GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 02:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Nice article, sorry it had to wait so long. But this needs copyediting, according to my comments below. I go section-wise in my comments.

Lead

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Terminology

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History

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Digambara monasticism

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Śvētāmbara monasticism

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Initiation

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Rules of conduct

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Monastic ranks

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Chaturmas

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As you can see we need a lot of copyediting. Go carefully through all the issues. Good luck! Sainsf <^>Talk all words 02:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Capankajsmilyo: I saw just now that you have been working on the issues. Good. I have struck out the resolved issues. Please work on the copyedit issues first, and let me know if you want me to do something there. Sainsf <^>Talk all words 16:42, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Urgent updates

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@Capankajsmilyo: Hi. You have indeed worked hard to improve the article. However, in the course of reviewing this article I have come across some major issues and this might lead to failing the article unless they are responded to and resolved soon.

Please respond to this soon so that we can discuss what to do about the article. @जैन: You may also help here. Sainsf <^>Talk all words 12:16, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have just checked, and the copyvio issues are real and serious. The problematic material was added from this cited source by User:Bhavin169 on February 20, 2012, as can be seen here. (The jainworld site is copyright 2011, so I seriously doubt they copied us.) All of the material has to be removed (over 5500 of 8000 bytes still remain), and I have just done so; the article is significantly shorter, and far from a GA level given the sourcing issues and the holes left by the information that's no longer there. I'll also be pinging Nikkimaria to check my work, and see whether anything else needs to be done, including checking Bhavin169's other edits—fortunately only a couple of dozen—to see if other material has been copied into other Wikipedia articles. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:24, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That is sad for the article. I should have checked for copyvio earlier. Capankajsmilyo, the nominator, should do something about this soon. Given such a serious issue, I believe the nominator should respond or at least leave a note on what he plans for the article within a week from now. If we get no response, I shall have to fail this article. Sainsf <^>Feel at home 04:40, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have already requested GOCE for copy edit. Will add sources for verification asap. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · ) 04:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Capankajsmilyo Please do not panic. I am trying to help with the copyedit, help from the GOCE would also be appreciated. Meanwhile, please try to add more credible material to the article. The article is not going to be failed till we are working on improving it. Good luck! Sainsf <^>Feel at home 04:52, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You should also be aware of the procedures for copying from one article to another - only a couple sentences here, but still worth proper attribution. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:13, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Review

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A lot of changes have been made in the article, and it is substantially different from what it was. Can you please have a look now @Sainsf -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · ) 13:53, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Capankajsmilyo: Thanks for the update. I will take a look later today, a bit busy at the moment. Sainsf <^>Feel at home 13:54, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments: Sainsf <^>Feel at home 18:06, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • In addition to the five Great Vows and five regulations, Śvētāmbara ascetics observe three restraints.
  • The Three Restraints (gupti) are restraint of mind (managupti), speech (vacanagupti) and body (kayagupti).
  • To become an ascetic, a rite known as diksha is performed. Diksha marks a formal change from householder to an ascetic.
  • Nuns and Śvētāmbara male monks wear white clothing with few seams.

Copyvio concerns

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Sainsf, Capankajsmilyo, I discovered this morning that this nomination had disappeared without being either passed or failed, and in tracking down what happened, discovered that Capankajsmilyo is the center of a major and very serious copyvio investigation—serious enough that a final warning has been issued. Nominations cannot be simply removed—I've explained that to Ms Sarah Welch, who removed it—but given that Capankajsmilyo has, as a first priority, about a hundred articles to go through and check for copyvios, I don't see how this review can proceed at the present time. So, rather than restoring the nomination, I put a "FailedGA" template in its place. I thought it was the best action to take, and the article can be renominated after all the copyvio issues in those articles have been dealt with, along with the remaining issues raised above.

Sainsf, this ultimately is your review, so if you believe it should be continued under the circumstances, you can certainly restore the GA nominee template to the article's talk page and continue. I apologize in advance if you feel I have not proceeded as you would have wanted. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset: I came to know of this AN discussion just now. Thanks for informing me. Yes, this nomination should have been failed, and I am afraid we will have to check for paraphrasing in the two I recently promoted, Digambara and Mahavira. I will have no objection if these two are delisted. I never imagined I could come across something as serious as this, we reviewers presume some good faith and understanding of the policies when nominators come to GAN. Sainsf <^>Feel at home 16:02, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]