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Dear Amdin, Of course I'm the one who sets up that page about myself. For me, it's not important to be in the Wikipedia Article pages, but it's very practical in order to inform people who are interested in my work. My name have been in the German Wikipedia for 4 months and in the french Wikipedia too (look at the links, please). If you look in my userpage, you perhaps will understand why it's practicle for me to have a article too: so I can refer for the official questions on the "Jean-Pol Martin" article and communicate about projects in my userpage! Thank your for your understanding!--Jeanpol 05:22, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Prof. Dr. Jean-Pol Martin is a very special person and I think, that he should have a place in the Wikipedia article pages. I‘m student at KSFH München (social work) and Prof. Martin is my lecturer (and I’m proud about it). This term I had the internet-project „Internet- und Projektkompetenz". A group of students (me aswell) went to Salerno/Italy to collect informations about social problems in the Southern part of Italy and put afterwards the reports and informations in different homepages. In autumn 2005 we’ll present our results at the university Eichsätt. We always stayed and stay still in touch with Prof. Martin via email and in so called „Foren“ with group-discussions. There is now a good connection to the university of Salerno. A group of students with their lecturer will visit in autumn 2005 the KSFH München and the university Eichstätt and Prof. Martin. The communication, information and knowledge network (exchange of experiences, know-how and interchange of views) is very important for us students. The internet is very useful for the contact with other students, universities and. Prof. Martin transmitted me how to use the internet (and Wikipedia-Encyclopedia) to come fast on informations. (user: Gabriele, 31rst July 2005)
I understand very well. Wikipedia is a very, very, very serious thing! And people who works there are very, very, very serious too! As a scholar and scientist, I have to be quick and see network-opportunities for the future. I have to be inventive "speedy and networky". Anyway I can use my userpage...--Jeanpol 05:56, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
One thing I don't understand in Wikipedia: if I'm not notable, nobody will try to find my name and my article is not disturbing. If I'm notable, a lot of people will be satisfied to get informations about me. Why is the Wiki so burocratic? On the one side, an article can help a lot, on the other side, he can not disturb! Strange Wikipedia-Logic! --Jeanpol 06:12, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
If somebody wants to help me and is looking for more informations, here the "offocial" article in the German Wikipedia: Jean-Pol Martin, and here further informations: LdL-homepage
Actually, I don't understand this debate. Indeed, in the German and French Wikipedia others have written the article on Jean-Pol Martin. So this does respect the Wikipedia guidelines. Since I've always understood the English version of Wikipedia not as a version for native speakers of English, but for the entire world, there should be no problem in adding an English version of the entries on Jean-Pol Martin. As a scholar interested in didactics methods at university I can say that Jean-Pol Martin is without a doubt one of the most important personalities in the area of didactic methods -- at least in a number of European countries. -- sinatra 10:56, 29 July 2005 (CEST)
Mr. Jean Pol Martin is well known, not only at the university, but also in several projects. For example his method "Teaching by students or pupils" is so well known and accepted, that the Baverian Ministry of Education changed the school regulations to allow "Learning by Teaching" at all types of schools. It is part of the Modus21-Project. Mr. J.P. Martin is advicing teachers at many schools. [Comenius]
Prof. Dr. Jean-Pol Martin is a very special person and I think, that he should have a place in the Wikipedia article pages. I‘m student at KSFH München (social work) and Prof. Martin is my lecturer (and I’m proud about it). This term I had the internet-project „Internet- und Projektkompetenz". A group of students (me aswell) went to Salerno/Italy to collect informations about social problems in the Southern part of Italy and put afterwards the reports and informations in different homepages. In autumn 2005 we’ll present our results at the university Eichsätt. We always stayed and stay still in touch with Prof. Martin via email and in so called „Foren“ with group-discussions. There is now a good connection to the university of Salerno. A group of students with their lecturer will visit in autumn 2005 the KSFH München and the university Eichstätt and Prof. Martin. The communication, information and knowledge network (exchange of experiences, know-how and interchange of views) is very important for us students. The internet is very useful for the contact with other students, universities and. Prof. Martin transmitted me how to use the internet (and Wikipedia-Encyclopedia) to come fast on informations. (user: Gabriele, 31rst July 2005)
Hey, Cool Guy!
I don't understand your rules. The sense escapes me! Why is nobody allowed to write articles about their own work? You should be thankful for people, who write articles (for free) about their projects. Nobody can explain those better than that person, who is actually doing it. What use is it for example, when I explain, what the president thinks about his own election manifesto, when one has the chance to hear it from the president himself?
Jean-Pol-Martin is a great professor, who is in steady contact with his students. He helps many people to get out of the passive student-behaviour and become an active person with the wish to better their surroundings. We owe him much! In addition to that he tells every student and collegue, how important Wikipedia is, because it is essential to share knockwledge and to work together. He really is a great "promotion" for you.
Besides, as Mr. Martin says: Everybody, who is not interested in his work, can just ignore his articles. But in the german wikipedia he is among the most important pedagogues.
Well, if you still have a problem, then I can just put the article about JPM into the wikipedia. But in my opinion, you should just change the rules. (Birgit Bauer: Student at the university in Munich) 2nd of August, 10:39
@Joachim, Wolfgang, Gabriele and Birgit. Great!!! At the moment I'm in France (internetcafe), reading your texts! What a great feeling for me! Thanks a lot!!!!
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well, I have to admit that I can understand the wiki rules very well. I would not like to be an administrator if I had to check every article about every other person who thinks they are important. on the other hand the admins should try to put some research into people who are "allowed" on other wikis, like jpm. I followed the discussion on the french wiki and in the end the admins there were convinced of his "notability". why don't you just check there? you will find that he is not just notable, but indeed a more important person than many of those who have their articles here. (jkd - teacher inspired by jpm)
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Please tell us which decision you made...--Jeanpol 08:09, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
@Cool guy: by the way: you are blending two things which are not linked: the discussion about the article about me and my contributions to WP-articles. The article about me is justified, because I'm "notable"!;-))) Not because I'm working on WP-articles! ;-)) Sigmund Freud has got an article, but he don't works on any article at all, because he is died! ;-))--Jeanpol 05:29, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
@cool guy: jeanpol has contributed to articles that are not directly related to his own method on German wikipedia. Besides, there are ways to contribute to Wikipedia other than writing articles. (Contributions to discussions are also valuable, and some people never write much but only go troll and vandal-hunting.) As you say, I am sure Jeanpol has a lot to contribute.--Fenice 10:02, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
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Not that I want to give a formal acceptance of the presence of this article, I must say that LdL is known to many teachers and already has its own article. The person that developed the idea is notable (just check Google), and the fact that he has helped write it is not against the rules. Yes, it's a little frowned upon, but he is certainly the expert on the topic and there are plenty of us to check for bias. I'll add it to my watchlist so that I can monitor it too.
I'm going to remove the questioned notability tag – if anyone disagrees then I suggest that they go through the standard VFD process. violet/riga (t) 11:15, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
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Hallo coolguy, I'm a little surprised (it's not important, I just want to understand the WP-rules better! ;-)): you delited following text by me:
":Regarding "there are plenty of us to check for bias": I don't won't to modify the article at all. I just think that it's a big help for WP-Users if they are looking for my name in connection with "Learning by teaching" and they find it. Anyway: thanks for removing the tag and improving the article!--Jeanpol 17:16, 5 August 2005 (UTC)"
I thought, it's not usual to delite text from other users, isn't it?--Jeanpol 06:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I am sorely troubled by the articles Jean-Pol Martin and Learning by teaching. These articles (and others) have been placed in WP by Dr. Martin himself, under the name User:Jeanpol, thus violating some basic precepts of WP. These articles seem to be linked to each other in the "See also" section. There has already been some comment about these articles, but it seems to have lapsed, and meanwhile they continue to exist. Could you kindly take a look and suggest a course of action? Sincerely,GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
This page at Google Scholar may be helpful. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:10, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
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1. 1984: Bayerisches Fernsehen: Aus Forschung und Lehre
2. 1992: Bayerisches Fernsehen: Aus Forschung und Lehre
3. 2002: DER SPIEGEL: Guten morgen liebe Zahlen
4. 2004: Reinhard Kahl: Treibhäuser der Zukunft. Wie in Deutschland Schulen gelingen., 3-DVD-Set mit Booklet, ISBN 3-407-85830-2.
5. 2008: ZEIT-online: Schüler als Lehrer
6. 2009: GEO WISSEN: Nr. 44 - 11/09 - Die ideale Schule Jeanpol (talk) 12:41, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
7. 2018: Olaf-Axel Burow & Stefan Bornemann. Das große Handbuch Unterricht & Erziehung in der Schule. Carl Link 2018.Jeanpol (talk) 06:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Am unclear what rank or role Martin had at Eichstaett. A search of their website does not find him. Jytdog (talk) 01:46, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
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I was "ausserplanmäßiger Professor", something like "supernumerary Professor", or perhaps "associate Professor". My job was on the university and I teached in a class at grammar school in order to keep in contact with the practice and in order to test and develop my method not just thinking and theorysind, but doing (empirical, action research)! Jeanpol (talk) 04:07, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I retired 2008. At that time nobody had a curriculum online. Everything (for instance the program-book from the university) were print and not online. As I applicated, I allways send printed curriculum vitae. The only proof I can send you, is the official document from the university about my retirement, with Titel (Professor Doktor) and the date of retirement (2008). I don't exactly know why you need such documents or CV. Just in order to write "Professor" instaede "instructor"? I defenitly was not "instructor", but Professor for Frenchdidatics, with an collaborator-team and funds for my researches. Perhaps you can send your email-adress to me (jpm@ldl.de) and y send you the retiring-document. But if not, it doesn't matter. People who know me in Germany know, that I'm professor. And for our purpose ("Learning by teaching") it's not important to know whitch position I had in Eichstätt.--Jeanpol (talk) 03:20, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
The only reason I'm so willing and so happy to have a very good page about "Learning by teaching" in the Englisch-WP is, that a lot of people worldwide are interested in this method. Did you see, that the English-WP-Page from "Learning by teaching" has 100 views in a day? So you contributed really to make the world a better place. Because "Learning by teaching" make students more competents and more happy! And you have hugh improved the page!Jeanpol (talk) 03:49, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
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I retired 2008, not 2007.Jeanpol (talk) 07:58, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
talk I'm glad you discover my biography. As you see, I don't shelter anything. If you read my article "Learning by teaching: conceptualization as a a source of happiness", you will see, that I develop the Neuron-Behavior. So I'm behaving. Are you able to read my biography in German? Jeanpol (talk) 04:23, 10 June 2018 (UTC)