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Edits related to "who is responsible" for bank deregulation should refer here rather than starting a whole new thread again: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Late-2000s_financial_crisis&action=edit§ion=7
Note: Republicans AND democrats BOTH contributed to deregulation and BOTH republican AND democratic presidents provided troubled asset relief. Keep this article about AIG controversy only. Thank you.
OK, I've moved a lengthy section from the AIG article into this title. I've also removed some of the more blatant NPOV issues, though a few more may still need to be dealt with. No doubt this will continue to get public attention for awhile, and the article will be edited into hopefully better shape as the situations develops further. ... Kenosis (talk) 21:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be an active attempt to blame Bush, when everyone knows it was BO & Geithner. This should be changed.151.185.60.250 (talk) 00:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
What is still missing is a section that deals with, if known, who authorized/negotiated the bonuses and who received them - level of executives, average payout, etc. Rklute (talk) 18:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Why is there a section Responses from lawmakers and another one Response from state lawmakers? Shouldn't these be merged, or am I missing something? Itsmejudith (talk)
The article cites many politicians criticizing the AIG bonuses. The article should also mention whether each of them voted for or against the bailout. Does anyone know where a list of how they voted is on the internet? Grundle2600 (talk) 13:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Here is such a source for the Senate vote. I just added it to the article. Grundle2600 (talk) 14:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
This looks like it might be the House vote, or, it might just be an amendment to the bill. I won't add it to the article without being sure. Does anyone know if this is the final vote or just an amendment? Grundle2600 (talk) 14:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
It's quite arguably irrelevant who voted for the bailout. The issue of the bonus payments is a separate one from the bailout as a whole. Nonetheless I decided to let stand the notes about who voted for the bailout and who voted against the bailout, so long as they're based upon a reliable source. As an aside, I must say it's interesting to see such virtually unanimous sentiments among legislators who otherwise hold widely disparate positions. ... Kenosis (talk) 17:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Where is the AIG response. I realize that AIG officials said nothing or very little to clarify their position but this section includes much more than appropriate under this title. Last time I checked Dana Perino does not represent AIG nor does Rush Limbaugh. Article includes a direct quote by Limbaugh promoting torturing people when he was referring to a line in the show 24. made little changes accordingly. Now being an inclusionist, I haven't deleted any content but I suggest moving those comments that does not pertain to this section to a new section on pundits comments on the AIG 2009 bounses debacle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malmaa (talk • contribs) 04:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I killed most of the bullshit Limbaugh quote because it took up more space than even the AIG repsponses and was largely irrelevant editorial bullshit and name calling. I'm still not sure if the person who put this quote up was a supporter of Limbaugh or trying to make him look bad, either way Limbaugh's viewpoints on anything past the relevant discussion (the AIG bonuses) are completely irrelevant and unnecessary, hence removed. The basis of the inclusion remains intact: Limbaugh defended the bonuses. We don't need to muddy up the page with 'rumors' he's 'heard' and who he believes to be part of the Nazi party or a Communist. If people give a fuck about any of his viewpoints, they can tune into his circus sideshow themselves. 67.98.176.66 (talk) 20:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
"Many politicians have expressed outrage at the bonuses. However, in a speech to Congress, Representative Thaddeus McCotter (R-Michigan) pointed out that many of these politicians actually voted for the bailout that funded the bonuses. [4]"
The hypocrisy of voting to fund these bailouts, and then complaining about the bonuses, is fascinating, and this should remain in the intro.
Grundle2600 (talk) 00:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm new to this discussion, but I read the "The article should cite if politicians who are criticizing the bonuses voted for or against the bailout" section above, and I must ask, why is it so controversial to mention that many of these representatives voted for the bailout? It's extremely noteworthy and encyclopedic that there's this much Congressional outrage over a provision that the virtually identical Congress approved. Yes, it's small compared to the overall bailout size, but generally speaking, if the overwhelming majority of Congress is "outraged" by a provision of a bill, it generally doesn't make it through. It is therefore of interest to new readers that many of these representatives voted for the bailout, and frankly, it just sounds like POV-pushing to try to keep that out. Just my two cents. MrVoluntarist (talk) 17:41, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
And one more thing: it's not so much the "hypocrisy" of having voted for the bailout, just the strangeness of the phenomenon (outrage over a bill their own members just approved), and it doesn't matter whether McCotter made this argument; it's relevant whether a Congressman brought it up or not. MrVoluntarist (talk) 17:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
It would be good to include some commentary from the most important international press. Itsmejudith (talk) 09:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
This is a source that probably ought to be included, as Lawrence Tribe seems to be backing off from his initial endorsement of the 90% tax bill's constitutionality. http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/economy/law-professor-who-advised-obama-says-house-aig-bill-may-be-unconstitutional/ -Toptomcat (talk) 19:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I learned of a new source that appears relevant to this article today. [1]. Part of the intro/pseudo-abstract: "Almost a year after A.I.G.’s collapse, despite a tidal wave of outrage, there still has been no clear explanation of what toppled the insurance giant. The author decides to ask the people involved—the silent, shell-shocked traders of the A.I.G. Financial Products unit—and finds ..." GRBerry 14:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
This article starts off completely biased...
"...Barack Obama voted for the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008,...[h]owever, after reading "line by line" and signing the stimulus bill that protected the AIG bonuses, Obama pretended to be shocked and outraged at the bonuses...." Pretended is linked to "crocodile tears." Regardless of the President's reaction, this language is extremely immature and throws out a very biased opinion. User:P. Musgrave 02:14, 19 September 2010
This article is not meant to show either side of the issue; only when Barack Obama said in response to the AIG bonuses. The use of the term "crocodile tears" is also inflammatory and biased according to everyone here but you. Please stop trying to edit Barack Obama's response. -OmegaflaerX —Preceding unsigned comment added by OmegaflareX (talk • contribs) 01:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
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