I'd like to see a list of notable members of Kappa Alpha Psi, such as those on the pages of other NPHC members. I would do it, but it might be more appropriate for a member to do it for verification purposes. Also, I'd also like to see an explanation of the term "Nupe" -- unless that is confidential (in that case, please include a statement to that effect). LAGreen 01:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
And what about Phi Nu Pi? Maybe include some information about that.
- "Phi Nu Pi" is secret among brothers in the fraternity. They do not tell their families or friends from other fraternities or sororities what the term means. Bearly541 06:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
-That is correct. As I mentioned in "Correct procedures to update this article" we do not include anything that part of the rituals of Kappa Alpha Psi and only confidental with members of Kappa Alpha Psi. Only a true Kappa would never discuss what is Phi Nu Phi or "Nupe". A Tip of the hat to Bearly541 bringing this up. Erayman64
THe words "Phi Nu Pi" are not confidential and part of the fraternity's history. I think the words should be listed in the article and the above language entered about its "meaning" being only known to members. The fact that the words are listed here indicate they are not a secret. Ccson 14:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Great website but a correction about famous members. First Sam Jones (Boston Celtic)is a Kappa not K.C. Jones ( know him personnally). Also a new additional, Mike Tomlin, new coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. YITB.
I deleted the AAPB because it was taking too much space, even though a banner (small) is already placed upon the page. Bearly541 06:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Ninja Nubian, My fault for the edits on your page which I reverted back. I thought you made a mistake and put in the wrong Frat tag for alpha--but after looking at your edits which Brother Erayman64 had to go back and repair, you KAN'T be a Kappa Man. Don't know if you're a poser or not, but IMO, you can continue to be the alpha's problem, not ours. KaneKing93 03:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
understood. leave a message on my talk page next time. thanks NinjaNubian 18:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
KaneKing93, tell me your secret for stopping NinjaNubian in his tracks. If not for the one word of respect "understood", I think you left him speechless. Please take him back. Ccson 15:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
A link was provided as reference, Ccson a member of Alpha phi Alpha, has made it his business to delete this and place Dubious with it. What is everyone's opinion?
the talk section for this is a listed above. Please place all comments in the original section so that no info is lost. BTW-it's not based on opinion, but factual, verifable, neutral data. Plus, I'm not saying its not true, but other sites contrdict this. The kappa reference indicates that "records show" they were first. What are these records? Ccson 01:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
"Records indicate that Kappa Alpha Nu became the first undergraduate college fraternity to be incorporated by blacks as a national body. "
This is the reference .. http://www.kapsimwp.com/News/MW0402/MW0402.html . If you would like to challenge this, you may look for the records yourself. 64.12.116.70 07:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
so find the reference.. disprove tihs. 149.68.16.97 17:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Incorporated is the first undergraduate black fraternity to have been incorporated as a national body [1]. A read of this site will provide a strong factual first party reference. Bearly541 has repeatedly deleted this information http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kappa_Alpha_Psi&diff=69944859&oldid=69504382 and here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kappa_Alpha_Psi&diff=75102453&oldid=75060124 to serve his own purposes. Feel free to discuss this. NinjaNubian 15:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Alpha Phi Alpha was incorporated in 1908 in New York State Ccson 14:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm interested in replacing the first sentence of second oldest active black fraternity to the first undergraduate black fraternity to have been incorporated as a national body . Is everyone ok with that? Mykungfu 19:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
"Records indicate that Kappa Alpha Nu became the first undergraduate college fraternity to be incorporated by blacks as a national body. " This is the reference .. http://www.kapsimwp.com/News/MW0402/MW0402.html . If you would like to challenge this, you may look for the records yourself. 64.12.116.70 07:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
the kappa website is a neutral source. Mykungfu 02:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
application and acceptance for incorporation are different things. you can apply and get denied or may require more things and then get accepted. Mykungfu 02:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
The District of Columbias website has a contact email address. I have sent an email requesting the official incorporation dates of Alpha Phi Alpha and Kappa Alpha Psi. I have received a response that I would have a response by the first week in October 2006. I will provide any results at that time, the person(s) who provide the information so that it can be verified. Ccson 13:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Please take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_research thanks. StrangeApples 22:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
no original research is the what is being mentioned. ManOfTke 18:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Here is the response from the District of Columbia Corporation department.
This letter is in response to your e-mail dated September 22nd. Corporations Division has the following companies on record: KAPPA ALPHA ASSOCIATION OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, INC. THE (this is the closest in terms of name company to the one you are looking for) Incorporation date is 08/29/1918.
ALPHA PHI ALPHA FRATERNITY Incorporation date is 04/09/1911.
Should you have any questions, please, contact Corporations Division at (202) 442-4432
Corporations Correspondence Unit #4302
There is no record of Kappa Alpha Psi, however; that's unimportant since the incorporation date for for Alpha Phi Alpha is 2 days before the date that Kappa Alpha Psi filed for incorporation.
This information is verifable and other editors are encourged to contact the D.C. office at the phone number listed above to confirm. Please update your findings in this section. Ccson 03:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Original research..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOR
Original research is a term used in Wikipedia to refer to material placed in articles by Wikipedia users that has not been previously published by a reliable source. It includes unpublished material, for example, arguments, concepts, data, ideas, statements, or theories, or any new analysis or synthesis of published material that appears to advance a position — or, in the words of Wikipedia's co-founder Jimbo Wales, that would amount to a "novel narrative or historical interpretation". 64.131.205.160 03:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
upon semi protection removal for this page, the update by Ccson will be removed based on the original research clause 64.131.205.160 02:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
this website, an official website of Kappa Alpha Psi has written differently. the official wording is
"Records indicate that Kappa Alpha Nu became the first undergraduate college fraternity to be incorporated by blacks as a national body." if you can somehow prove that Alpha Phi Alpha was incorporated prior to this as a NATIONAL BODY, then we can discuss this. until that, it will be removed.
http://www.kapsimwp.com/News/MW0402/MW0402.html
64.131.205.160 04:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I been checking this article and discussions since last week from those who members of Alpha Phi Alpha, Ccson, Mykungfu, and wiki contributor KaneKing93 who indentified himself as a member of Kappa Alpha Psi(Glad another Nupe is joining in updating and keeping an eye on this article) and other person,Bearly541 who affiliation is not kwown. We need to settle this bickering over deleting and changing this article, especially those who are not members of Kappa Alpha Psi, call foul when someone outside Alpha Phi Alpha are altering their articles. I assume we are no longer undergraduates and are grown men who can respect each other articles and opinions.
To clearing things up with Ccson regarding which fraternity was first to be incorporated. I was taught since I was a Scroller in 1990 and read after I crossed over that Kappa Alpha Psi was incorporated NATIONALLY since 1911. Ccson insist that Alpha Phi Alpha was incorporated before Kappa in 1908 and again in April of 1911 in Washington D.C. Was the fraternity incorporated NATIONALLY or LOCALLY under state guidelines in 1908? With no disrespect to the Alphas, Their seven founders first began as a social education group,then became a fraternity while the ten founders of Kappa Alpha Psi began a fraternity in the first sense in the beginning of 1911. We may be debating about this for a long time in the furture.
Also the question of Alpha Kappa Nu. The fraternity was founded on the campus of Indiana University at Bloomington in 1903, three years before Alpha Phi Alpha. But Alpha Kappa Nu died out due to lack of interest and this defuncted fraternity has no connection with the ten founders of Kappa Alpha Psi, who attended college at Indiana the next decade. The reason the founders chose to be named Kappa Alpha Nu is again only CONFIDENTAL to those to pledged Kappa Alpha Psi. Erayman64
--Respect bruh. Just swimming through. From looking at the warnings, My Kunfu and Ninja are the same person. Appears to be a flamer that put Alpha on his home page in spite, and is writing your page for the same reason. Don't be pulled into it. Good work on the page, man, peace.
No disrespect regarding social club, however; this discussion is when the groups incorporated. Regarding the Kappas starting as a frat, you have to remember that 2 of your founders were coeds at Howard, and were aware Alphas Beta chapter before transferring to Indiana. There experience as Howard students provided them a unique experience to see that a "Negro" fraternity was possible, even on a predominately white camups (Alpha's founding on Cornell), and perhaps this is why at Indiana, they only sought those who wanted a fraternity, and avoided the dichotomy that Alpha experienced.
I'm not saying your statement of first inc isn't true, just dubious because other evidence indicates something different. We need to resolve so the article is correct. The 1908 Inc for Alpha was locally, but the 1911 was nationally. see [2] regarding Alpha's application date of April 9, 1911. The kappa refernce in intro paragraph states the application was file on April 11, 1911 and that the incorporation occurred on May 15, 1911. I looked for Kappa Alpha Psi on the site, but could only find something regarding Kappa housing corporation. Ccson 16:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
In checking with Ccson , Bearly541 , and KaneKing93 talk pages over the weekend, We are having a problem with Mykungfu, formerly NinjaNubian vandalizing both Alpha Phi Alpha and Kappa Alpha Psi web pages. KaneKing93 and Bearly541 said they are members of Kappa Alpha Psi and Ccson already confirmed membership with Alpha Phi Alpha. Mykungfu is causing this edit war trying to "perpetrate" both fraternities. I suggest we need to block him out of vandalizing these articles and any other article of NPHC organizations. Erayman64
good luck, vandalism and posting information with references are 2 different things. 64.131.205.160 18:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
That is correct, anyone can post, but please post correct information. Erayman64
OK. Which is it? How, exactly, did this work. "OK, Austin, you're in! But remember--this is really our fraternity."
All jokes aside, this needs some clarification.
Just curious--was the fraternity initially established to include all races, or is it that the fraternity simply never had a written policy that it was exclusive to African-Americans? Two different things, really. Let's not forget why African-American fraternities were founded in the first place. F.U.B.U. On another note, this article is shaping up very nicely. Good job. Adisalee 20:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
i have doubts that it is a deliberate attack upon Alpha Phi Alpha. AphiA isn't even mentioned. The fraternity is founded by what appears to be about a dozen black males. reading on Alpha phi Alpha is no longer a black fraternity, but rather a mostly black fraternity, since the 1940's. perhaps it's best to leave things the way they are. 152.163.101.6 03:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I don't think it was an attack on Alpha Phi Alpha because Kappa has and always will be regarded as a (historically) BGLO. Doesn't the article mention the organization being referred to as Kappa Alpha Nig? Also, I understand why the constitution wouldn't state that it was a Black organization. To be touted as a BGLO in "Klan"diana in 1911 probably would have gotten some people killed. It was a smart move, I think, to ensure the survival of the fraternity. But, again, that's not the same thing as starting a fraternity for "everybody". Those tricky Nupes! (smiling) Adisalee 15:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
You both have my word that it was a jab at Alpha's orginal constitution of only allowing membership to negro males. He put "has never" in bold type. He even attacked this article by puting Kappa is the second "active" organization, because he feels Alpha Kappa Nu is the first college fraternity, alpha is the second, and therefore Kappa is third, Alpha is first active, and kappa is 2nd active. He has tried to place 1st active on the Alpha page before, but a mediation of that topic did not grant him his wish. Nothing he does is for good. Ccson 16:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Noted, and I'm now in total agreement with you. I thought the AKN page was deleted, or is that still a work in progress? What's wikipedia's policy about such antics? Adisalee 16:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
It was deleted[3], Alpha kappa nu (note capitalization) was recreated in cleaned up form, but still maintaining factual inaccuracies, then Quarl put it on Deletion Review, where it can be discussed and comments/votes may be left pending review. Ninja/MKF is phoning in on anonymous IPs to defend the article since he has been blocked by admin. very strange apples, indeed.-Robotam 19:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
There've been a few attempts to clarify the original statement, but it still reads funny. Why not just say "KAY is a predominately AA fraternity and is the second oldest fraternity in the NPHC. Since its founding in January 1911, KAY has been open to men of all races",or something like that. The other statements seem to try to place equal importance on being "second" and "first" at the same time. Just a suggestion. Adisalee 13:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, but I thought we were discussing the conflict of being founded as a Black and interracial fraternity in this section? (smile) Adisalee
Also, when you don't sign in and what to include you id, type [[User:Adisalee|Adisalee]] and your ID won't be highlighted in red as above. If you type 5 tildes after the id, the system will record the date and time also. But when you are signed in, you only need to type 4 tildes to record your id, date and time. (smile) Ccson 15:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm aware. Thanks. I have my reasons for not "tidling" when I do. Adisalee 20:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
like sockpuppeting? 64.131.205.160 02:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
is it alright to place that kappa alpha psi was originally named in honor of alpha kappa nu ? Mykungfu 08:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
i move to include this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Dz_GZ-MyM Kappa Alpha Psi
Mykungfu 17:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)