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Reviewer: ChrisGualtieri (talk · contribs) 05:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC) I'll take this. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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Comments: This article is fairly well-written, but has several issues. First is that it fails WP:LEAD. It also fails MINREF with the lack of inline citations. The sections include:

So much of the article is sourced to Marijan, making a possible POV issue, could you comment on this? Also, the CIA 2002 ref needs to be specific, to Volume 1 or Volume 2 for reader to account for verifiability. I'll place this on hold for now. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 18:26, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Marijan is generally used to establish timeline and not to draw value judgments or analyses. He is also an acceptable source at A-level review at the WP:MILHIST. Is there a specific claim you suspect of being POV or is that just a stab in the dark?
Balkan Battlegrounds volume indicator added per request.
You also claim the article fails WP:LEAD yet you fail to indicate in what specific way is that. Could you please elaborate?
All claims in the article are referenced - as noted above therefore the article complies with WP:MINREF. Regards--Tomobe03 (talk) 12:00, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As they are specific, they need to be cited as they are contentious otherwise and need an inline citation. And as per WP:LEAD, the article's lead does not touch upon the points in summary. From background to the prelude to the actual breakdown of the battle itself. More detail is given to this line " Most of the Bosnian Croat TO troops, formally reorganised as the Croatian Defence Council (Hrvatsko vijeće obrane – HVO) on 8 April" then any other single part of that section. It does not mention the war crimes charges. This is why it is a WP:LEAD issue. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 14:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have repeated the references now to meet your request although I fail to see how did that contribute to quality of the article.--Tomobe03 (talk) 15:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, there are two war crime charges mentioned in the article, with two sentences on either of those. There is very little detail because no trials begun and no details were released. Since you pointed this out, I certainly can summarise the four sentences to one and add it into the lead - but I trust that would violate WP:UNDUE given the level of detail available.--Tomobe03 (talk) 15:52, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it'd violate it because while information is sparse, it is a direct response to the action. Better to be concise in the lead, but some aspects deserve noting even if the coverage is short. This article is pretty good to begin with. So I don't think I'd have much flak to take from passing it, but if you really think that one sentence can't be spared... I'd let it go. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 06:06, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, a couple of sentences are already in (the lead is expanded as requested). I thought I'd point this out for future reference at WP:MILHIST A-class review, where previous peer reviews, such as this GAR are bound to be examined.--Tomobe03 (talk) 10:58, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]