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Is "Can You Handle Mine?" another album???
http://alexpolanco.wordpress.com/2006/09/17/britney-spears-can-you-handle-mine-2006/
http://www.torrentz.com/3bdb8d871f2edb8ca7f409b67fc40bd4fb8e4f63
But yes, her new look isn't particularly nice at all, and she has been behaving erratically.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 22:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
BRITNEY QUOTES " I AM GOING OUT WITH PARIS HILTON ON 4/7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
The word 'numeral' should be 'numerous' in the 'Career development' section. Lacking an account, I'm bringing this up here. - Anon
Can we change the picture to reflect her current look? I feel that we're being a bit nanny stateist here. 84.71.21.231 20:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
i think this should be in her public image section. really has nothing to do with her career.
Is Britney Catholic? If so, she might've gone wild as a run-up to Lent. — Rickyrab | Talk 23:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Catholic? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Cravenmonket 06:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
i think that beittney does all of this crap just 2 get attition!! and she oops did it again!! haha hi kt!! ily
She was brought up a Southern Baptist. 58.160.183.52 09:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there anywhere on the page where an offer by the American Hockey League's Syracuse Crunch offer of a all-expenses paid vacation to Syracruse vacation for Britney to get put in the article? I noticed there was no trivia section, although this is an interesting little tidbit that I feel would go well for the article. See an article here about it [[1]]. -An anonymous former editor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.72.124.173 (talk) 03:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
Please adhere to Wikipedia's talk page guidelines, most particularly the fact that this page is here for discussion of the article, not our assessments of Ms. Spears. As to the issue of addressing within the article her "cheese slipping off her cracker", as one editor put it, this would require cited commentary by a recognized expert in the field—whatever that is—discussing her actions and the potential effect on her career and custody of her children (the "effect" in a cause-and-effect relationship). RadioKirk (u|t|c) 13:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know specifically what ailment Britney hopes to be rehabilitated for? Alcohol? Heroin? Coke? Sex addiction? Michael Richard's "crazy racist" disease? Every news story I can find just says "rehab" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.214.123.28 (talk) 18:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC).
Gosh! first it was Daniel Radcliffe and now Britney Spears, she is not dead ok?? :O!
"Julian Marval" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.210.125.5 (talk) 20:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC).
We Need To Do Something About Constant vadalism. I checked on The Britney Spears Article and when I saw death My heart almost jumped out of my body. My grandmother has a stroke and when I told her, she was devastated. MicP GMT 6:46 Feb 23 2007
Someone keeps deleting out the details about events that have reliable sources, apparently in an effort to preserve their personal view of Spears this seems like POV.
Please don't assume that it is in "an effort to preserve" my "personal view." My view on Britney Spears is very neautral. If I keep reverting your edits it is because I find all that extra information unnecessary. We really don't need
Maybe you need to read this part a bit more carefully:
"If an allegation or incident is notable, relevant, and well-documented by reliable published sources"
Sure people talked about her beating an SUV but not as much as her going back to rehab, besides direct pictures from x17 are not a relaible source. - Myrockstar 20:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
--Wowaconia 21:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if the New York Daily news solved world hunger, they got their source from OK! Magazine which to me is very questionable. Still if that is to be included, the only ref for that would be OK! Magazine since they originally posted that story about Federline threatining to drug test her hair
This is what the sentence states "The hair has been put on sale by the owner of the salon, along with a half-drunk can of Red Bull, a Bic lighter and the clippers that were used to shave her head" No where does it say that all that was put or taken off from eBay. Who cares that it was on eBay, if anything about that matters now is that it was all put on an independant site. I'm sure over the years hundreds of Britney's personal belongings such as a chewed piece of gum have been put on sale on eBay but should we include every single one of those?
We are not a major media outlet, this is also not a tabloid journal it is an encyclopedia. Details on her tattoos are completley irrelevant and unnecessary to this whole story. By the way, who are these professional editors you speak of? And when did they find those details "worthy of inclusion"? To me it is still not justified why the inclusion of all these girls visiting that parlor and requesting Britney's tattoos is important. It looks more like a personal advertisement for that parlor. What makes no sense is for an encyopledic article to state that "she got a pair of pink lips."
Citing the pictures in x17 as a source for her attack on that SUV is not reliable even if hundreds of media outlets have picked them up, what's reliable would be an article or news report stating why they are so important. Every ref still states that even they "believe" or speculate that Britney was not allowed to see her children and as a result beat up that SUV, and as a result of that ended up back in rehab. The incidents from that night are still uncomfirmed, the only thing we know is that Federline requested an emergency hearing that for some reason or another was cancelled the next day, and that day Spears re-entered rehab.
If you keep adding so much detail that section will be as big as the entire article by the end of 2007.
And please use the SHOW PREVIEW button more often before you save your changes. Thanks
- Myrockstar 22:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia's concern is using reliable sources, the New York Daily News fits into the criteria that Wikipedia has supplied on such sources. These sources have professional editors who look out for the papers intrest so they don't get sued for liable. Wikipedia is not privy to how they gather or test there information. One of our main concerns in demanding reliable sources is to sheild us against liable charges. As sources like the New York Daily News have cited this information us citing them removes any legal stigma on Wikipedia. The fact that the national media is running the magazine's statements is obviously noteworthy in Spear's life, so it merits inclusion. If you think otherwise feel free to contact the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard which enforces all the standards on articles about living persons.
I fail to understand why you think describing what tatoos she got is unwarranted. This information is all in one sentence. An encyopledic article can state that "she got a pair of pink lips" if that's what happened and that is what actually happened. The inclusion of the information about the frenzy of people getting the same tatoos as her matches the frenzy over buying her hair. This type of information shows how much sway she has in the culture even if she is in a distressed state. One such editorial staff that included the information on her tatoos is the Fox News article that sympathetically said rehab false starts are not uncommon (the ref is cited in the article and is at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253419,00.html ). Here are just a few more examples of editorial staffs viewing the information as notable - The Denver Post of Colorado at http://test.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_5281599 The Glasgow Daily Record in Scotland at http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_headline=don-t-take-my-boys-&method=full&objectid=18669350&siteid=66633-name_page.html The International News Service, Australia http://feed.insnews.org/v-cgi/feeds.cgi?feedid=145&story_id=2659113 The Philadelphia Inquirer, PA http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/magazine/daily/16730484.htm The West Central Tribune of Minnesota http://www.wctrib.com/articles/index.cfm?id=16801
I am not citing the X17 photos as a source, I am saying that's where the copy-righted photos are if a reader wants to see them. The source of the timeline of the information is in several places in that segment including right after the sentence with the link to those photos - its the New York Daily News. If you like, I could also put in all the references I included in my last comment on this thread that speak of the same event.
Upon reviewing the citation about the bic and Red Bull, I see that your source Access Hollywood is saying that the shop is selling this. I hadn't seen that information in any of the pulitizer prize winning papers that your questioning me for using but I have no reason to doubt it. I'll go ahead and fix the paragraph as per your comments.
Questions of length are not a problem for Wikipedia see WP:NOT#PAPER. If notable events continue to occur and the page goes over 60kb then segments are moved to their own subpage and linked to from here, the main-page.
According to the history page, a separate editor reported that he was having problems with the link to the X17 site, so he dropped it. That's fine with me then, if people can't get there then the inclusion of the link is pointless and its rightfully deleted.--Wowaconia 23:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I think you are just having a case of recent-scandalities. You fail to see the bigger picture which is many more events will happen in the girls life this year alone and if we document everything with such serious detail as you do we will have an enormous article. Summary of style recommends that articles should be kept at around 30 kbs, this article is well into 70kbs. Not that there is anything wrong with that but if we hope to get the article to FA status they might see this as a problem. Someone suggested that an article noting all of Britney's controversies should be started, I think you've shown you are passionate enough to start it up. I'm sure in there you could include as many details and sources as you want.
WP:LIVING reads the following:
Information available solely on partisan websites or in obscure newspapers should be handled with caution, and, if derogatory, should not be used at all.
Not all widely read newspapers and magazines are equally reliable. There are some magazines and newspapers that print gossip much of which is false. While such information may be titillating, that does not mean it has a place here. Before repeating such gossip, ask yourself if the information is presented as being true, if the source is reliable, and if the information, even if true, is relevant to an encyclopaedic article on that subject. When these magazines print information they suspect is untrue, they often include weasel phrases. Look out for these. If the magazine doesn't think the story is true, then why should we?
On regards to her shaving her head after Federline's threat, and the confrontation at his home Is Ok! Magazine reliable at all? Even if other media outlets reported it, no one that was with Federline or Britney has made a statement about what happened. Anything else is speculation and un-reliable.
By the way, I'm questioning the title of the article "Brit freaks again as train wreck rolls on." I think this shows that the publication has some sort of agenda towards Spears.
- Myrockstar 07:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't cite OK! Magazine I cited national media who risk there companies reputation and finances if they reprint libel - its not notable that the magazine is making this claim its notable that the national media has reviewed the claim and is repeating it. These are not "partisan websites" or "obscure newspapers".
I don't understand why you think the phrase "multiple tattoos" is preferable to the description of the two tattoos. With your phrase it leaves it open to how many and where they are. With "multiple tattoos" she could have had five, six, ten, who knows. With "multiple tattoos" she could have had one on her head like Sinead O'Conner, a whole back panel, a bunch up and down her arms and legs, ones on her chest and groin, etc.
The information about the umbrella and the car is notable because it could be cited in court and she could lose any custody of her kids which would permanently significant. Tattoos are also permanent so it would seem one sentence describing them is not outrageous.
Many of the headlines chosen do seem to be geared towards selling newspapers, but it is the content of the stories that matters. Do you detect some bias in the main body of the story?
If this segment gets too big it could move to its own sub-page, but it is just as likely that she could stay in rehab, fix her difficulties and the segment could be closed by an additional sentence or two.
Is it true she attempted suicide? Toajaller3146 21:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
of course not
Why wa it a headline then? Toajaller3146 00:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
These rumors were addressed and quashed by her manager see info at http://www.teenhollywood.com/d.asp?r=143325&c=1055
Why would you believe her manager? Honestly?
Someone noted in the list of things to do before FA status can be reached that her appearance on SatC should be mentioned. She was never on Sex and the City. There were many rumors that she would make a guest appearance, but it never came to be. 69.246.165.67 23:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Alcohol was one of the things she was admitted for, but was the other drugs she entered in rehab ever stated? I suppose I'm more curious than anything. Hanzolot 05:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Not that it's true or anything but i read somwhere that she abuses drugs. I even read that she shaved her head because of drug test. Can anyone confirm this?
This article is about as long as the one on President Bush. Am I the only one who thinks this article is way too long? YellowTapedR 21:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
First of all, of course it is trivial. The stuff about her current public image can be summed up in about one paragraph. Maybe something like: In early 2007, Spears filed to divorce Federline, checked into rehab at least three times, shaved her head and was videotaped smashing a van with an umbrella.
This article goes into such depth it is embarressing. Just look at this paragraph:
"Spears announced her pregnancy via her official website in April 2005. That month she was rushed to a hospital in Destin, Florida, where she spent forty-eight hours under a doctor's surveillance.[30] On September 14, 2005, 6 lb. 11oz. baby boy Sean Preston Federline was born in the Santa Monica UCLA Medical Center in Santa Monica, California, by a scheduled caesarean section. Two days later, Spears and her son were released from the hospital.[31]"
Wouldn't it just be better to say: On September 14, 2005, Spears gave birth to her frist child in Santa Monica, California by caesarean section. ... It no longer matters that she was released two days later -- that's standard for women who undergo c-sections -- and it's also irrelevant that she was put under surveillance before giving birth, which is also common. Just my opinion. YellowTapedR 17:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Spears is a tabloid personality, and so I think that events reported widely in tabloids about her are important. Moreover, to claim that events that are widely reported in tabloids are somehow "trash" or "unencyclopedic" is a totally biased and POV judgment. Why are you more qualified to decide what has value than readers of tabloids? May I remind the editors that Spears has not released any new music in several years and is more famous than ever not because if her "work" but because of the tabloid headlines she continues to garner. Tabloid-reported events are thus absolutely legitimate for inclusion.--Agnaramasi 16:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
It was to put the controversy into one concise section and not to clutter up all the other sections. This information has been here for years. It is not tabloid, and it has impacted her image leading up to her rehab stint. The section is staying, period. You cannot delete everything up to 2003, and pretend everything else didn't happen. The driving with her son on her lap is infamous.Downdown723 16:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
It appears to me that the entire section is pushing an agenda - WP:POV. It seems that we lose sight of the overall intent of the article in a blizzard of well sourced (but cherry picked) trivia with a subtle agenda to push a biased POV of Spears. I refer to the Wikipedia policy here: Biographies_of_living_persons#Biased_or_malicious_content.
I am hardly a fan or an anti-fan - I dropped by to read an article on her but am caught by surprise by the tabloid material in an article purporting to be a Wikipedia GA featured article. I am troubled by the subtle POV pushing evident in "Public image" and "2007:personal troubles" section. Is it the intent of the Wikipedia editors to make Spears look stupid, sluttish and drug addled?
I expected this when I started editing this page - there are far too many fans/anti-fans that have taken up as self appointed guardians of Wikipedia articles. I feel that these changes are needed. --Eqdoktor 16:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Eqdoktor, you are 100% WRONG. It is written in non-POV and everything that has been reported in the media. Not rumors. We have spent countless time to ensure that the section contains fact, and not rumored material, such as tabloid. This is what the public has seen, it is what has been reported and shown. If you are picking up that Spears seems stupid, sluttish, and drug addled, then perhaps that's what you've picked up from her behavior. That's your POV. This is all true, period. We started that section for a reason. Other celebrities have scandal sections as well. Your feeling is not the feeling of the majority of readers. We have this section to also document what was happening that led up to Spears' stint in rehab.Downdown723 16:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I am removing GA status from this article as it is a big bloated mess that has far too much irrelevant information that is unencyclopedic, especially the dramatic coverage of her various rehab visits and misc uneeded information about her daily life. Please list it as a GA candidate after it has been trimmed from unencyclopedic information. Veesicle (Talk) (Contribs) 16:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Some people believe that she has courted it by cultivating, in her early years at least, a chaste, God-fearing and "wholesome" image. - Unsourced & weasel words.
This was somewhat at odds, not only with the traditional pressures, temptations and opportunities of "pop 'n' roll", but with the increasingly sexualized content of her own image and songs. - Example of poor prose.
Prompted by this, Playboy reportedly offered the star over one million USD to pose nude for their magazine, but Spears publicly declined. - Source?
On January 26, 2007, she lost her aunt, Sandra Bridges Covington, to ovarian cancer.[38] - Example of irrelevant content.
There's far more littered throughout the article. Definetely B class. Veesicle (Talk) (Contribs) 18:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Amended this to just female. [2] Male is held by Eminem 60.234.242.196 05:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
isn't it Pearl Jam
Is it me, or does the Britney Spears article look crappier than ever. Everything looks so out of place and rushed. It doesn't have the same flow and precise placement it used to have. What's going on??? —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|--Paganpoetry005 15:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)]] comment was added by Paganpoetry005 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC).
Basicly I think this person wants the whole story. Honestly, Not even i know whats going on. I dont know crap about britney, but I feel very sorry for her.
The total deletion of any details about the umbrella incident, the removal of the quote by Federline's companions on why he is not pursuing further legal action while she is in rehab and the removal of the mention of the national media running the OK Magazine report about the reason for her hair shaving makes this segment uninformative about well documented notable events reported by reliable sources. Any attempt to restore this information is deleted by people who openly confess to being her fans.
The issue in this segment is not one of people forgetting to cite references, but of people deleting information what is well sourced and documented. Please read the thread Talk:Britney_Spears#On_Deleting_reliable_sources_about_2007_personal_problems.
The article as of today has even less details than when that thread was made. Now there is absolutely no information of her incident with the umbrella and the car despite such news stories as http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/500021p-421621c.html . The information that Federline is not pursuing legal action on the condition that she stay in rehab has been deleted despite it being from this source http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/22/britney.spears.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest . Any information that she got tattoos has been deleted despite numberous reliable media references (see thread Talk:Britney_Spears#On_Deleting_reliable_sources_about_2007_personal_problems. The information that the national media is repeating the reports of OK! Magazine has been deleted, previously the article stated
Why was all of that removed anyway? Things like the umbrella, the suicide attempts, and other events seems reasonable, to me, to put it. After all, they are solid facts that are relevant to the situation. A suicide attempt is a personal struggle. If anything, removing such facts seems like fans not wanting negative events posted, which is a bias POV. All of those are relevant, and encyclopedic. Why shouldn't they be put? Black Kat 1:57, 5 March, 2007 (UTC)
On January 26, 2007, she lost her aunt, Sandra Bridges Covington, to ovarian cancer.[47]
On February 16, after weeks of publicity surrounding her late night partying[48] and alcohol use, Spears entered an off-shore drug rehabilitation facility. She stayed, however, for less than twenty-four hours.[49] The following night, Spears went to a haircutting studio in Tarzana, California. The salon was already closed but opened up at Spears's request and she subsequently shaved [50]her own hair off with clippers. The hair has been put on sale by the owner of the salon, along with a half-drunk can of Red Bull, a Bic lighter and the clippers that were used to shave her head.[51] After leaving the salon, she visited a tattoo parlor and got two tattoos. Commenting on the incident, Spears told a tattoo parlor employee, "I don't want anyone touching me. I'm tired of everybody touching me."[52][53] OK! Magazine originally reported that the incident came after Spears and her ex-husband had a confrontation. “They had a huge argument. Kevin threatened Britney that he was going to have people test her hair to find out exactly what she’s been up to. She was so scared. That was what made her have her head shaved.” This is unconfirmed by both parties.[54]
On February 20, 2007, Britney re-admitted herself to a California treatment facility. A statement by her manager read, "We ask that the media respect her privacy as well as those of her family and friends at this time."[55] Spears again checked out of the facility less than twenty-four hours later. On February 21, 2007, Federline ordered an emergency hearing regarding the custody of his children with Spears. That same night, after travelling to Federline’s apartment, Spears "lashed out at an empty car, beating the doors and windows with a furled umbrella", all of which was caught on film by a photographer. [56] Spears returned to the rehab facility in Malibu this same night.[57] On February 22, 2007, Federline's lawyer called the bailiff of Los Angeles Superior Court and told them that his client asked to cancel the court appearance on custody. No further explanation was given.[58]
On February 27 TMZ has learned Britney Spears' troubles may have little to do with substance abuse. Sources say doctors at her rehab facility think the underlying reason for her trouble may be post-partum depression.
Sources tell TMZ that Britney's doctors have two operating theories -- either that she suffers from post-partum depression or bipolar disorder. The doctors strongly believe post-partum is the problem. [1]
The entire paragraph is well cited, you can find them here.
"Over the weekend, some news outlets started picking up on rumors of Britney Spears attempting suicide at the Promises rehab facility in Malibu. The rumors are believed to have taken root after an ambulance showed up at the facility last week on Wednesday (above pix). X17 did not report on the paramedics' visit because we didn't want to create questions or concerns where none were warranted. If you read most articles on the supposed attempted suicide, most are written with unnamed sources and with direct quotes attributed to no one. We saw Britney later in the evening on the 28th, the same day we saw the ambulance, attending her first AA meeting outside of rehab. She was looking good and healthy -- far from what you'd expect someone who'd just attempted suicide to look like! She was out again the next evening for a Thursday night AA meeting, where X17 caught up with Brit exclusively. She gave us a sweet wave and a smile -- she looked great! So all-in-all, I'm not so sure I believe this story ..."
Although not as dramatic, this is how the Mariah Carey article handled her massively-tabloidecized break down, melt down whatever.
After receiving Billboard's "Artist of the Decade" Award and the World Music Award for "Best-Selling Female Artist of the Millennium",[2] Carey parted from Columbia and signed a contract with EMI's Virgin Records worth a reported US$80 million. She often stated that Columbia had regarded her as a commodity, with her separation from Mottola exacerbating her relations with label executives. Just a few months later, in July 2001, it was widely reported that Carey had suffered a physical and emotional breakdown. She had left messages on her website complaining of being overworked,[38] and her relationship with Luis Miguel was ending. In an interview the following year, she said, "I was with people who didn't really know me, and I had no personal assistant. I'd be doing interviews all day long, getting two hours of sleep a night, if that."[39] During an appearance on MTV's Total Request Live, Carey handed out popsicles to the audience and began what was later described as a "strip tease",[40] removing a large, baggy t-shirt to reveal a halter top and Daisy Dukes. By the month's end, she had checked into a hospital, and her publicist announced that she would be taking a break from public appearances.[41]
That would be a better way of where to take the section. I would agree right now it is short and doesn't provide enough information, but in no way POV. If you are going to play that "fan's don't want her lookin' bad" game, then I could easily say you're trying to implement your negative POV by adding all this trivial information and distracting from the important info. - Myrockstar 02:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
As the inclusions I have sought to make are taken from national and international media sources and deemed important enough for publication in their media, it seems odd that you claim that there is some conspiracy a foot to make Spears look bad.
The full length of additions that I attempted to make are at
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Britney_Spears&oldid=110698341#2007:_Personal_struggles I invite any interested reader to please take a look there to determine if any of that information merits inclusion. In an attempt to form consensus I did not argue for inclusion of ever fact presented there but this massive redaction that exists now is just ridiculous.
Your critique of TMZ doesn’t make sense in this thread as the only place were that is used as a source is in a different segment about her divorce or driving with her child or her lap. Your critique of someone else citing post-partum depression is bizarre as I never included that information which you would know if you bothered to click on the link that I provided above and repeat here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Britney_Spears&oldid=110698341#2007:_Personal_struggles
If you want to attack someone else’s use of TMZ as a source please do so in a different thread as no one in this thread has advocated that. Again, please review the link at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Britney_Spears&oldid=110698341#2007:_Personal_struggles for the information that I am actually calling for reconsideration for inclusion.
Your link to the Wikipedia standard “Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought” which you characterize as saying “Wikipedia is NOT a celebrity newspaper or scandal-sheet or soapbox” actually talks against using Primary (original) research, Original inventions, Personal essays, and Discussion forums – none of which am I advocating. The Wikipedia definition of Soapbox is Propaganda or advocacy of any kind, Self-promotion, or Advertising. The inclusion of the information is not designed to motivate any action at all but merely to inform, so it fails to violate the prohibition against soapboxes. The Guidelines at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons stresses using Reliable sources which were included. As the citations are all under reliable sources as per wikipedia’s guidelines I point you to the guideline at WP:LIVING that states:
Biased or malicious content
Presumption in favor of privacy
All of this behavior centers around custody of her children. This behavior will be presented before a judge in California state court. The only reason that this hasn't already happened is because Federline requested his lawyers not pursue this as long as she stays in rehab (a fact that has been deleted off the page). This information is factual, well documented, and seen by the majority of people as erratic. Had Spears not engaged in this behavior its hard to imagine the court taking her kids from their mother who has a superior income. The OK! Magazine article says that she cut her hair because Federline was going to have the custody court call for a drug test. The umbrella incident happened as a direct result of her frustration to visit her children at Federline's and her being prevented from doing so. The longterm notability of these events concern whether she will have any custody rights over the children she gave birth to.Wowaconia 12:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
If I was, as you claim, frustrated towards not getting it done my way, I'd be in an edit war not a discussion. I am not asking for everything I wrote to be included, but the meager data in the segment as it stands now is uninformative. I'm not reverting in my edits, so I fail to see why you write as if I have some sinister intent for disputing your opinion on what is and is not "too much information". Instead I am discussing the matter and awaiting the Wikipedia Biographies of living persons Noticeboard to settle the issue.
Sorry to break it to you, Myrockstar, but I don't say it to be negative. Actually, I feel bad for her and that she's going through this. Yet, at the same time, it is encyclopedic because an encyclopedia article talks about her, her life, and her career. This is a HUGE event in her life, so it is definitely valid. Something like her seen smashing a window and that was it then it would be nothing, but the fact that she's having a break down, and these are issues that have occured from it, they are relevant. Things like the umbrella, head shaving, and tattoos are events happening from her break down, and that isn't trivia. Trivia would be that her hair had been brunette before shaving it, or what exact type of tattoos she had put onto her skin. Anything that is gossip isn't encyclopedic. Anything that is big and notable in her life, that is encyclopedic. Black Kat 13:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Explain to me, how is anything of the above anywhere near encyclopedic that needs to be in Wikipedia? At best, its salacious voyeurism, at worst - its an invasion of privacy. I believe in the interest of WP:BLP such details can and should be left out UNTIL they are notable and relevant in the subject's life (in this case, if they are covered by RELIABLE (non-gossip, blog, tabloid) media in a court case). WP:BLP indicates that we should err on the side of caution. What need is there for Wikipedia to parrot tabloid style reporting immediately? Your assertion that it is: This information is factual, well documented, and seen by the majority of people as erratic is pure weasel wording (the majority of who? = WP:WEASEL) and erratic is a WP:POV biased language. Your passing judgement on something you have absolutely no privy to. "The umbrella incident happened as a direct result of her frustration to visit her children at Federline's and her being prevented from doing so." - unless you turn out to be Spear's personal physician/psychiatrist (breaking doctor/patient priveleges) that is YOUR OWN POP CULTURE amateur speculation that has ZERO PLACE in Wikipedia. Ditto with OK! Magazine's trash coverage of her behavior - pseudo speculation has no place in an encyclopedia. I'm afraid your explanation just about exposes the bias that is behind the thinking for the inclusion of such "facts" (not well sourced and speculative)
This is where the immediate nature of Wikipedia fails it - it can be updated so fast without the test of time to determine relevancy. Not only do we have to ensure verifiability, we need to exercise caution over the willy nilly inclusion of biased speculation like the above. --Eqdoktor 13:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
This page in a nutshell: Articles about items in the news are only considered encyclopedic if they are verifiably of significant lasting and historical interest and impact.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6127298.stm http://www.newszoom.com/search/latest/britney-spears/news/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=437118&in_page_id=1773 http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/entertainment/2007-03/03/content_818642.htm
The Feb. 5, 2007 claims for the marking 666 on her head has so far been made by only one magazine which Wikipedia has deemed a tabloid the story is at http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/showbiz/showbiz1.shtml
So far The Rolling Stone and an Arizona newspaper are the only wiki-standard reliable sources reprinting the claim that I could find online: http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/03/05/britney-needs-to-be-institutionalized-in-actual-institution/ http://www.azcentral.com/ent/celeb//articles/0305spears-CR.html
I personally remain unconvinced of the verifiability of these claims, but certainly The Rolling Stone repeating the claims could have a large impact on her career. As this just began to be reported I think it is prudent to wait for more sources. If someone wants to cite it placing emphasis on Rolling Stone's involvement it would be hard to argue against inclusion. If someone else chooses to do so I remind them that any citation of this information must include references in the main article or it will be deleted as per Wiki-Standards.
In response to Wowaconia: American magazines are not the only reliable source for news. Contrary to popular belief, The world is not American. --Mister macphisto 07:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Please note that I stated “I personally remain unconvinced of the verifiability of these claims… I think it is prudent to wait for more sources”. Currently the only new information on this topic was at X17 (which doesn’t qualify as a reliable source by wikistandards), who have come out against the claims at: http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/britneys_suicide_attempt_rumors_false.php
As this appears to be an issue of dueling tabloids, I would again advise that inclusion of these claims on her wikipage is not warranted due to the scarcity of reliable sources.
Britney did not attempt suicide. It was confirmed that the rumours wer false —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.25.197.19 (talk) 12:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC).
I think the Career Hiatus and Family section needs to be changed to 2005-2006. Britney was very busy in 2004 so I dont understand that. She had 2 big hits, "Toxic" and "Everytime", she went on a very successful tour, debuted a very popular perfum and released a greatest hits album with a new single. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.171.42.13 (talk) 06:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
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Thanks, Philip (philip@sternthinking.com) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sternthinker (talk • contribs) 16:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IizzCWeQSAc
They are identical to those done by Britney Spears in one of her concerts and/or videos. I cannot name the exact video but its pretty much common knowledge thats where these came from... I would like to get this added to the article but its PROTECTED... Someone with authorization please add this.Species2112 08:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Keep up the good job cleaning the article--HW-Barnstar PLS 13:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Why have you deleted stuff? the more information on a topic, the better! a long-winded page on Wikipedia? no such thing! someone interested in the article would be pleased! and if you're looking for a small piece of info, you should know how to use ctrl+F! It's shorter than Christinas now :(
"At 18, she was the youngest person in SNL history to have acting and musical performing duties on the same show, and remains the only woman to have done so."
Janet Jackson had acting and musical performing duties during the 03-04 season. I believe Jennifer Lopez did also.
Someone misspelled the word 'featured' on the section about her history. It is currently spelled "feautered". I don't know what feautered means, but it probably isn't the word the author was trying to use. The article is protected, and I'm not gonna log in and fix it, so someone else should. 151.151.73.167 23:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I'm from People Magazine. Can you please add a link in the external links section to our Celebrity Central Database at People.com ? It has a full biography of Spears (including a professionally researched timeline), the photo archive from People, and full-text links to all the articles about her which have appeared in People. The link is http://www.people.com/people/britney_spears. Thank you.
DBovasso 14:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
This is a poor title. Personal struggles was much better. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.171.42.13 (talk) 05:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC).
Again a user has changed this headng to "2007: Life after rehab," which misleadingly suggests that she must have gone to rehab before 2007. I am reverting this edit and encouraging all users to bring the discussion here before unilaterally editing.--Agnaramasi 13:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Personal struggles is improper cause we don't know WHY she went to rehab and can't say shaving off your hair is indefinitely "struggling". Many women shave their heads off! She has since been doing better so you can't say that all of 2007 was bad to her!
This page is 51 kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles. Yakuman (数え役満) 10:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the following was unnecessary and pov. It seems to be here just to show that she has no political opinion... It could maybe belong in a real, argumented section about Spears's political opinion, if one deems it necessary (which I am not sure it is).
In a September 2003 interview with Tucker Carlson of CNN, on the subject of the 2003 Iraq War, Spears said, "Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens."[39] The footage of this quote later appeared in Michael Moore's documentary Fahrenheit 9/11.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hellgi (talk • contribs) 20:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC).
I removed "Grammy Award-winning" from the intro sentence in compliance with WP:NPOV, but I see that this was restored by TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs), who writes in his edit summary that it is a "defining characteristic for a singer and should appear prominently in the lead, not in adjectival form for a song". I'd like to know what reliable secondary sources corroborate the notion that Spears's Grammy Award win was a "defining" moment in her career, and how introducing her as "Grammy Award-winning" doesn't fall afoul of WP:NPOV#Fairness_of_tone, which states "Even when a topic is presented in terms of facts rather than opinion, an article can still radiate an implied stance through either selection of which facts to present, or more subtly their organization." Terms such as "Grammy Award-winning", even if factually accurate, imply a positive point of view of a subject. Extraordinary Machine 23:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
There are several reliable sources and other venues of information that could (or have been previously added and REMOVED) be added to this article, but someone seems to be hellbent on keeping articles (this one, among others) "slim and trim" or something to th effect and its really getting annoying. They somehow feel that an extra paragraph would make the page "cluttered" or "messy".
This is WikiPedia, not WikiOpinion. The articles are NOT HERE TO LOOK PRETTY OR LOOK NEAT AS PER YOUR SAY. The articles are here for people to LEARN. Omitting valuable data in the name of "neatness" makes ZERO sense. Species2112 03:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry but I don't think scientific objectivity should be hindered by someone's personal opinion that more than 3-4 paragraphs in a subsection is "cluttered"... Sounds more like said person is too lazy to read. Someone who is sincerely interested in the article would appreciate every tidbit of information. Encyclopedic content isn't meant to be "in a nutshell"... apparently some people think it is.71.248.130.160 05:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, as it was stated earlier that someone thinks Christina Aguilera's article is cluttered and messy... Someone else might consider it informative and robust. Not here to try and argue that short and to the point isn't good, I'm here to say that the people deleting factual information just because they think its "unncessary" need to consider that other people simply might not think so. All im saying is be considerate before you delete stuff in the name of "neatness" or some other irrelevant reason. Species2112 03:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Some people just cant seem to see the light... Youre saying this article is too long, go look at World War I and World War II and then come back and TRY to complain about this article. Everything you are describing sounds like selective editing... Of all the articles on wikipedia that are WAY TOO LONG, you choose to sit around with a magnifying glass looking for ways you can strip Britney's article to nothing. It almost seems immature in its own stupid way, I take it you either don't like Britney or have a problem with people who like celeb stuff? Always seems to be a few people who come back to the SAME STUPID ARTICLE every day when there are thousands of other articles they could be looking at nitpicking... Apparently there are ulterior motives, and it just needs to stop in the best interest of Wikipedia. Species2112 05:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree completely with those sympathetic to an inclusionist approach to this article. First, the idea that Wikipedia:Recentism justifies "bold" editors to delete large swaths of content that do not accord with their point of view of what constitutes "historical significance" is very mistaken. Boldness cannot be used to justify actions that clearly violate wp:consensus. WP:recentism is clear that removal of content must be carried out cautiously by consensus, not indiscriminately or unilaterally, especially given that there are editors with many different perspectives on what in this article may or may not count as historically important. Furthermore, history means many different things to many different people, and the plurality at the core of the narrativizing of history must be respected. I find user:Species2112's suggestion above that a single bold user could be the sole arbiter of what constitutes the threshold of historical significance for this article's content insulting to that plurality, and specifically, to the users who are voicing their concerns here right now. In any case, it is absolutely clear that any removal of sourced content must proceed according to wp:consensus.--Agnaramasi 06:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
This isnt that great of a title. I think it can be improved.
This is a poor title. She already has developed her career before 2001 so there is no reason to write that. Soapfan06
She had a lot of good news career wise from 2001-2003. The top being another #1 album and voted the most powerful celebrity 2002. Spears needs a section about that AND her personal problems like the split with Timberlake. That was HUGE in her life. Soapfan06
What's with the small font on this page?
I don't recall seeing m/any other wiki pages with such a small font. It makes the whole article very difficult to read without changing browser settings.
Can it be changed perhaps?
Alism 18:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Props to whoever changed this to a more readable font.
Alism 20:01, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
A lot of the dates on this article is mentioned using the 4 seasons. eg: Britney's new album is due to release in summer/fall of 2007. This system can be very confusing for people who lives in the southern hemisphere where the seasons are opposite to the northern hemisphere.
Probably using Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 would be better to avoid confusion. Q1 = january - march | Q2 = april - june | Q3 = july - september | Q4 = october - december
Spears has sold over seventy-six million albums worldwide according to TIME magazine.[3] The RIAA ranks Spears as the eigth best-selling female artist in American music history having sold 31 million albums.[4] 2007: Personal struggles In January, Spears lost her aunt Sandra Bridges Covington after a long battle with breast cancer and with whom she was very close.[64] Perhaps ... Spears' aunt, Sandra Bridges Covington, to whom she was very close, died in January after a long battle with breast cancer. 122.167.130.135 21:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)