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Splitting of this category[edit]

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Recently, I closed a CFD discussion which included upmerging several categories into this ctegory (Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 August 12#Category:Ice hockey people from Detroit, which included several cities other than Detroit, all from the US and Canada). Unfortunately, this has mnade the category huge (over 1,100 pages). I think we need some method of splitting it - and city seems to be the way which makes the most sense. Any opinions here? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Once you get the the provincial level if you split it further you start to get trivial and non-defining categories. I personally think that state/provincial levels are about as much as you want to split before the categories stop being defining. Some categories will always just be large. -DJSasso (talk) 14:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Personally, I don't think it needs to be split and sets a bad precedent to do so ("Ontario was split, why not Birmingham, Alabama?"). For what it is worth Category:Baseball players from California is twice as big. Rikster2 (talk) 14:12, 21 August 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To be fair, I think we need to split that one, too (I didn't know about it - should we link to this discussion from places relaterd to that category?). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For the record, I disagree. The category is sufficiently descriptive and I don't think the size is an issue at all. Rikster2 (talk) 15:13, 21 August 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RFC: A wider handling of the situation[edit]

Proposal: We agree on a minimum size: any category by city and sport where we have that many entries, we allow the creation of the category. I think 100 sounds good. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:13, 29 August 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Personally, I think the defining-ness of the attribute is more useful. Nations (e.g. Canadian ice hockey players) are of clear relevance to the subjects. The 1st national subdivision level (e.g. Ice hockey players from Ontario) is less useful, but still of sufficient breadth that readers may define people in those terms. Further down (e.g. Ice hockey people from Chatham-Kent) makes us question whether that attribute really is that defining at all.
These categories are in effect identity categories. Major cities are more useful in this sense because people identify with a city in a much more meaningful way (and we define people in that manner too). It is very rare that people identify with boroughs and municipalities. SFB 18:31, 6 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.