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Do people really feel the need to vandalize John Wayne? Shame on them for defacing such a revered American hero!Here, Have Some Of My Germs (talk) 20:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
So the article is protected, and patent nonsense in the article (such as an alleged career-changing injury at a place--the Wedge--that didn't exist at the time of the alleged injury) is allowed to remain unchallenged. This is not a good policy. How many other fabrications are allowed to remain in this article because it is protected? For example, given Waye's successful efforts to dodge military service during WWII, is the claim that he attempted unsuccessfully to enter a service academy documented (as with a photocopy of his application), or merely based on verbal assertions?Drwin808 (talk) 01:57, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
In one section, this article states the cause of death was stomach cancer; later, it states he had lung cancer from a heavy smoking habit. Was the lung cancer primary and then metastasize to the stomach? A clarifying edit would be helpful to resolve this apparent contradiction for the reader. JGHowes talk - 02:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Although the 41% incidence of cancer in the cast and crew is very close to that of the general population,[61]
The statistic quoted is for *lifetime* risk. As the cast and crew were, in general, adults at the time of filming, a lifetime risk statistic is *irrelevant* to their *subsequent* cancer incidence.
At the risk of beating a dead horse, let me be absolutely clear. Lifetime risk includes the risk of being diagnosed with cancer during infancy, childhood, etc. As those periods of the lives of the cast and crew had passed by the time filming occured, their risk of cancer had correspondingly diminished.
You cannot use lifetime cancer risk as a comparison for cancer incidence after a common exposure for adults. The appropriate comparison would be to the actuarial tables for cancer risk based on the median age of the cast and crew.
Using lifetime risk is not an acceptable approximation, especially in this case in which the two figures are coincidentally so similar, as it is horrifically misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hilaryholz (talk • contribs) 19:25, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Hilaryholz (talk) 19:28, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Why is there an image of someone called wayne newton playing the guitar? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.205.84.30 (talk) 14:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
"...and jumps his new horse over a fence. Despite popular belief, Wayne did not jump over the fence himself. In fact, according to biographer Garry Wills in his book on Wayne, Wayne was not healthy enough to do such stunts. It should be remembered that Wayne had an entire lung removed four years prior to making the film and actually had trouble walking more than 30 feet without breathing heavily." Taken from True Grit. Shouldn't that be mentioned along with the info on lung cancer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.146.76.80 (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Glen Campbell has indicated that John Wayne did do this stunt, where is the evidence to suggest otherwise? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.95.170.99 (talk) 14:02, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Twenty-odd years ago, as a Light Attack Naval Aviator flying the LTV A-7 Corsair II out of NAS Lemoore, CA, we regularly practiced gunnery with our Vulcan cannon by strafing ground targets on ranges. The idea in strafing (contrary to what you usually see in Hollywood movies) is to adjust the flight path of the airplane while firing at the target so as to keep the stream of projectiles concentrated in a tight group on the target itself. On the range, if one allowed their aim to stray such that the stream of projectiles "walked" or "sprayed" across the target (like you usually DO see, with a string of rounds throwing up dirt trailing in a line across the area of the target), it was critiqued as a "John Wayne"--it looks COOL, but that's not what we're after; it's just the way they do it in the movies!192.100.70.210 (talk) 16:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)CBsHellcat
Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 00:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
The article should not repeat the urban myth that Wayne turned down "Dirty Harry", because in reality he was never offered the film since he was plainly too old by then to play a tough cop. Frank Sinatra and Paul Newman were the only actors offered the film before Eastwood. (92.10.208.65 (talk) 08:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC))
Actually he was never offered the part. By the way, both McQ and Brannigan were crap. (92.13.223.156 (talk) 12:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC))
John Wayne's physical stats are stated as: 6-foot-4-inch, 225- pound frame (1.88 m, 142 kg). (His height has been disputed.)
I don't know where this data is coming from, but the conversion to the metric data is definitely wrong.
According to the metric data, John Wayne had a size of 6 foot 2 inch and a weight of 313 lbs. This would be pretty fat, and I don't remember him that heavy.
It rather seems to me that the metric data have to be corrected to 1.93 m, 102 kg.
Since I can't tell for sure which numbers are wrong, maybe someone else has more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.250.98.194 (talk) 22:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I deleted James Stewart (misspelled Stuart) from the list of actors who rushed into military service after Pearl Harbor because Stewart was already in the military by then. And I reverted the edit from Roman Catholicism to Roman Catholicism Catholic because that is both a bad way of handling the linkage and bad English. Monkeyzpop (talk) 14:51, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
As noted in the section above, James Stewart joined the Army Air Corps BEFORE America entered World War II, and thus he does not belong on a list of actors who joined AFTER. Monkeyzpop (talk) 11:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Yikes, who wrote this entry, Clint Eastwood fans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drstrangelove57 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Read Gary Wills' book for the true account of Wayne's draft dodging.
The phrase "Thus, John Wayne did not "dodge" the draft, but he never took direct positive action toward enlistment" is subjective, is unsourced and should be removed. The writer of the section, while still attempting to push his own persepective, is much improved of late, but still needs to realize that a well written article allows the reader to form his own analysis of the objective facts. Further, there is a logical falicy in the conclusory statement: at no point is the common term "dodge the draft" defined, and as it lacks a proper definition, can not be included by reference.
The phrase "by all accounts" is evidence of a weak and biased writter. You can not claim something is "by all accounts" unless the writer can demonstrate the examination of "all accounts." Given the controvery that surrounds this issue, I am confident at least "some accounts" would disagree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.208.224 (talk) 01:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Personal pictures of John Wayne on location taken by Barton B. Mac Leod. Website: BartonMacLeod.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.79.49 (talk) 12:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
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Who says that Wayne was offered these roles? Prove it or lose it. ~ WikiDon (talk) 03:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
It is completely untrue that Tommy Morrison was the great nephew of John Wayne - it was invented by Morrison's promoters in order to drum up interest in the latest "great white hope" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.231.35.100 (talk) 05:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
The article states: "Wayne was approached by Mel Brooks to play the part of The Waco Kid in the film Blazing Saddles. After reading the script he said, 'I can't be in this picture, it's too dirty...but I'll be the first in line to see it.'" But I've heard he was offered the role of Taggart. Which is it? TuckerResearch (talk) 05:42, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The section about his film career needs some reworking. Since there appears to have been problems with vandalism on the article in the past, I thought I'd better mention it here, instead of just deleting problematic stuff.
The second paragraph about his training from stuntmen links to a somewhat unsuitable source (Think Quest: Library), since the source is not a primary source. That source should be removed, and a better source for the claims should be found.
The other paragraphs often lacks sources, and I've inserted [citation needed] tags where appropriate.
The finale two paragraphs of the section are not encyclopedic in nature, and should be deleted. --Kristjan Wager (talk) 16:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I have added some poll figures on Wayne from Motion Picture Herald, Box Office and Quigley's. I think they are relevant to the article, but not sure if this is the right place. I have also relied on secondary sources for the first tw. Any primary source info would be welcomed. gramorak 10:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
There is some blatantly-wrong and tampered information that appears with his early childhood. Will some John Wayne fan please go in and correct it? Thank you.Boredwibilly (talk) 18:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
His father WAS a pharmacist, but isn't now because he's deceased. John Wayne WAS a(n)... American film actor, but isn't now because he's deceased. John Wayne (even though deceased) still IS an Academy Award winner. John Wayne (even though deceased) still IS an Golden Globe Award winner. His father (even though deceased) still IS of Scottish/Irish/English decent. His mother (even though deceased) still IS the former Mary Alberta Brown.
Some things become past-tense when the subject dies (e.g. the job they did, where they lived, etc).
Other things stay true, and present-tense, regardless of death. For some examples: John Wayne still IS the father of Patrick Wayne; John Wayne still IS the star of Sands of Iwo Jima.
Another sentence showing the difference, using both WAS and IS: John Wayne WAS the husband of Josephine Alicia Saenz; John Wayne still IS the first husband of Josephine Alicia Saenz.
The first sentence is difficult because it mixes what was (an actor) with what still is (Golden Globe winner, Academy Award winner) all under the past-tense 'WAS'. I've only fixed the one about his mother until I see if someone's autobot comes around to mindlessly revert it. Joe Hepperle —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.213.225.99 (talk) 12:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
See this diff: [1]. Does the Billy Idol reference belong at all? Seems pretty trivial to me, and I say let's take it out. Mark Shaw (talk) 00:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
See this version: [2]. I propose the following changes/improvements:
Including the word "racist" in the section header is arguably accurate, but leaving it as "controversial statements to Playboy magazine" would be more neutral and hence more appropriate for an encyclopedia.
In the body of the section:
"Incendiary" is a value-judgment conclusion; not encyclopedic, unless a cite to contemporary outrage is included. Reword to eliminate this.
I don't see anything in there about genetics, black militancy, or the civil-rights movement. Perhaps "He then continued to discuss race relations:" or "He then continued to discuss race relations, emphasizing his belief in white supremacy:" (since, according to the cited source, he did use that term.)
Also, the ellipses are in correct. An ellipsis is three dots (unless a period is included to make it four dots), with a space after but none before. And as noted by my boldface just above, "empathizing" should be "emphasizing." These are copyediting criticisms, though; there are others, including the use of commas, but those are beside the point at the moment.
This has no place in a "controversial statements" section as it assumes the reader opposes/opposed the Vietnam war and hence would find Wayne's comments on the enemy controversial. It would be better placed in the "politics" section.
All that said: I've found a lot of references to this interview, but no scans, PDFs, or other such of the particular issue of the magazine cited. I'm not saying anything about the veracity of these reports, just noting that here for the moment. Personally (and I mean that literally, it has nothing to do with my assessment of the article itself or the encyclopedic value of the citation), I'd have to see the interview on paper or in a scan before believing it actually went as reported. Mark Shaw (talk) 14:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I own the magazine and I highly advise actually owning references and not searching the net for them. You can split hairs about bad punctuation all you want but those are HIS OWN words and that interview is VERY well known. I'm not sure way anyone who is his fan would want to hide who he was but fans and scholars have different agendas. The previous edit was essentially a whitewash created to make it look like the Duke was only a small part of the "bad old days of white supremacy (John E Rankin, Dies, Biblo, Hoover etc) and the cold war" but he was and it needs to be focused on. He was a huge racist and anti-communist just like Ronald Reagan. Why you feel shame about this as fans is your own concern, it's who he was.Catherine Huebscher (talk) 9:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
My concern is that this article is the only place on the net that I'm seeing the interview mentioned in any real length, wikipedia is THEE main source for so many things so articles on film superstars need to be detailed. I also think that as the lead mentions his conservative views that they be fleshed out and cited. I'm amazed that so many of the racist, cold warriors have their history altered or chunks of it deleted, to reflect today's values. Who they said they were and their well documented actions is all very clear to me! Paul Robeson , the OPPOSITE of who JOHN Wayne was, is uniformly always linked to the USSR and I had no issue including that aspect when I revised his article, knowing that it will almost ALWAYS be misconstrued and too complex to decipher for most. But I am proud of that fact that HIS legacy stands up to the truths and opinions and has not been altered despite my dislike of the material. Catherine Huebscher (talk) 10:14, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
For starters Wayne is not a major political/War figure of the past 500 years, Hitler, for brevity's sake does not require each and every antidote but honestly, if an interview existed it should or could be connected to his page in some fashion if someone wanted to take the time.WP is about the dissemination of well cited information afterall. Please. That is who he was and who he said he was -bottle or no bottle-1949 or 2009-and he would be the first to admit it from what I've gleaned. If you want to mention him drinking then you should but please cite your source.The John Wayne and Jimmy Carter interviews are easily the two most famous in the magazines history.in fact i have a friend who works at the magazine who i will ask for a second opinion.
I can't control a readers' reaction. Many will be offended by him and many will be assuredly happy and many will not care-one could easily say he was a racist, an American fascist, refused to act with blacks and have no problem citing more than one source. Once again, I showed restraint because its not an article about that interview alone but a survey of JW's life ,there was other parts where he sounds literally like David (ahem) Duke because that is WHO HE WAS, he shared white racist anti-communist values ala Hoover and Rankin regardless of his sliver screen charm. If a wikipedia article is positioning a film legend as the "enduring American Icon" that he was then it follows his icon status should be illuminated by showing his values.
"This one is not emblematic beyond all others. It is wrong to treat it that way, simply because it was the most (only?) notorious one he gave."
It IS though-it's one of the all time most famous interviews of any celebs-especially for Playboy- and that's why his fans hate it mentioned and why many of his bios either leave it out, apologize for it or whitewash it. I've even read accounts that say "he was just a man of his time...after all he married Hispanic women exclusively so he could not have been "that" racist...Wayne, like most of us, was a very complex individual..."
What I wrote is 100% in keeping with what wikipedia stands for: the neutral dissemination of cited information. There is especially nothing bias about a man's own words verbatim.Catherine Huebscher (talk) 21:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I have no problem with the "Playboy" article being referenced, however does it need to be so long? It is almost as long as the article relating to John Wayne's career, and it not really something he is remembered for anyway. If nobody has a problem I will begin condensing this section in due course —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.95.170.99 (talk) 14:06, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Regarding this diff - it reads like a review. It's well-written and probably accurate, but I'm not sure it's appropriate for an encyclopedia. I was about to revert it with that explanation, but thought I ought to see what others think first.... Mark Shaw (talk) 12:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Since when?
I replaced the word "gotten" with "found" in the sentence: Tom Mix had gotten him a summer job....
because, gotten isn't a word.
Jim
03/06/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.59.163.198 (talk) 15:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Several editors have, for some reason, repeatedly undid efforts to change the language in the Politics section; specifically, " . . . enraged conservatives . . . " As Korossyl points out in the history, "enrages" just isn't supported by the two cited articles. The Time article discusses fierce conservative opposition to the Panama Canal Treaty, and mentions Wayne as a supporter of the treaty, but there's no indication that he himself (as opposed to other conservative treaty supporters like William F. Buckley) received specific anger. The Slate article merely mentions Wayne as a defender of the notion that Patty Hearst was brainwashed, and doesn't describe the notion in any way as a conservative-versus-liberal issue. (I pointed out the latter when making an edit but it was reverted by another editor; I should redo it.) YLee (talk) 17:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Under the "Early Life" section.
At the end of the first paragraph (birth/parents). the last sentance is; "This was all before he was raped by a dirty old pedo."
Where did that come from?
It doesn't make sense because it is not in the timeline,
Where did that come from?
The One and Only Worldwise Dave Shaver 06:45, 14 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaxdave (talk • contribs)
[Indent fixed - Mark Shaw]
Every biography I have read on the Duke has identified him as Marion Michael Morrison, not Marion Mitchell Morison. He never carried the name Mitchell. Ya'll need to spend a little time cleaning this up and getting it right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.231.6.69 (talk) 18:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Okay, since you people are either too stupid or too lazy to do a little research:
The Young Duke by Chris Enss and Howard Kazanjian The Films of John Wayne (1972) and every other book I have read on John Wayne
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/638123/John-Wayne
You claims that Mitchell is well-cited is A) flase and B) you have provide zero citations for the claim that Mitchell is "more accurate" than "common knolwedge" when there isn't a single citation supporting that he was ever named "Mitchell" yet there are many sources that cite his name as being "Michael". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.231.6.69 (talk) 22:13, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Recent as well as past edits have included all sorts of quotations from Wayne films under the heading "Famous quotes," etc. I would argue that some of these are great lines but in no way are they famous. A famous line, to me, is something the average person conversant with such matters would know. "There's no place like home, there's no place like home" is a famous line. "You can't handle the truth!" is a famous line. "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse" is a famous line. I think that most of the recent additions to the Wayne quote list, while memorable to someone who knows the individual films pretty well, would not be considered famous by even the average John Wayne fan. The fanatic, perhaps, but not the average fan, and certainly not the average guy on the street. I'm not deleting any of them, but I'd be interested in discussion and, perhaps, a less scattergun definition of "famous." Monkeyzpop (talk) 09:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Mexican epitaph?, hell, I didn't know there was a language called "Mexican". "Feo, Fuerte y Formal" translates from Spanish as "Ugly-looking, Strong and Reliable" ("Formal" also means Well-mannered, Courteous).Cornelius71 (talk) 18:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
There is a pair of excellent articles by Dick Cavett in the New York Times. They are Awesome, and Then Some and More Awesomeness, or John Wayne Part 2 and ought to be added to the outside references section. Asteriks (talk) 18:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Here's some more military slang that could be included in the article: the .45 caliber service pistol is referred to as a "John Wayne rifle" and the Army's Special Warfare School at Fort Bragg is called "John Wayne High School". Also, "Stagecoach" was the first film John Ford shot in Monument Valley (it's an Indian Reservation) and others soon began filming there also. I recall reading about the filming of "The Alamo", that the State of Texas put up a third of the money and that Wayne put a lot of his own money into the film, even using his cars and his wife's jewelry to finance it...also John Ford visited the set one day and started taking over the movie so Wayne had him go film some cattle crossing a river to get him off the set. I was at UCLA when Wayne died there and didn't visit him since I thought that would be an imposition but the impression I got was that "the Big C finally got me" from my visits to the medical center. A few actor words of advice Wayne gave were "Talk low, talk slow" and "Don't act, react". --Just some tidbits I thought might be interesting. Great article, guys, keep up the good work.63.192.101.142 (talk) 09:10, 16 May 2010 (UTC)Sgt. Rock
I had always heard that Bruce Dern, in The Cowboys, is the only person ever to have killed Wayne on screen. But The Cowboys page says that's not true. So can anyone here tell me what other movie shows Wayne's character killed onscreen? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lafong (talk • contribs) 03:55, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I have changed this title to "1941 - 1945" to better encapsulate what John Wayne did during this time, it is also wrong to include military service within the title as he was not in the military.
Please add additional information to this section such as John Wayne's contribution towards the war effort namely raising money for war bonds and visiting troops etc.
[N.B. indentation fixed -Mark Shaw]
I agree that 1941 - 1945 is a much better title or how about "Wayne and the War years"? I feel at present the post is article is not extensive enough.
Wayne biographer Michael Munn writes of Wayne's love of alcohol.[10] According to Sam O'Steen's memoir, Cut to the Chase, studio directors knew to shoot Wayne's scenes before noon, because by afternoon Wayne "was a mean drunk."[45]
Who is Sam O'Steen and where is the evidence to support this statement? By various accounts there were only three occassion when John Wayne was drunk on a set namely "The Big Trail," "3 Godfathers" and "The Cowboys" and by various accounts from Patrick Wayne to John Agar, John Wayne could handle his drink and was very rarely drunk. I feel the above statement should be removed until or unless it can be better substantiated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.95.170.99 (talk) 08:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Thats fair enough, I will bring this to your attention in due course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.95.170.99 (talk) 14:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
A few weeks ago, a user attempted to add images and content that had multiple issues. They were eventually blocked, and told how to proceed with unblock requests and to discuss the changes on the talk page here - but they never pursued the advice given by multiple parties, so I'll start the discussion. The images had unclear copyright, and would require using the ticket system to resolve, but on the text ... they were adding:
This was later trimmed down to:
However, even the trimmed version is little more than trivia content. First, we don't list property owned by celebrities unless that property can be established as meeting WP:N in its own right (in which case, the connection to a notable property would credit a mention). Secondly, it's minor trivia - and in this case, functions as an advert for the ranch which continues to function as a Bed & Breakfast. Lastly, the added material, even after trimming, still contained quite a bit of narrative content. At most, even if the trivia listing were appropriate, the material can be more concisely stated as:
As the original user chose not to pursue this, I wanted to at least start the discussion. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:50, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I have no problem with the "Playboy" article being referenced, however does it need to be so long? It is almost as long as the article relating to John Wayne's career, and it not really something he is remembered for anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.95.170.99 (talk) 13:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
If nobody has a problem I will begin condensing this section in due course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.95.170.99 (talk) 16:01, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I just recently read over this article and I had huge problems understanding the tables in the awards section, especially the one about Academy Oscars. Do we really need an explanation of what the Oscars are? Why is there no list/table that lists his wins and nominations? What about the Golden Globes? All I can see is that "Wayne won a competitive award and received the Cecil B. DeMille Award." for which role in which movie did he win these awards? Thanks for clarifying. --Darth NormaN (talk) 13:02, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
He won the Golden Globe for his performance in True Grit, I have updated this on the article. The Cecil B DeMille award was a lifetime recognition award but others may need to confirm this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.95.170.99 (talk) 08:46, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I have corrected John Wayne's quote from "True Grit" to "Fill your hands" rather than "Fill your hand" as it was previously, I have double checked this quote on YouTube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.95.170.99 (talk) 10:19, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Wondering if Wayne's birthplace controversy should be included in the article. After all, notable American presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann says he was born in Waterloo, so presumably we need to reflect the revised history: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/jun/27/the-wrong-john-wayne/ --Jajasoon (talk) 18:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
But why exactly is section title for the early period of his life called "The Waterloo Years"?--Kmhkmh (talk) 02:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
This sentence would be appropriate: "His parents met in Waterloo, Iowa, where his father was interning as a pharmacist. They moved to Winterset before he was born." Reference: http://www.amazon.com/Duke-Life-Image-John-Wayne/dp/0806133295, page 15. —Novanglusva (talk • contribs) 13:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Original comment removed by User:LeeUSA after responses.
While the article implies John Wayne was only a screen name, his children have the last name of Wayne. Did he legally change his name to John Wayne? If so, when? Javacheezhed (talk) 00:08, 5 September 2011 (UTC)javacheezhed
I'm mentioning this here because there are 3 filmography subpages and so I thought it would get more coordinated attention here.
Someone wrote me this, and it sounded like a good idea, but I don't know if there has been a debate about this, so I just pass the idea along.
"is it possible to list the movies aka titles? eg. paradise canyon aka guns along the trail. i recently purchased a dvd online. it is a 6 disk set of john wayne movies. after ordering them i went to the john wayne filmogrophy site and none of the movies were listed. after i got the dvd i found out that all 6 movies were under their aka titles and i already had all 6 of them. an innocent man aka sagebrush trail, cold vengence aka dawn rider. etc"
It sounds awful that they are selling dvd's with misleading titles, and so possibly we should list the alternative titles to help people not make this error.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:25, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
The Congressional Gold Medal was awarded on May 26, 1979 yet John Wayne died a few weeks later on June 11, 1979. The award was not give posthumously as stated in the Awards section of the entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.83.116.168 (talk) 17:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Removed, unfair to quote allegedly controversial statments without putting them into a proper context which John Wayne did, if this is going to be put back it needs to include John Wayne's entire response so viewers can make an informed decision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.33.183.1 (talk) 11:53, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
The opening paragraph states, "An Academy Award-winner, Wayne is the biggest box office draw of all time." However, the source (from 2003, no less) doesn't explicitly state this at all. In fact, nowhere in the link does it make such a claim. All the linked webpage states is the "biggest moneymaker for each year" not "all-time" and yet even then Mr. Wayne only tops the annual lists for a mere three years (while Bing Crosby topped the lists FIVE times, not just three, incidentally.)
This "biggest box office draw of all time" claim is at best highly dubious and deserves to be removed from this page unless more thoroughly substantiated, IMHO. Thanks123.222.211.170 (talk) 14:03, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps [this] would be a better link.Ejgreen77 (talk) 14:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
The article states that Wayne injured himself bodysurfing the Wedge and as a result had to drop out of football and out of college. This happened in the 1920s. But the Wedge came into existence in the 1930s with the construction of a jetty which greatly magnifified the size and power of the surf. Therefore, Wayne couldn't possibly have bodysurfed the Wedge in the 1920s. The story of this injury appears to be another example of magnification of Wayne's actual life and reality to create a heroic persona.Drwin808 (talk) 07:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
--Thanks, but "citation needed" doesn't begin to solve the problem. The event as described is chronologically impossible. This is the problem with Wikipedia: patent nonsense, propaganda and outright fabrications are allowed to remain; in the case of the John Wayne page edits are blocked so that false information is unmodified. BTW the description below doesn't sound much like bodysurfing (catching and riding waves for some distance without a board), but what is often called "body whomping": catching the shorebreak in very shallow water. To avoid injury, one must either turn nearly parallel to the face of the wave, or execute a front flip to land on one's feet when the wave breaks. One also has to wonder about the injury ("probably breaking his collarbone and separating his right shoulder") sustained; as one who has been through fractures and separations, there is no "probably" about it and there should have been some sort of medical record. Instead, we have more heroic mythology: the "it's just my shoulder" bravado (which Wayne used in movies), the serious injury which inexplicably no one seems to have recognized and which the heroic Wayne concealed (for what reason, we are not told) while getting kicked off the team for poor performance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drwin808 (talk • contribs) 17:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Ever since he was a kid, Duke had loved the ocean, and on weekends during the summer of 1926, when he was not working at Fox, he frequently headed to the beaches south of Los Angeles. Duke and his friends would go in somebody's car or just hitchhike. Some days they would drive to Redondo Beach or Santa Monica; others, they headed southeast, sometimes sleeping overnight at a place called "Tin Can Beach," between Seal Beach and Huntington Beach. They loved to bodysurf, and the waves along much of the Southern California coast were ideal for it, curling and breaking relatively close to shore in four to five feet of water. But occasionally the waves were violent and unpredictable. One day, just a week before summer football workouts started at USC, Duke was showing off for some college coeds on the beach, and he caught a wave too late. Instead of gliding down its front, he was thrown around uncontrollably in the breaking foam and went crashing to the bottom, probably breaking his collarbone and separating his right shoulder. The next morning he could barely lift his arm.
For interior lineman, shoulder injuries are catastrophic. When summer drills started a week later, Duke tried to use his right shoulder, but the pain was excruciating. Coach Howard Jones noticed right away that Duke was hesitating on the blocking dummies and even avoiding use of the injured right shoulder by contorting himself to use his left. According to Eugene Clarke: "All hell broke loose. Jones accused the Duke of being yellow, of being afraid to block, and demoted him to the scrubs." Trainers tried to fit Duke with a shoulder harness, but it was no use. Duke recalled that he worked out all year "with a harness on my shoulder, but, Jesus, how it hurt." The shoulder needed months to heal, and his sophomore year as a football player was ruined.
The injury had other consequences. When Howard Jones dropped Duke from the regular team, he also lost training-table privileges—the one meal a day at which the team members ate their fill. "That was a disaster for the Duke," Clarke remembered. "Money was very tight for the Duke in those days." Clyde tried to help out, sending Duke five dollars a week whenever he could, but even that was not enough. Duke went to work nights at the telephone company for sixty cents an hour, plotting maps of existing telephone lines. He kept washing dishes, but over the course of the school year, he accumulated a good-sized debt for room, board, and dues at Sigma Chi. His fraternity brothers began pressuring him to clear the books, and he felt as he used to in Glendale when the landlords forced the Morrisons to move. The last thing he wanted was to live the way his parents had.
—John Wayne, American by Randy Roberts and James S. Olson
John's daughter , Toni LaCava died a number of years ago . Tom Cherry formerly of Los Angeles and friend of the family — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.135.245 (talk) 20:24, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Wayne must have forgotten about the campfire ambush scene in The Searchers when he claimed (when demanding the script changed in The Shootist) never to have backshot a man onscreen. In that sequence, his character, Ethan Edwards, is clearly shown shooting three men down, all shot while fleeing him. Even though two are backshot through the miracle of editing, Futterman, the first victim, is shot in-frame with Wayne and has clearly turned his back before Wayne fires and he falls from the rock he is standing atop. In fact, it is a minor plot point later in the film, specifically mentioned by Ward Bond's character as a matter needing to be cleared up, immediately prior to the climactic battle. RamblerReb (talk) 20:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
John Wayne was famous for shooting characters in the back and indeed was the first leading man to portray realistic western characters that had darker sides.
1. Paddy Samuels - 'McQ'. 2. Two Comancheros who ride up either side of the wagon during the final shootout in the movie 'Comancheros'.
3. A fleeing Indian in the movie 'Comancheros'.
4. The three Futterman assassins in 'The Searchers'. 5. The kid during the big gunfight in "True Grit". 6. A fleeing deputy during the bridge shootout in "The Sons of Katie Elder". 7. The Indian that jumps on the stagecoach horses in the movie "Stagecoach". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.33.183.1 (talk) 16:54, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Shooting someone while they are fleeing dosen't count as a "backshot" kill, it counts as "putting down a coward" kill and no honour is lost on doing so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.160.45.95 (talk) 06:11, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Wayne cited his age of 34 as a condition for his exemption from service. This appears a disingenuous rationale considering the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 (Burke-Wadsworth Act), set the upper limit at age 36, which was subsequently amended to age 37 in November 1942. These Congressional laws verify that Wayne was not too old too serve in the military.
Other Hollywood stars did take a hiatus from their lucrative film careers to serve in WWII. Clark Gable, who enlisted in August of 1942, was 41 years old at the time. Jimmy Stewart, who was inducted on March 23, 1944, was 33 years old. The studios were not pleased with “loosing” some of their top box office attractions but accommodated themselves to the patriotism of their stars.
Fat&Happy has been vigilantly patrolling the issue of Wayne’s draft status during WWII, consistently deleting the pertinent inline citation referencing the selective service law (s) in place at the time Wayne maintained he was to old to serve his country in uniform. Betempte (talk) 20:08, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Fat&Happy, your response totally evades the issue at hand. Your comment contradicts itself and in no way addresses the topic under discussion. The fact is that Wayne was within draft age and did not serve in the military. How can this be contested? Expanding understanding of a topic by supplying verifiable information aids the reader in contemplating a variety of material and arriving at their own conclusions. This is called “analytical” thinking… or to put it simply…freedom of thought…NOT POV. It is POV when an editor insistently censors material due to their own bias. Betempte (talk) 20:53, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
You should "realize" that again you repeat yourself and obscure the issue. The inline citation, which has been repeatedly deleted, is reliable source material. Check Wikipedia itself, Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 for additional confirmation— or are you, therefore, contesting the information provided in this corroborating Wiki entry? I can only infer from your multiple deletions that you refute not the reference material but its implications on the "character" of John Wayne. I recognize your loyalty to a personal belief system, uneasy with assimilating contradiction. However, this in no way conforms to encyclopedic standards or convention. Betempte (talk) 22:59, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
I must be missing something in his biography.
It states that he died on June 11, 1979, but in the Legacy Section, it also states that he was posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Jimmy Carter on June 9 1980, and that he appeared at the Inaugural Ball.
So, if he died on June 11 1979, how come he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and appeared at the Inaugural Ball on June 9 1980?
Thank You Caribman161 (talk) 03:17, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
posthumously awarded. Cryellow (talk) 04:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
is that REALLY the best picture of john wayne that we can have for his wikipedia page??? I say we change it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.3.82 (talk) 05:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I added a link to several movies with John Wayne that are in the public domain. Much care has been taken on that site to insure that no films that have current copyright holders. Many of them are vetted via archive.org, and the scanned copyright office documents for the proper years are searched, along with the copyright office public catalog: http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First
I would appreciate any advice on proper methods and/or etiquette in this matter - I don't want to be misleading or out of order.
Jimbo Berkey Jimbo-Berkey (talk) 20:04, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Bede735 reverted my edit because he thinks the links I inserted are not better. How are they not better? The link should be visible as "Palmdale", "California" and not "Palmdale, California". The only reason it is divided with a comma is because there are several localities with that name. The first type of links are more useful. For example, if you look at Usain Bolt's profile, you will se that it's better to write it as Kingston, Jamaica instead of Kingston, Jamaica.
The same thing with John Wayne's birtplace. Winterset, Iowa are better than Winterset, Iowa. --IRISZOOM (talk) 00:51, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
"Actor John Wayne was born Marion Robert Morrison on May 26, 1907, in Winterset, Iowa. (Some sources also list him as Marion Michael Morrison and Marion Mitchell Morrison.)" Source.
I always thought his middle name was Michael, not Mitchell or Robert. Can his real middle name be verified–or, if it was Robert but later changed to Michael or Mitchell, can any of that be verified? 108.246.205.134 (talk) 19:44, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
It's Michael. I'm watching a documentary on UK television BBC2 right now in which he refers to himself as "Marion Michael Morrison" more than once, very clearly. The main page should be changed. - just found this quote from him to back this up, he says he was supposed to be called Mitchell but it ended up being Robert, so it later got changed to Michael. That's where 'Mitchell' came from - also looks like Michael was never officially his middle name - https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nTyk9HIDeKIC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=%22john+wayne%22+mitchell+or+michael&source=bl&ots=bK3nHqWRJ0&sig=k8mpkrR3DuTi7TlOUerjlkaGSqE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UqemVN21No7naoeEgPAF&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22john%20wayne%22%20mitchell%20or%20michael&f=false
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.30.232 (talk) 14:05, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
In The Lucy Show Lucille Ball gets so caught up with seeing barroom brawl with Wayne that she konks Wayne with a real bottle! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0637454/ In The Beverly hillbillies when Milton Drysdale hires Hollywood Stuntmen to pose as fake "indians" to attack the Clampet Mansion Wayne has a cameo at the end to meet Granny who askes why John Wasnt there when they needed him! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0522644/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.242.65 (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
I've looked through the whole John Wayne article and I see no mention of his final public appearance. I believe the article would benefit from the addition of a sentence indicating when and where it occurred. I was thinking of adding something like: "Wayne's last public appearance was on April 9, 1979 at the Academy Awards ceremony." I do have what I consider to be reliable sources to support this proposed addition:
The way the article is currently structured, I don't see any named section where it would be appropriate to add the sentence; so I'm proposing placing it at the end of the lede.
Before I make any changes to the article itself, I would appreciate input from other editors. If you follow this article, or even if you just stumbled onto this posting, I would very much appreciate your opinion and suggestions.
Richard27182 (talk) 09:47, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
There have been no comments or suggestions, so I went ahead and made the proposed addition to the article. If anyone disagrees with the edit, please discuss it here on the talk page.
Richard27182 (talk) 10:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
The article says Wayne went on to star in 142 pictures, but it also says he was relegated to small roles, so how many of those 142 roles were starring roles. Just saying Eurocus47 (talk) 18:44, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
There's gotta be some better way of wording this, as the current title implies that he had problems with Duke as when he was alive. Does "posthumous legal problems..." sound better?.--Prisencolin (talk) 08:15, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Surely he must have received hate mail after "The Green Berets"? (81.159.6.240 (talk) 13:46, 15 March 2016 (UTC))
It just seems to me that he was, and then I stumbled on this too: http://ianundercover.com/2009/02/13/iuc-exclusive-the-duke-was-the-queen-of-hollywood/
Sure we cannot believe everything we read on the i'net but this seems credible.
After watching Liberty Valance I don’t think it’s just Poisoning the Well (that I believed that the Duke was a cross swordsman before examining his acting in the movie) – Wayne’s movements are just so circular and un he-man like in Valance, as compared to say, the straight (as in not circular) stiff movements of James Stewart, that it just seems obvious to me that Wayne was gay or at least bi. Definitely some sucre in that tank! Cryellow (talk) 04:38, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
I see three names being used on this page. Which one(s) is/are accurate?
Marion Mitchell Morrison and Marion Robert Morrison are in the first paragraph, and Marion Michael Morrison is under the photo.
Did he have all three middle names, or has there been a mistake in reporting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.123.144.34 (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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John Wayne's America in discussing the character his films created, Gary Wills wrote: "The Roman Empire constantly dreamed of John Wayne." Prologue, p. 23, John Wayne's America, Gary Wills, Simon & Schuster, 1998. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:ED40:EA00:4E:1995:7B33:4076 (talk) 15:26, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
This article repeats a frequent error by claiming that Wayne was once a member of the John Birch Society. He was not!
Apparently, this rumor began because he may have made some comments about the Birch Society which were interpreted as meaning that he was a member -- but he never actually joined. Ernie1241 (talk) 02:57, 9 October 2017 (UTC)ernie1241Ernie1241 (talk) 02:57, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
There are several middle names used in this article. John Wayne's birth name was Marion Michael Morrison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.59.252.141 (talk) 15:47, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
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