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Huh... Am I the only one who things the article should mention the route of the train? --79.211.215.168 (talk) 11:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody explain "granger"? The dab page the link goes to is no help at all, because it doesn't even mention a railway term... TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 19:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From the article:

The Golden State route had the disadvantage of having a weak connecting and somewhat over-extended granger line (the Rock Island) serving farmland shippers, combined with the prosperous (and dominant) Southern Pacific who also had the Overland Route from San Francisco to Chicago as almost direct competition.

by which is meant the Rock Island line, a nickname for the Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad. The Rock Island term is explained in the first sentence of this article. A definition for granger can be found on wiktionary, meaning a member of a Grange (or the Grange), in turn, meaning rural or agricultural. Is that sufficient? It might be noted that both the Rock Island route and the Overland Route went through rural areas between Chicago and California, but the sentence implies that the Overland Route had service to larger cities and trains were able to travel faster upon it, since they would not have to contend with short segments of heavily switched single track and interference with agricultural crop freight trains upon them. Pedro Xing (talk) 05:58, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I had tagged the article for extensive cleanup. Here's why:

• The article contains too much information (highest points of other rail lines, roster facts, rail line histories, etc)
• Too many short paragraphs, less generalization
• Non-constructive listing of the train's length in terms of time and distance, the train's consist, and schedule
• Minor details such as the fonts, pro/con details, other railroads' "brands" (like the passenger car series of ATSF and NYC)

Ctempire (talk) 20:10, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed these tags, since they're ten years old. Feel free to reapply any that you still feel are relevant (with updated reasoning), User:Ctempire. CapnZapp (talk) 13:30, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]