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Lego Scooby-Doo was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 3 January 2018 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into List of Lego themes. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
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see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lego#Request for comment on creating omnibus articles for sets and themes to discuss. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:14, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone object if under Current Themes I add Lego The Lone Ranger info?TheMouthofSauron (talk) 22:35, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't think anybody objects,oh and by the way, I added more info on the theme. CoolCDST (talk) 00:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
What defines a theme?Rathfelder (talk) 08:35, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
"Themes" first appeared in official Lego documentation in 1987. It was strictly an unofficial term, used ad-hoc by whoever was editing the catalogs at the time, and the "theme" to which any particular set belonged was 100% arbitrary and could change from year to year. For example, when themes first became a thing, "LEGOLAND Space" was divided into three themes: "Space Vehicles", "Ground vehicles", and an unnamed theme that would be retroactively declared Blacktron the next year. In a sense, themes are basically factions, but with less official backing (and even "faction" was never an official term used by the Lego Group).
So then, what the hell are Duplo, Technic, Space, etc.? There was never an official term for any of these taxonomic ranks. In fact, any given group's taxonomic rank could change at any time. "Boats" and "Trains", for example, used to be their own separate clades of the highest taxonomic rank, right alongside Duplo, Legoland, and Technic. Later on, however, they were subsumed into the "Lego System" clade, right next to Town, Space, Castle, and Pirates. These groups that existed within Legoland, and later within Lego System, were alternately referred to as "environments", "systems", "series", and possibly other terms, often within the same document. Of these, "System" was the only term that appeared on product packaging (as "Space System", "Castle System" etc.). The environments also became their own clades of the highest rank in 1991, after the "Legoland" clade was disbanded but before "Lego System" was created to replace it.
Now, you can TRY to make some kind of sense out of all this and make up some rules for what ranks you'd assign to what groups. For example, clades of the highest taxonomic rank (Duplo, Legoland, Lego System, Technic) have traditionally appeared in the upper-left corner of the front of the box, officially established factions have had their logos in the upper right corner (or, for Legoland Space sets, along the top edge and slightly right of center), and the "environments" have rarely been acknowledged on the packaging at all, so you can try to use that as a guideline. But that's a violation of Wikipedia's rules against making shit up.
In short, this whole article is about 99% original research and the opinions of random assholes on the internet, and not really supported by anything, and should probably be deleted. 73.70.13.107 (talk) 03:47, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
"With the release of the sub-series LEGO Blacktron and LEGO Futuron in 1987..."And "faction" is an official term of the Lego Group "Introducing knights and factions".
The only truth that you added is that Lego has been constantly changing how it markets its products and its own terminology. "Theme" was not the term used in 1978, but it was adopted by the company as a descriptor in the '80s to define their separate product lines. "Legoland" did become "System" because of marketing differentiation in the '90s. And by the 2000s, subthemes were not really a thing at all any more and Lego used separate marketing terms for all of them. There has never been an WP:OFFICIALNAME for a "subtheme" (if you check the history links above, they use "subtheme", "sub-series", and "factions" interchangeably) so we typically use the more WP:COMMONNAME as often as we can. However, this has led to many of the so-called fan-made subthemes were contained design themes from one product line to the next have led to both sourceable and verifiable terms that are commonly used. One example of this is Lego Modular Buildings. This has never been an official "theme" used by Lego, only by the fan community, and the entire modular house series was later marketed as Lego Creator Expert including making new packaging for existing products with the new branding. The answer is complicated, because it is inconsistent in primary sources. This is why we use WP:SECONDARY sources more than WP:PRIMARY, and secondary uses "Themes" consistently. Yosemiter (talk) 17:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
The basic structure would look a little bit like this
System | Unranked clade | Unranked clade | Environment | Theme/Faction |
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Preschool/Duplo | ||||
Lego | Universal/Basic | |||
Fabuland | ||||
Lego System | Legoland / Lego System | Town | Transportation | |
Fire | ||||
Police | ||||
Flight | ||||
Repair and Service | ||||
Service and Repair | ||||
Race | ||||
Adventure | ||||
Emergency | ||||
Accessories | ||||
Airport | ||||
High Speed Adventure | ||||
Max RPM | ||||
Nautica | ||||
RSQ911 | ||||
Space | Surface Vehicles | |||
Space Vehicles | ||||
Blacktron I | ||||
Futuron | ||||
Space Police I | ||||
M-Tron | ||||
Blacktron Future Generation | ||||
Space Police II | ||||
Ice Planet 2002 | ||||
Spyrius | ||||
Unitron | ||||
Exploriens | ||||
Roboforce | ||||
UFO | ||||
Insectoids | ||||
Castle | Castle | |||
Forestmen | ||||
Crusaders | ||||
Black Knights | ||||
Wolf Pack | ||||
Dragon Masters | ||||
Royal Knights | ||||
Dark Forest | ||||
Fright Knights | ||||
Pirates | Pirates | |||
Soldiers | ||||
Imperial Guards | ||||
Islanders | ||||
Imperial Armada | ||||
Paradisa | ||||
Aquazone | Aquanauts | |||
Aquasharks | ||||
Aquaraiders | ||||
Hydronauts | ||||
Stingrays | ||||
Time Cruisers | Time Cruisers | |||
Time Twisters | ||||
Wild West | ||||
Divers | ||||
Outback | ||||
Adventurers | ||||
Extreme Team | ||||
Res Q | ||||
Ninja | Shogun's Defense | |||
Robbers | ||||
Red Ninjas | ||||
Star Wars | ||||
Space Port | ||||
Rock Raiders | ||||
Boats | ||||
Trains | ||||
Model Team | ||||
Belville | ||||
Radio Control | ||||
Homemaker | ||||
Expert/Technic | Cyber Slam | |||
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And honest to God, if the admins don't put this article out of its unverifiable and originally-researched misery like they should have years ago, I just might keep expanding this example table until it's better than the actual article. Scratch that; it already IS better, just less complete. UPDATE: all right, the second draft is up and it's three times the size of the first draft, including basically everything of importance from 1978 to 1991 and bits of stuff beyond. By the way, indexing all those Town themes just confirmed how crazy and make-shit-up-as-we-go-along the situation was back then. For example, the US catalogs listed ACCESSORIES as a town "theme" for a while. 73.70.13.107 (talk) 05:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
UPDATE 2: Third draft is up and over 50% bigger than the second draft. It now includes almost everything from 1978 to the end of the Lego System in 1999. This is what the article would have looked like from the beginning if it had been written by people who knew what they were talking about. 73.70.13.107 (talk) 06:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
The merge from Lego Ben 10 was done pursuant to the discussion held at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lego/Archive 1#Request for comment on creating omnibus articles for sets and themes. NewYorkActuary (talk) 02:12, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
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Possibly not notable since before isn't giving me good sources, but there's an obvi merge target. ミラP 01:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
I keep trying, but apparently "no edit warring" is the only Wikipedia rule that any of the moderators feel like enforcing here :\
The worst, fanwankiest, most unverifiable aspect of this article is the organization into "themes" and "subthemes". While some clades were parts of larger clades, the exact organizational scheme changed from year to year, and was often unclear. For example, the 1993 US catalog had an explicit separation of the Paradisa and Town environments, but the 1996 US catalog implied that Paradisa was a theme within the Town environment. Duplo used to be its own system totally separate from Lego, but is now considered a Lego theme. There is no correct way to organize this mess. 73.70.13.107 (talk) 23:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
Fieryninja can I know the Lego Education when it was launch? Striker2020 (talk) 07:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
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Hi Fieryninja can you help me to find the sources for the development and launch of Lego Classic theme so I can create this new page? Striker2020 (talk) 06:15, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Fieryninja Lego Dreamzzz is going to come out as a new show in Youtube next week. Can you help me to find the sources for the development of Lego Dreamzzz theme so I can create this new page? Striker2020 (talk) 06:09, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
Official subthemes like Lego Marvel The Avengers should atleast be listed and marked as such.UnkreativeFrog (talk) 20:30, 27 May 2023 (UTC)