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Just noticed the photo has been changed for about the 50210951th time in the last year... ho hum... :) Taras 00:12, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Removed from the subject page: Edinburgh's building layout is a little unusual compared to a lot of cities, this is most likely due to the fact that it has grown slowly for centuries. The difference is that in standard human geography the structure of cities is based on concentrict circles, with a central financial/retail district, an outer industrial district and a middle residential district with out of town shopping malls located outwith the city limits (at least to start with). Edinburgh, however, is much better described as a large number of villages and towns that have slowly merged and left a pattern of greens, high streets and residential areas sprawlled throughout the city, with the little industry that Edinburgh has being mostly located in Leith (and more recently South Queensferry). Some areas were originally developed solely as residential area, such as Craigmillar with it's tower blocks and terraced housing, however without the large out of town shopping parks and the lack of large roads or mass transit (other than buses) these areas have degenerated into slums and are now being redeveloped along the lines of the rest of the city.
This is surreally wrong (except for Craigmillar being a slum). Apart from the oddity of having a couple of mountains within its limits, Ediburgh is very usual of its type. Almost an archetype.
Where does the idea come from that, as is suggested here, the zoned layout of post-world-war-II US towns is "standard human geography"?
Look at london... it has a central financial and retail district surrounded by housing (and in London's case miles and miles of surburbia ouside of _that_ to support the large business district in the center, though in London's case most of the Industrial areas are blobs in the suburbia or (historically) along the river Thames. How about Paris? Central business and retail district (granted a lot of tourist industry too) surrouned by residential with industrial area beyond that (those more in the center are slowly shifting outwards... Newcastle? central business and retail surrounded by residential (some old industrial stil extant, but slowly moving outwards) with more industry at the mouth of the Tyne that is slowly being replaced by tourist attractions as industry moves out of town... Ages of London, Newcastle and Paris... prolly getting on for as old as Edinburgh. Tokyo is an example that bucks the trend with light industry and residential being relatively mixed but it still has a distinctly retail, business and financial center... St. Andrews; mixed center of retail and residential with industry further out (though the majority of housing is outwith the center but nearer than the industry stuff... and your counter examples would be??
I must say though that your description is, though complimentary to mine (since it only really describes the center of town), much better written, I'm much better at the delivery of content and the minor corrections than editting :) - *<:@)
Actually, I believe that London is sometimes noted in urban design textbooks as a prototypical example of a city which has grown up out of a bunch of merging villages! Doops 23:47, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
Exactly. Older British cities certainly do NOT conform to the "concentric" model. London does now have a central "business/residential" district - but it did not start out that way! Read Peter Ackroyd's book "London: A Biography".
In Edinburgh's case the "Old Town" started as a residential area, before more or less emptying in the 19th/early 20th C, and now after "gentrification" is now becoming a desirable residential area once again. The "New Town" was originally residential but later became the home of banks and other businesses. Outside this area was industrial; further out still are the modern council and private estates.
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The following strikes me as point of view — how would people feel about cropping it a bit?
The street layout, typical of the old quarters of many northern European cities, is made especially picturesque in Edinburgh, where the castle perches on top of a rocky crag, the remnants of a dormant volcano, and the main street runs down the crest of a ridge from it.
– Kieran T (talk | contribs) 10:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I suspect the pronunciation is just going to keep getting changed, because everyone has different accents. Should it perhaps just be removed? I mean, I have a Scottish accent, but it's fairly angicised (long story), so I pronounce it edin-buh-rah, as do a lot of people here. Some Americans would pronounce it edin-burh, and Renata suggests edden-breh. It's wholly subjective... opinions? -- Taras
A friend of mine studying linguistics tells me the complete opposite is true, i.e. that phonetic representations are written completely differently according to regional accent. According the phoneme page phonemes vary across languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zombywuf (talk • contribs)
I'd agree that there are two acceptable pronunciations here; ED-in-bruh and ED-in-burra. I'd change the page to reflect this, but my knowledge of IPA is poor. I'm guessing that it would be "/ɛdɪnˌbərə/"? --Spudtater (talk • contribs) 17:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC) (edited by Blisco to use Template:IPA)
What is a resident of Edinburgh referred to as? Ie, Berliner, New Yorker...
Somewhat relevant to the article, but I'm asking mostly because I cannot find what it is.
Edinbuggers", so it's kind of on both sides of the age-old feud. --Finlay 18:54, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC):A oerson
A person from Edinburgh is an Edonian. 22nd April 2005
On a connected note, what classes as a resident? Surely someone who is residing there, rather than someone who did reside there? I take umbridge that Sean Connery is mentioned as being a resident when he lives in Spain, and has done for a long time.
If you are born, brought-up, and start your adult working life in a city, but then move elsewhere (in Connery's case London, Holywood, Bahamas, Malaga etc) you do not suddenly stop being from that city. Connery is not mentioned as a "resident", he is mentioned as somebody from Edinburgh.
Secondly, I am from the city and I (and people around me during my upbringing) always referred to myself and others as Edinburghers. To me the term is very natural and straighforward, as is the spelling burgh. I have never heard of "Edonian" nor a variant spelling "Edinburger" (that just looks downright weird and foreign).--Mais oui! 18:20, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm changing this section to the more conventional "Other names". Additionally, I can find no evidence for "Embro", and only one archaic reference for "Edina". I'm moving "Embra" to the end to reflect its relative importance. --Air 14:49, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
And in Tom Stoppard's Jumpers, a character describes Edinburgh as the Reykjavík of the south... Doops | talk 5 July 2005 01:13 (UTC)
I think the Latin for Edinburgh is actually "Edina"; "Edinensis" sounds like the adjectival form, meaning "of Edinburgh", so would indeed appear frequently on public buildings (eg. "the city/citizens of Edinburgh"). Could anyone confirm this? I haven't got time to look it up just at present. Blisco 08:10, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I've made a image request of a plaque in this city, hopefully a resident of Edinburgh or someone passing through will be able to fulfill it:
--Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 03:26, 2005 Feb 10 (UTC)
Removed the line "In French, Edinburgh is known as Edimbourg". This is true, but I see no reason why it should be included unless we are also willing to include the Spanish "Edimburgo" and heaven knows how many others.
I'm lothe to remove external links unless they are highly inappropriate, however I'm unsure of this one. An external link was added today that points to a blogger site that, as far as I can tell, is being used to reproduce news about Edinburgh. Should it stay or should it go? My instinct says that it is inappropriate in the context of an online encyclopedia. --Colin Angus Mackay
Could someone provide details on the tourist numbers to Edinburgh. Is the value that the population of Edinburgh increases by 1.5 to 2 million during the festival correct? Is there really upto 2.5 million people in Edinburgh all at once? --Colin Angus Mackay 14:34, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
According to the bbc [1] "1.134 million foreign tourists visited the city in 2005 - up 194,000 on 2004." This falls someway short of the 13 million quoted in the article. --dash9000 16:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
According to the Encyclopedia Britannica (see [2]) Edinburgh became the capital in 1437. Of the sources that I found stating 1492 they were obvious derivations from Wikipedia (i.e. sentences were copied verbatim). Can anyone confirm the actual date? --Colin Angus Mackay 21:49, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I see no reason why this should be a separate article, except as an excuse to stick the navigation template, which some people hate, on. I was hoping someone else would merge them if I stuck the merge templates on, but this hasn't happened. --MarSch 08:53, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Gordon Brown, the current chancellor of the exchequer, was Rector of Edinburgh University and Chairman of the University Court between 1972 and 1975. From 1976 to 1980, Mr Brown lectured at Edinburgh University. Is this worth mentioning?
I resized one image and removed Image:Edinburgh And The Firth Of Forth.jpg to try and improve the page format. The image isn't bad, but the page is not large enough to support so many images. If somebody can find a place to put it that keeps the article flow, then feel free to add it back in. --GraemeL (talk) 16:57, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Using WP:EL as a basis I have made a major cull of this articles external links. There was a large number of links to individual tourist sites (theatres, museums, ...), plus other minor interest sites. In cutting down to two main links (official tourist info and the council website) along with mapping and wikitravel I think we are a lot more focussed and useful. The tourist info site points to the sites previously listed here. Any comments? Thanks/wangi 12:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Guys, are you really sure you want to keep the underexposed photo? In its current state, I'm pretty sure it won't achieve feature status - no offence to the photographer. It's clear he was working in difficult lighting conditions, and may not have had a tripod or even control over exposure. - Samsara contrib talk 06:30, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the lists of schools could be moved out to a List of schools in Edinburgh article. With it in here its just a massive list of redlinks filling up the bottom of the page. Any thoughts? ::Supergolden:: 17:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the Glasgow article had information about the transport in the city, wouldn't it be an idea for the Edinburgh article to have the same? As I live in the city I'll be able to quite a bit of info. Shaun Mcdonald 2006-03-14
I don't want to upset anyone, and I don't mean any disrespect at all to the people that took them, but is there any chance that this page could have better images on it - that are maybe slightly brighter and more inspiring. When you look at the pages for the likes of Auckland or Melbourne, they are stunning. I know the article isn't meant to be a tourist advert, but there are loads of good images of Edinburgh on Commons. Apologies again Globaltraveller 20:25, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Well there are some fairly good/bright ones that just add a bit of colour. The street scene image in the article, the view across to the Old Town, and the view of Edinburgh Waverley just seem a bit too dark. Is it possible for some of the images to be made a bit bigger, without compromising the layout of the article?
Globaltraveller 19:22, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
There has recently been a sentence added about the brass cobbles in the Royal Mile, with reference to their marking out the position of the old city wall. I know this is true of some of them (certainly for the Netherbow Port), but I always believed that at least some of them, around the site of the Tolbooth, marked gallows points. Is this true? If so, the article should mention that the cobbles have multiple significances. As an aside, but as evidence of the theory at least having some likelihood, I do know for sure that the cobbles on Braid Road had the gallows-marking meaning. Kierant 23:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
There appears to be a discrepancy between this article, which states ' Edinburgh is the second largest financial centre in the United Kingdom after the City of London', and the Wikipedia article on Leeds, which states 'Leeds has … the largest media, financial and legal sectors outside London'. Thus, which city can rightfully claim to have the second largest financial sector in the United Kingdom after the City of London? I haven’t been able to confirm this either way. --Nicholas 14:17, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I didn't want to just dive in to change this without first checking with regular editors of Edinburgh pages, but it seems odd: the Edinburgh article—and the separate list of hospitals—refer to the non-existent (and long-winded) page title, Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh at Little France. However, there is already a page, Edinburgh Royal Infirmary. It is out of date, but I don't understand why it is not the one linked to; it only needs a sentence to update it. If nobody objects, I'll update it and change the links. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 09:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I have found a more reliable source for place-name meaning of Edinburgh. Maybe this should be mentioned?? --Sunfazer | Talk 12:24, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I've recently edited a few sections, trying to cut down on some areas that seem to be taking up a lot of space - like the Famous residents section. I've added a rough section on Transport -linking to another article, as this has been missing up until now. The thing is there is still lots that could (and probably should) go into this article - a section on culture maybe (including information about all the Festivals etc) and a section on Landmarks/Tourist attractions, but the article seems to me to be too long as it currently is, without these other quite crucial missing sections. Which brings me to the question is there really a need to list all the Foreign Consulates in Edinburgh on the main article? (I notice other cities don't do this), or famous residents - as this only seems to take up valuable space? Am I being paranoid? Thoughts....anyone? Globaltraveller 18:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I've put the foreign consulates in another article, with a link under See Also. I don't think there was much point in having them on the main article. I definitely think the culture/tourist sections should be posted into the article, they will get rid of the lists at the bottom of the page. Go for it! Globaltraveller 16:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
A contributor wanted to add "Embra" as a nickname for Edinburgh to the page's infobox. I reverted this, perhaps unfairly, on the ground that the current names shown appear in print, whereas "Embra" seems to be modern slang (correct me if I'm wrong) and therefore not of similar status. It didn't help that the contributor ditched "Edina" as part of the same edit. I grew up near the Edina Printworks and was/am therefore familiar with Edina Street and Edina Place. I must admit, however, that I've never heard the name (coined, I believe, by Burns in one his more pretentious moments) pass anyone's lips, and it does seem obsolete today, if indeed it ever had any currency. "Auld Reekie", on the other hand, is historical and found in many printed sources, as is "Athens of the North" which still occurs in tourist and promotional literature. The question is, should "Embra" be added to the end of the list along with the bracketed gloss [mod. slang]? Does anyone out there actually say it? It could be that I am as out of touch as the judge who once famously asked, "Who are the Beatles?" Kim Traynor | Talk 01:10, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
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Appears to need a history section. The etymology and alternative names also seem excessively long for an article of this sort. Walkerma 05:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC) |
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