New surnames in the list[edit]

In a recent up date, Ryszard Jurzak's... added the surname Szymanowski to the list of the families entitled to use the Crest Korwin. So there are Szymanowski and Korwin-Szymanowski in the Crest Ślepowron as well as in the Crest Korwin.

In the Korwin (herb szlachecki) three surnames were anonymuosly added to the families entitled to use the crest Korwin:
Łopuszański, by (83.144.72.148) in 1 listopad/November 2006.
Olszewski, by (83.11.41.180) in 2 listopad/November 2006
Lipowicz, by (83.16.237.34) in 21 listopad/November 2006
They are not in Mr. Ryszard Jurzak's site. Nevertheless as there are many possible sources I include them in the Families list of the Korwin coat of arms also and I will check better in time. --Gustavo Szwedowski de Korwin 03:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note, Raab h. Rab is considered as a variation of Kos coat-of-arms by R. Jurzak, not a "Korwin family"

--Gustavo Szwedowski de Korwin 06:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dear wikipedians, I am just re writing all this estateman in order to be clear and to correct my own mistakes.--Gustavo (talk) 01:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New surnames from Polish wiki:
A new surname:
Several new surnames
Source: Słownik genealogiczny - leksykon
--Gustavo (talk) 05:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alternative crest of Korwin coat of arms and the right to use it[edit]

The surnames of the families entitled to Korwin coat of arms were 100 more or less. In the list edited in this article (and in the sites availables on line) there are much more, 165. It seems that the list of surnames of Korwin I and Korwin II are currently merged (some sources name a Korwin III also). Those sites use to say they do not have enough information about the surnames entitled to Korwin II or Korwin III or they do not have nothing at all. Also, the confusion between Korwin and Slepowron coats of arms (and theirs many variations), make the things worst. (There are variations with the field of green, yellow and blue... and Przykorwin coat of arms, and if Materna is a Korwin or Slepowron variation... et cetera!).

In this context to use the Ostrich feathers (usually three, but sometimes five) or the Raven in crest (standing quiet or with its wings extended for flight); as the raven in the escutcheon facing right or left, may be a matter of taste rather than a claiming proper--Gustavo (talk) 01:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

May be not a “Korwin surname” properly, but included in w:pl:Korwin (herb szlachecki)[edit]

There are misunderstandings between Korwin coat-of-arms as variation of Ślepowron coat-of-arms and “Korwin” as alternative name to Ślepowron coat-of-arms.

Nevertheless Terajowicz is considered Korwin in R. Jurzak’s “Genealogia Dynastyczna - Dynastic Genealogy” and Terajewicz - Terajowicz may be easily confused. So “in dubitas pro reo”... --Gustavo (talk) 04:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

May be not a ”Korwin surname” at all, but included in w:pl:Korwin (herb szlachecki)[edit]

--Gustavo (talk) 04:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Anyway the "Ślepowron/Korwin usual confusion" allow to include it in the list.--Gustavo (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

May be not a ”Korwin surname” at all (rather a “Sas surname”), but included in w:pl:Korwin (herb szlachecki)[edit]

--Gustavo (talk) 04:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Surnames not available in any on-line armorials at all, but included in w:pl:Korwin (herb szlachecki)[edit]

This was edited by an anonymous (87.205.249.255) in 2 grudzień/December 2008: "Binkowski (a także od tego nazwiska skrócony Binek)", roughly "a short form of Binkowski" (???). Binek is a surname currently considered in use by about 1900 people in Poland [1].

Astonishing it was included and deleted several times in w:pl surnames list. The issue concerns about Janusz Korwin-Mikke, a controversial Polish journalist and politician, however so many editions may refer to a political-war in Poland rather a real looking for genealogy-heraldic sources. "Korwin-Mikke" may be also (or may be not) a double-barreled surname rather a form of "Crest-Name" (the Polish-gentry style as an alternative to "Name h. (herbu/coat-of arms) Crest"). Mikke is a surname currently considered in use by 120 people in Poland [2].

--Gustavo (talk) 04:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Special case: Noskowski z Noskowa[edit]

Nevertheless, Łukasz z Noskowa was a scholar and chancellor of the Cracow Academy see Chancellors of the Cracow Academy – currently Jagiellonian University (1500-1599) - ennobled (circa 1526) and entitled to Korwin coat of arms (Chancellors and scholars of the University used to be ennobled).
In Kochanowiczów herbu Korwin say "Wizerunek herbu korwin znajduje się na płycie nagrobnej Lukasza Noskowskiego (zm. 1532) w kościele Mariackim w Krakowie." rougly: "Korwin coat of arms can be found on the tombstone of Łukasz Noskowski (death 1532), in St. Mary's Basilica, Kraków."
But may be, he never used the surname "Noskowski" really. He could be "Korwin z Noskowa" or "Noskowski z Noskowa h. Korwin", or he didn't get descendants (so his surname disappeared), or even more, perhaps he was ennobled with another surname, etc.
In 16th century Poland-Lithuania the style and title of ennoblement (nobilitacja) carried on the use of a Coat of arms and a Surname, sometimes gived by the Crown and sometimes self-gived (usually taken from his estate).
Polish-ethnic burghers and peasants didn't use surnames yet. Sometimes if the new-noble already had a foreign surname or nickname (Polish-German burghers mainly) he could get a new surname considered "more Polish".
Many foreign nobles re-ennobled (indygenat) in Poland did the same - i.e.

Anyway, available on-line are:
Noskowski h. Dębno, Gryf, Łada, Rawicz, Zaremba (T. Gajl's work).
Noskowski, h. Gryf, Łada, Rawicz, Zaręba (A. Znamierowski's work).
Noskowski h. Dębno, Gryf, Łada, Zaremba (A. B. Winiarski's work).
Noskowski ze Srzeńska h. Łada and Noskowski h. Rawicz (E. Sęczys' work).
No "Noskowski h. Korwin". Not yet... I hope that an article about Lukasz z Noskowa will be written in w:pl in future.

--Gustavo (talk) 04:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Gustavo Szwedowski de Korwin/Heraldic clan Korwin[edit]

This user-subpage is far to be closed and I am open to discussion. Plese see also w:pl:Dyskusja:Korwin (herb szlachecki)# List of surnames with references
--Gustavo (talk) 05:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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