Word up, this should probably be a GA. SN54129 11:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About GAN[edit]

Sorry that the topic (economics and business) doesn't fit very well, I put it down because it fit the best of the topics, and GAN helper didn't seem to have an option to put it under Miscellaneous (or I missed it). JML1148 (talk | contribs) 08:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:2022 Optus data breach/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Vaticidalprophet (talk · contribs) 18:50, 7 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is solid work, especially for a first stab at the GA process. I looked it over at the PR, but wasn't able to comment at the time.

The biggest issue you have is the lead. Leads are tricky and neglecting them common, but all data on how readers engage with Wikipedia consistently presents them as the most important part of the article; in mobile view, for instance, 60% of readers only see the lead and don't open any of the sections. This article is over 1700 words, but has two sentences for a lead. You easily have the content for 2-3 paragraphs summarizing the article.

There are a few other points to make, but I'll go line-through-line once the lead expands somewhat, because the prose might be too subject to change before then. Vaticidalprophet 18:50, 7 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Vaticidalprophet: Thank you for the feedback. I first created the article as a stub, and as it grew, I forgot about the lede. I'll fix that now. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 07:26, 8 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Vaticidalprophet: I've extended the lede so that it gives a good summary of the article. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 08:02, 8 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fantastic to see. Starting to comb through a little...

Lead

More to come. Vaticidalprophet 09:06, 9 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Vaticidalprophet: I've responded to everything. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 00:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good to see. I've made a few minor copyedits in the first half of the article; almost all of them are subjective/things you can feel free to revert, with the only real exception being MOS:LQ. They're just elements that stood out to me, but that would feel nitpicky mentioned in the GAN. I also placed a couple of cleanup tags when checking sources:
  • The ABC article used to support that Optus 'published information' doesn't suggest they revealed any significant information not previously known -- they make a statement, but not in any particular depth, and it's just as subjective/arguable as their other statements. Is there any evidence they released anything more than that? Otherwise, it might be better to use a different wording.
  • Do we know much about the "some cybersecurity experts" statement?
I also noticed (though didn't get to proofreading that far yet) that "SOCI laws" is given as an acronym in the lead, but the acronym is only used once in the body of the article. Does this need to be acronymed? Vaticidalprophet 20:50, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Vaticidalprophet: Thanks for the copyedit to clean up the wording. I've changed the 'published information' part of the sentence to reflect better what was said in the source, and removed the acronym. Unfortunately we don't know about the 'cybersecurity experts' part, all the source says is 'Some cyber security experts believe the account is legitimate.' JML1148 (talk | contribs) 00:04, 11 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great to see -- I've copyedited a little more towards logical quotation. I noticed while doing so that the article makes heavy use of quotes, possibly moreso than justified (e.g. some of the quoted statements are fairly routine and could be rephrased in your own words). Treasurer Jim Chalmers stated that "These new measures will assist in protecting customers from scams, and in system-wide fraud detection" seems to be a statement where you can summarize why Chalmers wanted these changes rather than just quote him on it, for instance, and Optus CEO Kelly Bayer Rosmarin apologised for the attack on behalf of the company, saying that "We are deeply sorry" seems a little obvious (shouldn't something like that be assumed to appear in the statement?). I'd recommend going through the use of quotes to see which are justified. Vaticidalprophet 09:32, 11 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've removed some of the quotes that weren't really necessary, and summarised them. Thanks for the suggestion. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 04:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Later sections

A few bullet points:

The one aspect of the article I'm most concerned about, outside of bullet points, is the coverage of Dennis Su. This is tricky -- he's a very young man and a low-profile individual, but he's nonetheless the current best-known case of someone actually trying to exploit the hack, so he does need to come up. It'll be worth keeping an eye on this section as the months/years go by; many articles about events devolve over the long term into "lists of things that happened", and as well as maintaining it to prevent that, a time will probably come where having a whole paragraph about Su isn't called for anymore.

The big phrasing that sticks out to me is "avoided jail", which is the term the news media uses, but not an accurate reflection of how criminal sentencing works in this country -- the chances of a young first offender who pleaded guilty doing what he did going to prison are basically negligible. The phrasing gives the same impression as a lot of media reporting on court cases that Su had a real chance of going to prison that he "avoided"/"got off lightly", especially juxtaposed with the mention of the extremely high but contextually theoretical maximum sentence. It's definitely worth using an alternative phrasing here, and also contextualizing what a community corrections order is (our article on probation is...terrible, but maybe not worse than nothing?). Vaticidalprophet 20:08, 13 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Vaticidalprophet: I've done all of the changes you've suggested, except the suggestions for article expansion, which I'll do soon. With Dennis Su, I changed the wording to "did not go to" jail, and removed the maximum sentence part, along with the wikilink to probation. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 07:24, 14 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Vaticidalprophet: I found something for the change of license design (a second number), but I couldn't find any RS that discussed the proof of age thing. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 10:43, 15 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's fine, JML1148! The article looks good, and I'm happy to pass it.
One thing I'd strongly recommend for this article is to take it to WP:DYK. Partially this is just because DYK is an interesting process that it's a good thing to get a sense of (regardless of whether you choose to participate in it frequently or not), and has a fairly obvious reward (main page attention), but more significantly because the search engine hits for this article have a common problem for articles made about high-profile subjects somewhat later than the peak of attention on them. The article doesn't appear on the first page of results for many related search terms (if you type exactly "2022 optus data breach" it does, but more natural search phrases like "optus leak" or "optus breach" don't), which significantly lowers its overall views. Putting articles on DYK and the front page gives them a lot of hits in a short period of time, which in situations like this increases their page ranking and views a lot -- I've had similar articles go from ~5-10 views a day to ~100-150 under that circumstance. Just a recommendation. Vaticidalprophet 17:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Vaticidalprophet: Thank you for the review, and the DYK suggestion. Would like to ask you a question - is there anything that stands out to you that could make a good hook? JML1148 (talk | contribs) 06:35, 16 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The scope of the breach is probably the biggest one for an international audience -- "nearly half the adult population" has been hammered in to Australians already, but the main page is global and a lot of people will be seeing it for the first time. Good job on the article! Vaticidalprophet 01:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the review, and the DYK advice. I'll put in a DYK nom tomorrow. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 11:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 06:03, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Improved to Good Article status by JML1148 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:17, 18 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/2022 Optus data breach; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @JML1148: Good article. But, I don't see anywhere in the source or in the article that the breach effected over a third of all Australians. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: The hook is definitely mentioned in both the article and the source. The first sentence in the lede states "...suffered a data breach, affecting up to 9.7 million current and former customers, over a third of Australia's population." The source, also in the first line, states "- about 40% of the population -". Could you please review your comment? JML1148 (talk | contribs) 07:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Guess I just couldn't find it. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onegreatjoke: Thanks for passing it. I think you need to follow the steps at Template talk:Did you know#How to promote an accepted hook to – properly pass it. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 06:51, 20 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not quite, JML1148 – that's where prep builders like me come in :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/her) 06:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]