heard of anyone who "feared" abortion. Some favor abortion rights, some oppose, some are neutral. If he's talking about what characters like Eric Rudolph did, that's not abortionphobia - it's just plain terrorism. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:43, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Fear of Genocide? We acted pretty violently to stop the Nazis. --DHeyward (talk) 03:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- DH is right. Forced abortion? Induced abortion? Spontaneous abortion? If the OP wants a reasonable answer he should clarify himself. μηδείς (talk) 03:12, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- "Incited someone to act violently" isn't the deciding factor. Something can be a mental disorder without any violence, and not all the things incite violence are considered mental disorders. There are many things called "fear of…" or "…phobia" are not mental disorders, as our article Phobia mentions. You need to clarify if you mean the clinical or the non-clinical meaning of the term.Sjö (talk) 09:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Somebody wise said that more evil has been done in the world because of the love of a leader than because of the hatred of an enemy. An anti-abortionist acting violently over that issue is most likely showing an over-the-top love of his Christian god, whose earthly spokesperson told him that abortion was a bad thing that must be prevented (at all costs). HiLo48 (talk) 10:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Or not. --DHeyward (talk) 10:38, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a bit of a distorted way of looking at things, most people wouldn't call that genuine love. It'd be like saying that a jealous husband who beats his wife does it out of an over the top love for her. It's not that you can't contort the phrase to make that technically work, but without specifying a bunch of "I mean this by this" 's, it sounds like you're saying something very different than what you are, and which isn't actually accurate.Phoenixia1177 (talk) 11:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I did say "over the top love". It was meant to describe something irrational. HiLo48 (talk) 11:27, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- True, I apologize. I've seen a lot of statements like the one you made (on both sides of the fence) used to distort issues, so I'ma bit bitchy about them. Sorry, I honestly didn't intend for that to come off as it did:-).Phoenixia1177 (talk) 11:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- That does not suggest "fear", it's more like "righteous indignation". The idea of "fearing" abortion only makes sense in terms of the embryo or fetus (who doesn't know what's happening anyway); and the mother contemplating an abortion but being fearful of the procedure. Neither of those scenarios suggests consequent murder-and-mayhem by the respective parties. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The prejudiced legal tactic of 'homosexual panic', and subsequently the inept word 'homophobia', has engendered many abuses of the English language, in which ideological hatred and irrational fear are confounded. 'Islamophobia', for example. To continue this sorry trend, one need only look up abortion in Greek (the older the Greek, the better) and attach -o-phobia. Looking up on the web I came up with two of the big ones, then finally went to a decent source: http://www.lexilogos.com/english/greek_ancient_dictionary.htm . This gets stuff like ἄμβλωμα / ἄμβλωσις , ἀπόφθαρμα , ἔμβρημα , ἐξάμβλωμα . A drug to produce abortion is φθορεῖον , and procuring abortion is διαμβλώττω . It would help of course to narrow down the 'phobia' desired - is it the fear of a pregnant woman that someone will hold her down or poison her, or is it (as I suspect) the fear by someone of having it legally practiced in a community? (Or, more specifically, the fear of a husband having his child taken without his consent, contrary to the Code of Assura?) In any case, one need merely transliterate the various roots, which I shall most inexpertly, missing many nuances, do as amblōma / amblōsis , amophtharma, embrema, examblōma; phthoreion, diamblōttō. Searching I didn't find amblosophobia, amblomophobia, amophtharmophobia, embremophobia, examblomophobia, phoreiophobia, or diamblottophiba (also tried -osso-). I could very readily have missed some variation, but my guess is that you have an open field here to pick whichever one you like the best, and in ten years people may be using it to sound 'educated', and in 20 to avoid appearing politically incorrect. Wnt (talk) 17:42, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Spot on, Wnt. We've had this same "what do you call the insanity of (insert socially conservative position here)" before, recently in regard to homophobia and islamophobia. Perhaps someone can suggest a term for leftist political trolling at the wikipedia ref desks. μηδείς (talk) 20:00, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Leftist? Now, there's a seemingly simple but appallingly misused word! HiLo48 (talk) 20:50, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Says the raving Leftist. μηδείς (talk) 21:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Define raving. HiLo48 (talk) 21:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
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- Simple, lol. By definition all Leftists are raving. The political trolling per se is the problem though. We just so rarely get things like this it can be monotonous. μηδείς (talk) 03:36, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The thing is, though, that while attaching "-phobia" to "homo" and "Islam-o" carries a measure of political bias, there are people who are actually afraid of homosexuals and/or Muslims. When have you ever heard of someone being "afraid" of abortion? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:17, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It is hard to believe that there is not a feature horror film, based on some corresponding story of a few pages from H.P. Lovecraft, entitled The Abortionist. "My senses swirled about me as I giddily stumbled into that final chamber, and my unbelieving eyes absorbed the truth of Gosnell's dark rituals. My gaze darted from the minute and carefully preserved faces of the dead to the pulsing entrails of the living, but infinitely more disturbing was the thing -- how dare I speak of it? -- the proud result of all Gosnell's experiments, which looked up from its orgiastic feeding of primordial life-force to behold me with eyes, such eyes, perfect youth and vigor, infinite age and malice! Wnt (talk) 00:54, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't follow. Who is it, in that quote, who's "fearing" abortion? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:57, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- A patient at Arkham Asylum, I should suppose. If people are afraid of cemeteries, of houses where people died, why not abortion clinics? :) Wnt (talk) 01:03, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The OP asked about fear of abortion, not fear of clinics. It would be nice if he would come back here and explain just what he was trying to ask. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:15, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be a first. Trolling is even less fun than humor when you have to explain it. μηδείς (talk) 03:40, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- And Islamophobics are afraid of turbans -- more often than not, the guy they pick out of a crowd to beat up is a Sikh... Wnt (talk) 01:41, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Kind of the way acrophobics beat up cliffs and skyscrapers? The term you want is ignorant bigot, Wnt.μηδείς (talk) 03:40, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, as I suggested above, I don't see these 'phobias' as true phobias. While people can be afraid of any number of things based on prejudice, that fear is based on the prejudice and rational deduction from that premise rather than the other way around. Wnt (talk) 04:26, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Whether "true phobia" or not, I would still like to see Censored Scribe define exactly what he means by "fear of abortion". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:09, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The OP has posted a number of times to other pages since the post here. I have asked him to explain what "fear of abortion" is supposed to mean. If we don't get an answer by his next post, I recommend the entire thread be boxed or deleted as trolling. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:13, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Mental illness is not required for being a phobic - being stupid is often sufficient. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:15, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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