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All I can say is, lol. Unusual Gazelle 19:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Figures below are all in millions.
Jean-Noël Biraben, "The History of the Human Population From the First Beginnings to the Present" in "Demography: Analysis and Synthesis: A Treatise in Population" (Eds: Graziella Caselli, Jacques Vallin, Guillaume J. Wunsch), Vol III, Chapter 66, pp 5-18, Academic Press:San Diego (2005).
Updated from the former estimates by Biraben (1979, 1980): (a) Jean-Noël Biraben, 1979, "Essai sur l'évolution du nombre des hommes", Population, Vol. 34 (no. 1), pp. 13-25. (b) Jean-Noël Biraben, 1980, "An Essay Concerning Mankind's Evolution", Population, Selected Papers, Vol. 4, pp. 1-13.
Region | 400 BC | 200 BC | AD 1 | 200 | 400 | 500 | 600 | 700 | 800 | 900 | 1000 | 1100 | 1200 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
China | 19 | 40 | 70 | 60 | 25 | 32 | 49 | 44 | 56 | 48 | 56 | 83 | 124 |
India, Pakistan, Bangladesh | 30 | 55 | 46 | 45 | 32 | 33 | 37 | 50 | 43 | 38 | 40 | 48 | 69 |
Southwest Asia | 42 | 52 | 47 | 46 | 45 | 41 | 32 | 25 | 29 | 33 | 33 | 28 | 27 |
Japan | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 1.5 | 2 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 7 | 7 | 6 |
Rest of Asia (excluding former USSR) | 3 | 4 | 5 | 5 | 7 | 8 | 11 | 12 | 14 | 16 | 19 | 24 | 31 |
Europe (excluding former USSR) | 19 | 25 | 31 | 44 | 36 | 30 | 22 | 22 | 25 | 28 | 30 | 35 | 49 |
Former Soviet Union | 13 | 14 | 12 | 13 | 12 | 11 | 11 | 10 | 10 | 11 | 13 | 15 | 17 |
North Africa | 10 | 13 | 13 | 16 | 13 | 12 | 11 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 8 | 8 |
Rest of Africa | 7 | 9 | 12 | 14 | 18 | 20 | 17 | 15 | 16 | 20 | 30 | 30 | 40 |
North America | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
Central and South America | 7 | 8 | 10 | 9 | 11 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 15 | 13 | 16 | 19 | 23 |
Oceania | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
World | 152 | 223 | 250 | 255 | 204 | 205 | 211 | 210 | 227 | 227 | 257 | 301 | 399 |
Region | 1250 | 1300 | 1340 | 1400 | 1500 | 1600 | 1700 | 1750 | 1800 | 1850 | 1900 | 1950 | 1970 | 2000 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
China | 112 | 83 | 70 | 70 | 84 | 110 | 150 | 220 | 330 | 435 | 415 | 558 | 774 | 1273 |
India, Pakistan, Bangladesh | 83 | 100 | 107 | 74 | 95 | 145 | 175 | 165 | 190 | 216 | 290 | 431 | 667 | 1320 |
Southwest Asia | 22 | 21 | 22 | 19 | 23 | 30 | 30 | 28 | 28 | 31 | 38 | 75 | 118 | 259 |
Japan | 6 | 7 | 7 | 8 | 8 | 12 | 28 | 30 | 30 | 31 | 44 | 83 | 104 | 126 |
Rest of Asia (excluding former Soviet Union) | 31 | 29 | 29 | 29 | 33 | 42 | 53 | 61 | 68 | 78 | 115 | 245 | 386 | 653 |
Europe (excluding former Soviet Union) | 57 | 70 | 74 | 52 | 67 | 89 | 95 | 111 | 146 | 209 | 295 | 395 | 462 | 492 |
Former Soviet Union | 14 | 16 | 16 | 13 | 17 | 22 | 30 | 35 | 49 | 79 | 127 | 180 | 243 | 290 |
North Africa | 8 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 8 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 13 | 23 | 44 | 70 | 143 |
Rest of Africa | 49 | 60 | 71 | 60 | 78 | 104 | 97 | 94 | 92 | 90 | 95 | 167 | 266 | 657 |
North America | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 5 | 25 | 90 | 166 | 228 | 307 |
Central and South America | 26 | 29 | 29 | 36 | 39 | 10 | 10 | 15 | 19 | 34 | 75 | 164 | 283 | 512 |
Oceania | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 6 | 13 | 19 | 30 |
World | 413 | 429 | 439 | 374 | 458 | 580 | 682 | 775 | 968 | 1243 | 1613 | 2521 | 3620 | 6062 |
Colin McEvedy and Richard Jones, 1978, Atlas of World Population History, Penguin Books, New York.
Region | 200 BC | AD 1 | 200 | 400 | 600 | 800 | 1000 | 1100 | 1200 | 1300 | 1400 | 1500 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Europe (including European part of Turkey and former USSR) | 26 | 31 | 36 | 31 | 26 | 29 | 36 | 44 | 58 | 79 | 60 | 81 |
1. The British Islands | 0.5 | 0.8 | 0.9 | 1 | 0.9 | 1 | 2 | 2.5 | 3.5 | 5 | 3.5 | 5 |
1a. England and Wales | 0.4 | 0.6 | 0.7 | 0.8 | 0.6 | 0.8 | 1.5 | 1.75 | 2.5 | 3.75 | 2.5 | 3.75 |
1b. Scotland | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.4 | 0.5 | |||||
1c. Ireland (incl. Northern Ireland) | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 0.6 | 0.8 | 0.6 | 0.8 | ||||
2. Scandinavia | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.6 | 0.6 | 0.7 | 0.8 | 1 | 1.25 | 1.5 | 1.75 | 1.25 | 2 |
2a. Denmark | 0.2 | 0.4 | 0.6 | 0.6 | ||||||||
2b. Sweden | 0.2 | 0.4 | 0.8 | 0.8 | ||||||||
2c. Norway | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.4 | 0.4 | ||||||||
2d. Finland | 0.1 | 0.1 | ||||||||||
3. France | 4 | 5 | 6.5 | 5 | 4.5 | 5 | 6.5 | 7.75 | 10.5 | 16 | 11 | 15 |
4a. Belgium and Luxembourg | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 0.6 | 0.9 | 1.25 | 0.8 | 1.25 |
4b. The Netherlands | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 0.6 | 0.8 | 0.6 | 0.9 | ||||
5. Germany | 2 | 3 | 3.5 | 3.5 | 3 | 3.25 | 3.5 | 4 | 6 | 9 | 6.5 | 9 |
6. Poland | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.6 | 0.8 | 0.6 | 1 | 1.25 | 1.5 | 2.25 | 3.5 | 2.75 | 4 |
7. Former USSR-in-Europe (incl. Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova and Baltic states) | 1.75 | 2 | 2.5 | 3 | 3 | 3.5 | 4 | 6 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 12 |
8. Czechoslovakia | 0.8 | 1 | 1.25 | 1 | 0.7 | 1 | 1.25 | 1.5 | 2 | 3 | 2.5 | 3 |
9a. Switzerland | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.8 | 0.6 | 0.8 | |||||
9b. Austria | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.6 | 0.5 | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.7 | 0.9 | 1.25 | 2 | 1.25 | 2 |
10. Hungary | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.6 | 0.8 | 1.25 | 1 | 1.25 |
11. Romania | 0.6 | 0.8 | 0.8 | 0.6 | 0.5 | 0.6 | 0.8 | 0.9 | 1 | 1.5 | 1.25 | 2 |
12. Iberia | 4.5 | 5 | 5.5 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 4.5 | 5.25 | 6.5 | 8.75 | 6.5 | 7.75 |
12a. Spain | 4 | 4.5 | 5 | 4.5 | 3.5 | 3.75 | 4 | 4.5 | 5.5 | 7.5 | 5.5 | 6.5 |
12b. Portugal | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.5 | 0.5 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.6 | 0.7 | 0.9 | 1.25 | 0.9 | 1.25 |
13. Italy | 5 | 7 | 7 | 5 | 3.5 | 4 | 5 | 5.75 | 7.25 | 10 | 7 | 10 |
14. The Balkans | 4.5 | 4.25 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 4.25 | 4.5 | 5 | 4 | 4.5 |
14a. Former Yugoslavia | 1.25 | 1.5 | 1.75 | 1.25 | 1.75 | 2.25 | 2.25 | |||||
14b. Albania | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.2 | |||||||||
14c. Greece | 2.5 | 2 | 2 | 1.5 | 0.8 | 1 | 1.25 | 1 | ||||
14d. Bulgaria | 0.5 | 0.8 | 0.5 | 0.8 | 1 | 0.8 | ||||||
14e. Turkey-in-Europe | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.3 | |||||||
15a. Cyprus | 0.15 | 0.15 | 0.17 | 0.2 | 0.15 | 0.2 | ||||||
15b. Malta | 0.01 | 0.01 | 0.01 | 0.02 | 0.01 | 0.02 | ||||||
Faroes | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | ||||||
15c. Iceland | 0.05 | 0.07 | 0.07 | 0.07 | 0.06 | 0.06 | ||||||
Greenland | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | ||||||
15d. The Azores | 0.01 | |||||||||||
15e. Madeira | 0.02 | |||||||||||
15f. The Canaries | 0.02 | 0.02 | 0.02 | 0.02 | 0.02 | 0.01 | ||||||
Asia (including Asian part of Turkey and former USSR) | 105 | 115 | 130 | 130 | 140 | 155 | 185 | 230 | 250 | 230 | 235 | 280 |
1a. Turkey-in-Aisa | 5 | 6 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 6 | ||||
1b. Syria and the Lebanon | 2.25 | 1.5 | 1.75 | 1.5 | ||||||||
1c. Palestine and Jordan | 0.6 | 0.8 | 0.5 | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.6 | 0.5 | 0.5 | ||||
1d. Arabia | 2 | 5.25 | 4.5 | 4.5 | ||||||||
1d-1. The Gulf Coast | 0.1 | 0.1 | 0.1 | |||||||||
1d-2. Saudi Arabia | 1 | 2.5 | 2 | 2 | ||||||||
1d-3. The Yemen | 1 | 2.5 | 2.25 | 2.25 | ||||||||
1d-4. Oman | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.2 | ||||||||
1e. Iraq | 1.25 | 1 | 1 | 2.5 | 2 | 1.75 | 1 | 1 | ||||
1f. Iran | 4 | 5 | 4.5 | 5 | 3.5 | 4 | ||||||
1g. Afghanistan | 2 | 2.5 | 2.25 | 2.5 | 1.75 | 2 | ||||||
2a. Caucasia | 0.3 | 0.5 | 1 | 1.25 | 1.25 | |||||||
2b. Siberia (Russian Federation east of the Ural Mountains) | 0.1 | 0.1 | 0.2 | |||||||||
2c. Russian Turkestan | 1.5 | 2.5 | 3.5 | |||||||||
3. Mongolia | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.8 | 0.6 | ||||||||
4. China | 42 | 53 | 63 | 53 | 50 | 50 | 66 | 105 | 115 | 86 | 81 | 110 |
4a. Chinese Turkestan and Tibet (incl. Qinghai) | 1 | 2 | 2.5 | |||||||||
4b. Inner Mongolia and Manchuria (incl. Ningxia) | 2 | 4 | 5 | |||||||||
4c. China Proper | 40 | 50 | 60 | 50 | 45 | 50 | 60 | 100 | 115 | 85 | 75 | 100 |
4d. Taiwan | 0.1 | 0.2 | ||||||||||
5. Korea | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 1 | 2 | 2.5 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 3.5 | 4 |
6. Japan | 0.1 | 0.3 | 0.7 | 1.5 | 3 | 4 | 4.5 | 5.75 | 7.5 | 9.75 | 12.5 | 17 |
7. The Indinan Subcontinent | 31 | 35 | 41 | 47 | 53 | 64 | 79 | 83 | 86 | 91 | 97 | 105 |
7a. Pakistan, India and Bangladesh | 30 | 34 | 39 | 45 | 51 | 62 | 77 | 80 | 83 | 88 | 94 | 100 |
7b. Sri Lanka | 0.3 | 0.8 | 1 | 1 | ||||||||
7c. Nepal (incl. Sikkim and Bhutan) | 1 | 1.5 | 2 | |||||||||
8a. Myanmar | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | ||||||||
8b. Thailand | 0.5 | 1 | 2 | |||||||||
8c. Indo-china | 1 | 2 | 4 | |||||||||
8c-1. Vietnam | 0.4 | 0.8 | 2 | |||||||||
8c-2. Laos | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.4 | |||||||||
8c-3. Cambodia | 0.5 | 1 | 1.5 | |||||||||
8d. The Maly Archipelago | 2 | 4 | 8 | |||||||||
8d-1. Malaysia and Singapore | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.4 | |||||||||
8d-2. Indonesia | 2 | 3.75 | 7.75 | |||||||||
8e. Philippines | 0.1 | 0.5 | ||||||||||
Africa | 16.5 | 33 | 46 | |||||||||
1. The Maghreb | 3.75 | 5 | 3.75 | |||||||||
1a. Morocco (incl. Western Sahara) | 1 | 2 | 1.5 | |||||||||
1b. Algeria | 2 | 2 | 1.5 | |||||||||
1c. Tunisia | 0.8 | 1 | 1 | 0.8 | ||||||||
2. Libya | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.5 | 0.5 | ||||||||
3. Egypt | 4 | 5 | 4 | |||||||||
4. Ethiopia | 0.5 | 1 | 2 | |||||||||
5. Somalia | 0.2 | 0.4 | 0.8 | |||||||||
6. Sudan | 2 | 3 | 4 | |||||||||
7. The Sahel States (Mauritania, Mali, Niger and Chad) | 1 | 2 | 3 | |||||||||
8. West Africa | 3 | 7 | 11 | |||||||||
9 Equatoria, Zaire and Angola | 1 | 4 | 8 | |||||||||
10. East Africa | 0.3 | 3 | 6 | |||||||||
10a. Uganda | 0.1 | 0.8 | 1.5 | |||||||||
10b. Kenya | 0.1 | 0.8 | 1.5 | |||||||||
10c. Tanzania | 0.1 | 0.8 | 1.75 | |||||||||
10d. Rwanda and Burundi | 0.6 | 1.25 | ||||||||||
11. South-Central Africa | 0.1 | 0.5 | 1 | |||||||||
12. Mozambique | 0.1 | 0.3 | 1 | |||||||||
13a. South Africa, Swaziland and Lesotho | 0.1 | 0.3 | 0.6 | |||||||||
13b. Namibia and Botswana | 0.1 | 0.2 | ||||||||||
14a. Madagascar | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.7 | |||||||||
14b. The Comoro Islands | 0.01 | |||||||||||
14c. Reunion | ||||||||||||
14d. Mauritius | ||||||||||||
Seychelles | ||||||||||||
The Amecias | 4.5 | 9 | 14 | |||||||||
1. Canada | 0.1 | 0.1 | 0.2 | |||||||||
2. The Continental USA (incl. Alaska) | 0.2 | 0.4 | 0.8 | |||||||||
3. Mexico | 1.5 | 3 | 5 | |||||||||
4. Central America | 0.3 | 0.6 | 0.8 | |||||||||
5. The Caribbean Islands | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.3 | |||||||||
6a. Colombia | 0.3 | 0.6 | 1 | |||||||||
6b. Venezuela | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.4 | |||||||||
6c. The Guyanas | 0.1 | |||||||||||
7. Brazil | 0.4 | 0.7 | 1 | |||||||||
8a. Equador | 0.2 | 0.4 | 0.6 | |||||||||
8b. Peru | 0.75 | 1.5 | 2 | |||||||||
8c. Bolivia | 0.3 | 0.6 | 0.9 | |||||||||
8d. Paraguay | 0.1 | 0.2 | ||||||||||
9a. Argentina | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.3 | |||||||||
9b. Chile | 0.2 | 0.4 | 0.6 | |||||||||
9c. Uruguay | ||||||||||||
Oceania | 1 | 1.5 | 2 | |||||||||
1. Australia | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.2 | |||||||||
2. Melanesia | 0.7 | 1.25 | 2 | |||||||||
3. Polynesia | 0.1 | 0.2 | ||||||||||
4. New Zealand | ||||||||||||
World | 150 | 170 | 190 | 190 | 200 | 220 | 265 | 320 | 360 | 360 | 350 | 425 |
Region | 1600 | 1650 | 1700 | 1750 | 1800 | 1850 | 1875 | 1900 | 1925 | 1950 | 1975 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Europe (including European part of Turkey and former USSR) | 100 | 105 | 120 | 140 | 180 | 265 | 315 | 390 | 470 | 515 | 635 |
1. The British Islands | 6.25 | 7.5 | 9.25 | 10 | 16 | 28 | 34 | 42 | 48 | 54 | 59 |
1a. England and Wales | 4.25 | 5 | 5.75 | 6 | 9.25 | 18 | 25 | 33 | 39 | 44 | 49 |
1b. Scotland | 0.7 | 0.8 | 1 | 1.25 | 1.5 | 3 | 3.5 | 4.5 | 5 | 5.25 | 5.25 |
1c. Ireland (incl. Northern Ireland) | 1.25 | 1.75 | 2.5 | 3 | 5.25 | 6.5 | 5.25 | 4.5 | 4.25 | 4.25 | 4.5 |
2. Scandinavia | 2.25 | 2.5 | 3 | 3.75 | 5.25 | 8 | 9.75 | 12.5 | 15.5 | 18.5 | 22 |
2a. Denmark | 0.7 | 0.8 | 1 | 1.5 | 1.75 | 2.5 | 3.5 | 4.25 | 5 | ||
2b. Sweden | 1 | 1.5 | 2.5 | 3.5 | 4.25 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8.25 | ||
2c. Norway | 0.5 | 0.6 | 0.9 | 1.5 | 1.75 | 2.25 | 2.75 | 3.25 | 4 | ||
2d. Finland | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.8 | 1.5 | 2 | 2.75 | 3.25 | 4 | 4.75 | ||
3. France | 10.5 | 21 | 22 | 24 | 29 | 36 | 38 | 41 | 40 | 42 | 53 |
4a. Belgium and Luxembourg | 1.5 | 1.5 | 1.75 | 2.25 | 3.25 | 4.5 | 5.5 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 |
4b. The Netherlands | 1.5 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3.75 | 5.25 | 7.5 | 10 | 13.5 |
5. Germany | 12 | 11 | 13 | 15 | 18 | 27 | 33 | 43 | 55 | 70 | 79 |
6. Poland | 5 | 5.5 | 6 | 7 | 9 | 13 | 18 | 24 | 28 | 25 | 34 |
7. Former USSR-in-Europe (incl. Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova and Baltic states) | 15 | 17 | 20 | 26 | 36 | 60 | 75 | 100 | 125 | 120 | 160 |
8. Czechoslovakia | 4.5 | 3.75 | 4.5 | 5 | 6.75 | 9.25 | 10.5 | 12 | 13.5 | 12.5 | 14.5 |
9a. Switzerland | 1 | 1 | 1.25 | 1.5 | 1.75 | 2.5 | 2.75 | 3.25 | 4 | 4.75 | 6.5 |
9b. Austria | 2.5 | 2.25 | 2.5 | 2.75 | 3 | 4 | 4.75 | 6 | 6.5 | 7 | 7.5 |
10. Hungary | 1.25 | 1.25 | 1.5 | 2 | 3.25 | 4.25 | 5 | 7 | 8.25 | 9.25 | 10.5 |
11. Romania | 2 | 2.25 | 2.5 | 3.5 | 5.5 | 8 | 9.5 | 11 | 13.5 | 16.5 | 21 |
12. Iberia | 10.5 | 9.25 | 10 | 12 | 14 | 18 | 20 | 23 | 27 | 35 | 42 |
12a. Spain | 8.5 | 7.5 | 8 | 9.5 | 11.5 | 15 | 16.5 | 18.5 | 22 | 27 | 34 |
12b. Portugal | 2 | 1.75 | 2 | 2.25 | 2.75 | 3.5 | 4 | 5 | 5.5 | 8 | 8 |
13. Italy | 12 | 11 | 13 | 15 | 19 | 25 | 29 | 34 | 39 | 47 | 56 |
14. The Balkans | 6 | 6 | 6.25 | 8 | 10 | 13 | 15.5 | 20 | 27 | 34 | 45 |
14a. Former Yugoslavia | 2.75 | 2.75 | 4.75 | 6 | 7.25 | 9.5 | 13 | 16 | 21.5 | ||
14b. Albania | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.8 | 1 | 1.25 | 2.5 | |||
14c. Greece | 1.5 | 1.5 | 2.25 | 3 | 3.5 | 4.5 | 6 | 7.5 | 9 | ||
14d. Bulgaria | 1.25 | 1.25 | 2 | 2.5 | 3 | 4 | 5.5 | 7.5 | 8.5 | ||
14e. Turkey-in-Europe | 0.4 | 0.4 | 0.6 | 0.8 | 1.25 | 1.5 | 3.25 | ||||
15a. Cyprus | 0.12 | 0.11 | 0.11 | 0.11 | 0.11 | 0.15 | 0.18 | 0.23 | 0.33 | 0.49 | 0.64 |
15b. Malta | 0.04 | 0.05 | 0.07 | 0.08 | 0.1 | 0.13 | 0.15 | 0.19 | 0.25 | 0.31 | 0.33 |
Faroes | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | 0.01 | 0.01 | 0.01 | 0.02 | 0.03 | 0.04 |
15c. Iceland | 0.05 | 0.05 | 0.05 | 0.05 | 0.05 | 0.06 | 0.07 | 0.08 | 0.1 | 0.14 | 0.22 |
Greenland | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | <0.01 | 0.01 | 0.01 | 2 | 0.05 |
15d. The Azores | 0.06 | 0.08 | 0.09 | 0.1 | 0.15 | 0.23 | 0.26 | 0.26 | 0.24 | 0.32 | 0.29 |
15e. Madeira | 0.03 | 0.03 | 0.04 | 0.05 | 0.07 | 0.08 | 0.13 | 0.15 | 0.2 | 0.27 | 0.25 |
15f. The Canaries | 0.05 | 0.07 | 0.1 | 0.14 | 0.2 | 0.26 | 0.28 | 0.36 | 0.5 | 0.79 | 1.2 |
Asia (including Asian part of Turkey and former USSR) | 375 | 370 | 415 | 495 | 625 | 795 | 825 | 975 | 1150 | 1450 | 2300 |
1a. Turkey-in-Aisa | 7.5 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 13 | 14 | 19 | 36 | ||
1b. Syria and the Lebanon | 1.75 | 1.5 | 1.5 | 1.75 | 2 | 2.25 | 3 | 4.75 | 10 | ||
1b-1. Syria | 1.25 | 1.25 | 1.75 | 2.25 | 3.25 | 7.25 | |||||
1b-2. The Lebanon | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.75 | 1.5 | 3 | |||||
1c. Palestine and Jordan | 0.5 | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.8 | 1.25 | 2.75 | 6.25 | ||||
1c-1. Israel and Palestine | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.9 | 2.25 | 4.5 | ||||
1c-2. Jordan | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 0.6 | 1.75 | ||||
1d. Arabia | 5 | 4.5 | 5 | 6 | 8.75 | 15 | |||||
1d-1. The Gulf Coast | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.5 | 1.5 | |||||||
1d-2. Saudi Arabia | 2.25 | 2 | 2 | 2.25 | 3.25 | 5.5 | |||||
1d-3. The Yemen | 2.5 | 2.25 | 2.5 | 3 | 4.25 | 7 | |||||
1d-4. Oman | 0.3 | 0.4 | 0.6 | 0.8 | |||||||
1e. Iraq | 1.25 | 1 | 1 | 1.25 | 2.25 | 3 | 5.25 | 11 | |||
1f. Iran | 5 | 5 | 6 | 7.5 | 10 | 12 | 17.5 | 34 | |||
1g. Afghanistan | 2.5 | 2.5 | 3 | 3.75 | 5 | 6.5 | 9 | 16 | |||
2a. Caucasia | 1.5 | 1.75 | 2 | 3.25 | 5 | 7.5 | 10 | 16 | 25 | ||
2b. Siberia (Russian Federation east of the Ural Mountains) | 0.2 | 0.3 | 1 | 2.5 | 3.5 | 6 | 19 | 27 | 34 | ||
2c. Russian Turkestan | 4 | 4.5 | 6 | 8 | 11 | 14 | 18 | 36 | |||
3. Mongolia | 0.6 | 0.7 | 0.8 | 1.5 | |||||||
4. China | 160 | 140 | 160 | 225 | 330 | 435 | 415 | 475 | 530 | 590 | 835 |
4a. Chinese Turkestan and Tibet (incl. Qinghai) | 3 | 4 | 8 | 12 | |||||||
4b. Inner Mongolia and Manchuria (incl. Ningxia) | 6 | 7 | 10 | 20 | 37 | 50 | 85 | ||||
4c. China Proper | 150 | 130 | 150 | 215 | 320 | 420 | 400 | 450 | 485 | 520 | 720 |
4d. Taiwan | 0.2 | 1 | 2 | 2.5 | 3 | 3.5 | 7 | 16 | |||
5. Korea | 5 | 5 | 6.25 | 7 | 7.5 | 9 | 10.5 | 12 | 18.5 | 30 | 50 |
6. Japan | 22 | 25 | 29 | 29 | 28 | 32 | 36 | 45 | 60 | 84 | 110 |
7. The Indinan Subcontinent | 135 | 150 | 165 | 175 | 190 | 230 | 255 | 290 | 330 | 445 | 775 |
7a. Pakistan, India and Bangladesh | 130 | 145 | 160 | 170 | 185 | 225 | 245 | 280 | 315 | 430 | 745 |
Bangladesh | 23 | 24 | 29 | 34 | 42 | 74 | |||||
India | 189 | 210 | 237 | 260 | 356 | 600 | |||||
Pakistan | 11 | 12 | 16 | 22 | 33 | 70 | |||||
7b. Sri Lanka | 1.25 | 1.5 | 1.75 | 2.25 | 2.75 | 4 | 5.5 | 7.5 | 14 | ||
7c. Nepal (incl. Sikkim and Bhutan) | 2.5 | 3 | 3.5 | 4 | 4.5 | 4.75 | 5.5 | 6.5 | 8 | 12.5 | |
8a. Myanmar | 4.5 | 5 | 6 | 8 | 10 | 12.5 | 15.5 | 19 | 30 | ||
8b. Thailand | 2.25 | 2.5 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 7 | 11 | 19 | 42 | ||
8c. Indo-china | 4.5 | 5.25 | 6.5 | 9 | 11.5 | 15 | 22 | 34 | 55 | ||
8c-1. Vietnam | 3 | 4 | 6 | 8 | 11.5 | 16.5 | 26 | 44 | |||
8c-2. Laos | 0.7 | 1.5 | 2.5 | 3.25 | |||||||
8c-3. Cambodia | 2 | 2.5 | 5.5 | 8 | |||||||
8d. The Maly Archipelago | 8.75 | 10 | 13.5 | 17 | 23 | 40 | 59 | 85 | 145 | ||
8d-1. Malaysia and Singapore | 0.5 | 0.6 | 0.8 | 1 | 2.5 | 7.5 | 15 | ||||
8d-2. Indonesia | 8.5 | 9.5 | 12.5 | 16 | 22 | 38 | 54 | 77 | 130 | ||
8e. Philippines | 0.8 | 1.25 | 2.5 | 4 | 5.5 | 8 | 12 | 20 | 42 | ||
Africa | 55 | 61 | 70 | 81 | 93 | 110 | 140 | 205 | 385 | ||
1. The Maghreb | 5.5 | 4.25 | 5.75 | 7 | 9 | 11.5 | 14 | 22 | 39 | ||
1a. Morocco (incl. Western Sahara) | 2.25 | 1.75 | 2.5 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 9.5 | 17.5 | ||
1b. Algeria | 2.25 | 1.75 | 2.5 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 9 | 16 | ||
1c. Tunisia | 1 | 0.8 | 0.8 | 1 | 1.5 | 3.5 | 5.5 | ||||
2. Libya | 0.5 | 0.6 | 0.8 | 1 | 2.5 | ||||||
3. Egypt | 5 | 4.5 | 3.5 | 5.5 | 7.5 | 10 | 14 | 20 | 37 | ||
4. Ethiopia | 2.5 | 3 | 5 | 8 | 12 | 18 | |||||
5. Somalia | 1 | 2 | 3 | ||||||||
6. Sudan | 5 | 6 | 7 | 9 | 13 | ||||||
7. The Sahel States (Mauritania, Mali, Niger and Chad) | 3.5 | 4 | 4.75 | 6 | 6.5 | 8.5 | 15 | ||||
8. West Africa | 14 | 18 | 20 | 22 | 27 | 35 | 51 | 105 | |||
8a. Guinea | 15.5 | 21 | 42 | ||||||||
Senegal | 1.6 | 2 | 4.5 | ||||||||
Gambia | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.5 | ||||||||
Guinea-Bissau | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.6 | ||||||||
Guinea-Conakry | 2 | 2.2 | 4.5 | ||||||||
Sierra Leone | 1.7 | 1.9 | 2.9 | ||||||||
Liberia | 0.7 | 1 | 1.8 | ||||||||
Ivory Coast | 2 | 3 | 6.7 | ||||||||
Upper Volta | 2.5 | 3.1 | 5.8 | ||||||||
Ghana | 2.5 | 4.5 | 9.8 | ||||||||
Togo | 0.8 | 1 | 2.2 | ||||||||
Benin | 1 | 1.5 | 3 | ||||||||
8b. Nigeria | 19.5 | 30 | 63 | ||||||||
9 Equatoria, Zaire and Angola | 8.5 | 9 | 10 | 12 | 15 | 17.5 | 22 | 40 | |||
9a. Equatoria (Cameroon, CAR, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon and Republic of the Congo) | 4 | 5 | 6 | 10 | |||||||
9b. Democratic Republic of the Congo | 8 | 9 | 12 | 24 | |||||||
9c. Angola | 3 | 3.5 | 4 | 6 | |||||||
10. East Africa | 7 | 8 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 16 | 23 | 49 | ||
10a. Uganda | 2 | 2.5 | 3 | 3.5 | 5 | 12 | |||||
10b. Kenya | 2 | 2.5 | 3.5 | 4.25 | 5.75 | 13 | |||||
10c. Tanzania | 2.5 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 8 | 15.5 | |||||
10d. Rwanda and Burundi | 1.5 | 1.75 | 2.5 | 3 | 4 | 8 | |||||
11. South-Central Africa | 1.25 | 1.5 | 2 | 3.25 | 7.75 | 16 | |||||
11a. Zambia | 0.5 | 0.75 | 2 | 5 | |||||||
11b. Zimbabwe | 0.25 | 0.5 | 2.5 | 6.25 | |||||||
11c. Malawi | 0.5 | 0.75 | 2.25 | 5 | |||||||
12. Mozambique | 1.25 | 1.5 | 2 | 2.25 | 2.5 | 3 | 3.75 | 5.75 | 9 | ||
13a. South Africa, Swaziland and Lesotho | 0.7 | 1 | 1.5 | 2 | 3 | 5.5 | 8 | 13 | 27 | ||
13b. Namibia and Botswana | 0.32 | 0.425 | 0.71 | 1.55 | |||||||
Namibia | 0.2 | 0.25 | 0.4 | 0.89 | |||||||
Botswana | 0.12 | 0.175 | 0.31 | 0.66 | |||||||
14a. Madagascar | 1 | 1.5 | 2 | 2.75 | 3.5 | 4.25 | 8 | ||||
14b. The Comoro Islands | 0.02 | 0.03 | 0.03 | 0.05 | 0.06 | 0.08 | 0.12 | 0.16 | 0.3 | ||
14c. Reunion | 0.02 | 0.07 | 0.12 | 0.18 | 0.19 | 0.26 | 0.5 | ||||
14d. Mauritius | 0.01 | 0.06 | 0.18 | 0.37 | 0.39 | 0.5 | 0.9 | ||||
Seychelles | 0.02 | 0.03 | 0.04 | 0.06 | |||||||
The Amecias | 11.5 | 13 | 16 | 24 | 59 | 91 | 145 | 220 | 325 | 545 | |
1. Canada | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 2.5 | 4 | 5.25 | 9.5 | 14 | 23 | |
2. The Continental USA (incl. Alaska) | 0.8 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 24 | 44 | 76 | 115 | 150 | 210 | |
3. Mexico | 3.5 | 4 | 4.75 | 5.5 | 7.75 | 9 | 13.5 | 15 | 27 | 60 | |
4. Central America | 0.6 | 0.7 | 0.8 | 1 | 2.25 | 2.75 | 4 | 6 | 9.25 | 18.5 | |
Guatemala | 0.9 | 1.4 | 2 | 3 | 5.5 | ||||||
El Salvador | 0.4 | 0.9 | 1.4 | 1.9 | 4.1 | ||||||
Honduras | 0.4 | 0.6 | 0.9 | 1.4 | 2.7 | ||||||
Niaragua | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.7 | 1.1 | 2.1 | ||||||
Costa Rica | 0.1 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.9 | 2 | ||||||
Panama | 0.1 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 0.8 | 1.7 | ||||||
5. The Caribbean Islands | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.5 | 1.1 | 2.1 | 4 | 5.25 | 6.6 | 10.7 | 16.8 | 27 |
Bahamas | 0.03 | 0.05 | 0.06 | 0.08 | 0.2 | ||||||
Cuba | 0.03 | 0.1 | 0.15 | 0.4 | 1.2 | 1.6 | 3.4 | 5.5 | 9.3 | ||
Jamaica (incl. the Caymans) | 0.05 | 0.17 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 0.74 | 0.92 | 1.4 | 2 | |||
Haiti | 0.03 | 0.05 | 0.19 | 0.5 | 0.9 | 1.3 | 2.5 | 3.4 | 4.6 | ||
Dominican Republic | 0.07 | 0.1 | 0.13 | 0.15 | 0.2 | 0.7 | 1.1 | 2.3 | 4.7 | ||
Puerto Rico | 0.01 | 0.05 | 0.15 | 0.5 | 1 | 1.4 | 2.2 | 3.1 | |||
US Virgin Islands | 0.01 | 0.03 | 0.04 | 0.04 | 0.03 | 0.02 | 0.03 | 0.09 | |||
British Leewards (Britich Virgin Islands, St. Kitts and Nevis, Antigua and Montserrat) | 0.01 | 0.03 | 0.07 | 0.1 | 0.09 | 0.1 | 0.08 | 0.11 | 0.15 | ||
Guadeloupe | 0.02 | 0.05 | 0.11 | 0.13 | 0.18 | 0.24 | 0.21 | 0.35 | |||
Martinique | 0.02 | 0.08 | 0.11 | 0.13 | 0.2 | 0.23 | 0.23 | 0.36 | |||
British Windwards (Dominica, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and Grenada) | 0.01 | 0.03 | 0.08 | 0.11 | 0.18 | 0.16 | 0.28 | 0.39 | |||
Barbados | 0.04 | 0.08 | 0.08 | 0.08 | 0.14 | 0.18 | 0.16 | 0.21 | 0.24 | ||
Trinidad and Tobago | 0.02 | 0.08 | 0.27 | 0.38 | 0.63 | 1.1 | |||||
Netherland Antilles | 0.01 | 0.03 | 0.04 | 0.03 | 0.05 | 0.06 | 0.16 | 0.24 | |||
Bermuda | 0.01 | 0.01 | 0.01 | 0.02 | 0.03 | 0.04 | 0.06 | ||||
6a. Colombia | 0.8 | 0.8 | 1 | 2 | 2.5 | 4.25 | 6.5 | 11.5 | 22 | ||
6b. Venezuela | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.7 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2.5 | 3 | 5.25 | 12 | |
6c. The Guyanas | 0.1 | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.7 | 1.25 | ||||
7. Brazil | 1 | 1.25 | 1.5 | 2.5 | 7.25 | 10.5 | 18 | 30 | 52 | 105 | |
8a. Equador | 0.5 | 0.5 | 0.5 | 0.8 | 1 | 1.5 | 2 | 3.25 | 6.75 | ||
8b. Peru | 1.5 | 1.5 | 1.5 | 2 | 2.75 | 3.75 | 5.5 | 8 | 15.5 | ||
8c. Bolivia | 0.8 | 0.8 | 0.9 | 1.25 | 1.5 | 2 | 3 | 5.5 | |||
8d. Paraguay | 0.2 | 0.2 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.6 | 0.8 | 1.5 | 2.5 | |||
9a. Argentina | 0.3 | 0.3 | 0.3 | 1 | 2.25 | 4.75 | 10.5 | 17 | 25 | ||
9b. Chile | 0.6 | 0.6 | 0.7 | 0.9 | 1.5 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 6 | 10.5 | |
9c. Uruguay | 0.1 | 0.9 | 1.5 | 2.25 | 2.75 | ||||||
Oceania | 2.5 | 2.25 | 4.5 | 6.75 | 10 | 14 | 23 | ||||
1. Australia | 0.2 | 0.6 | 2 | 3.75 | 6 | 8.25 | 13.5 | ||||
2. Melanesia | 2 | 2 | 3 | 5 | |||||||
3. Polynesia | 0.3 | 0.2 | 0.025 | 0.425 | 0.74 | 1.32 | |||||
Tonga | 0.02 | 0.025 | 0.05 | 0.09 | |||||||
Samoa | 0.04 | 0.05 | 0.1 | 0.2 | |||||||
French Polynesia | 0.03 | 0.035 | 0.06 | 0.125 | |||||||
Cook Islands | 0.008 | 0.01 | 0.015 | 0.025 | |||||||
Tokelau, Niue and the Ellice Islands | 0.005 | 0.008 | 0.012 | 0.02 | |||||||
Hawaii | 0.15 | 0.3 | 0.5 | 0.86 | |||||||
4. New Zealand | 0.1 | 0.2 | 0.1 | 0.75 | 1.5 | 2 | 3 | ||||
World | 545 | 545 | 610 | 720 | 900 | 1200 | 1325 | 1625 | 2000 | 2500 | 3900 |
Aurichalcum (talk) 21:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
John D. Durand, 1974, "Historical Estimates of World Population: An Evaluation," University of Pennsylvania, Population Center, Analytical and Technical Reports, Number 10.
Region | AD 1 | 1000 | 1250 | 1500 | 1750 | 1900 | 1970 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
China | 70-90 | 50-80 | 100-150 | 190-225 | 400-450 | 750-850 | |
India, Pakistan, Bangladesh | 50-100 | 50-100 | 75-150 | 160-220 | 285-295 | 660-685 | |
Southwestern Asia | 25-45 | 20-30 | 20-30 | 25-35 | 40-45 | 105-115 | |
Japan | 1-2 | 3-8 | 15-20 | 29-30 | 44-45 | 103 | |
Remainder of Asia (excluding former USSR) | 8-20 | 10-25 | 15-30 | 35-55 | 110-125 | 410-435 | |
Europe (excluding former USSR) | 30-40 | 30-40 | 60-70 | 120-135 | 295-300 | 420-425 | |
Former USSR | 30-40 | 30-40 | 60-70 | 120-135 | 295-300 | 420-425 | |
Northern Africa | 10-15 | 5-10 | 6-12 | 10-15 | 53-55 | 71-73 | |
Remainder of Africa | 15-30 | 20-40 | 30-60 | 50-80 | 90-120 | 270-290 | |
Northern America | 1-2 | 2-3 | 2-3 | 2-3 | 82-83 | 228-229 | |
Middle and Southern America | 6-15 | 20-50 | 30-60 | 13-18 | 71-78 | 280-295 | |
Oceania | 1-2 | 1-2 | 1-2 | 2 | 6 | 6 | |
World | 270-330 | 275-345 | 350-450 | 440-540 | 735-805 | 1,650-1,710 | 3,600-3,700 |
Aurichalcum (talk) 21:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)Aurichalcum (talk) 21:35, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I looked at this article a few months ago, and when I looked at it just now, it was totally different. Now it calls the Xiongnu an empire, when they were just a tribal confederation. The Han empire was not marked as being bigger than the Roman empire last time I looked. Also, I have compared maps, and I see no way the Ottoman empire could have been bigger than the Roman empire. And why on Earth are the Ummayad and Abbasid empires counted as the same thing when everyone knows they're not? Also, in the Roman Empire size, I think it should include the abandoned German territories under Augustus. Why are three Byzantine empires included?
Taagepera (1997)'s estimated size for "Islamic Calphate" is as follows:
This needs some more fact checking. First of all, just by looking at the map i can tell its bogus. Some of the areas marked as Xiongnu territory is where a collection of Iranic language speakers occupied, such as Scythians & Sarmatians. Furthermore, it never was an organized empire like the Persian or the Roman empire, more like a bunch of tribes here and there. I don't see how that qualifies as an EMPIRE..
TheTruthA (talk) 21:36, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree with you. The Xiongnu should NOT be counted as an empire! If we count them as an empire, why don't we just mark down the whole American continent as the Indian Empire? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.105.128.58 (talk) 02:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree too, while Xiongnu map checking, the highest estimates I can find are 3.5 K2/m (the article stating the 9.0 k2/m never calls it an empire, and never calls it an empire for the ancient world, plus the 3.5 estimate was sourced and was on Wikipedia months ago, it is now lost in a huge pile of edits), and the largest the empire/confederation became was the size of 2.5 Mongolia's. The borders were undefined and always fluctuating, and the Xiongnu Huns never organized their realm, so if anyone wants to include it as an ancient empire, the only acceptable way is to listed as 3.5 k2/m under ancient empires, either that, or we should remove it. Currently I can't find the Xiongnu in this article anyways.
Is the Mediterranean Sea included in the Roman Empire's measurements? Because it should be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.105.128.38 (talk) 23:55, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, this section is made to discuss the reliability of a 9.0 figure for the Xiongnu, and the inclusion of a 10.7 figure for the Achaemenid Empire at its greatest extent. There are several concrete reasons and evidence (mainly 10) of why many now consider this estimate to be reliable;
What happened to this article? It was firmly agreed on that the Xiongnu weren't an empire. And the Achaemenids? No way! The southern, northern, and western borders are way stretched. They didn't control the whole horn of Africa. And they didn't control so much of the Balkans. They didn't own the whole Caucasus either. When Alexander's empire was at its height, it was about the same size of the Achaemenid empire, if not a little bigger. Yet this article says Alexander's empire was only half as big! What the? The whole thing needs to be reworked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.105.128.38 (talk) 02:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
TheTruthA (talk) 16:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)TheTruthA
Achaemenid Empire was still bigger than Alexanders empire. Acahemenid had shrunk and was severely weakened. When Alexander conquered the persian empire, he still did not have as much land as for example Darius I had under him.
Where do you get the Achaemenids controlling Somalia? Or Bulgaria? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.105.128.56 (talk) 18:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Roman Empire - 35.3% 80 million out of 226 million in the 2nd century AD Sassanid Empire, Persia - 37.1% (78 million out of 210 million in the 7th century AD
Anyone else react to that? 80million of 226million in 2nd century for Romans. Also says 78million out of 210million in 7th century AD. This would mean the population had DECREASED 16million within 500 years. I find this to be VERY unlikely. Please resolve this. TheTruthA (talk) 22:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
"Mcdevy and Jones say 78 mil for Sassanid of 7th century"
I have the source and it never stated that the sassanid population was that high, please dont make things up.
The current text is misquoting or misrepresenting its sources several times. In particular if several references are given it simply picks the largest (often a rather unreliable reference) instead giving range or picking the most reputable source. One example for this (old) persian empire. The somewhat reubtable sources range from 5-7.5 million km2, but the article used the 10 million figure from a self made area computation based on a rather questionable map (maps i've seen in reputable sources look rather different).--Kmhkmh (talk) 11:39, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Km, first off, I'm glad this issue has gotten some attention, becuase this is a never ending issue that should have been taken care of long ago. So I would like to thank you for investigating this, but mistakes are being made to the Achaemenid Empire as other users a awhile ago did, that is to the numbers. I currently changed the 7.5 to 7.7, because citation 4, even the source you put next to the AE says 7.75, so I just fixed the typo, the 7.5 comes from the British Museum source. If you want to continue this discussion (on how the AE could be 10.7), as I know you might want to, from now I suggest we discuss it in the What in the World... section above. Thank you.--67.160.195.101 (talk) 04:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Call The Xiongnu an empire. It says they were a confederation of nomadic tribes from Central Asia. This is so conflicting it's starting to get annoying. I'm not accepting Xiongnu as an empire. I hadn't even HEARD of an chinese empire untill i read this article. I knew about rome, Persia and Macedonia in the ancient world, as the biggest, then the smaller ones, Parthia, selucia greek ruled egypt etc, but this so called "Xiongnu empire" just popped up from nowhere. I Don't trust those source as reliable either. Academics i speak to have maintained that the persian empire was the largest one in the ancient world. Either find a proper very reliable source or remove it. Just because it's sourced it doesn't make it right. And the MAP used in the Xiongnu article is obviously usermade by Paint or Photoshop. That's not reliable at all!
TheTruthA (talk) 14:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok - to answer the points you've raised:
--Kmhkmh (talk) 12:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Km, I want to thank you for clearly stating the goals and requirements to revise our current understanding of the various issues concerning the AE and XE empires. I apologize that I have been unresponsive these past few days, it is because I am currently looking over hundreds of sources to prove or disprove things that you and me believe about those empires. So in the next message, which will be long, but will be put into a scrolling box because of its massive size, I will answer these four main questions (note; I have taken into consideration by finding and displaying only the mostly reliable, comparative, unbiased, unrefuted, and updated sources)...
A. One map showing places in the empire, but others don't show it, when combined make the most accurate green map that was removed. B. Maps showing tiny portions or half of Oman and Yemen with the western coast of Arabia in the empire. C. Maps showing Nubia, Ethiopia, and Punt loosly controlled but still inside the empire. D. Estimates that convey that the AE was mostly larger than 7.7, with maps accurately portraying the northern areas. E. Maps that have both Items B. and C. which show the empire at 10.7 not 7.7, the difference of 3 million square kilometers. F. Showing that when the most and reliable AE maps are found, they show a larger figure for the empire. G. Using the best sources, to show that tributaries (also no one says they were clients, vassals, or allies, the allies of AE were actually Carthage and Sicily) like Kush and Colchians and some others had those special names attached to them NOT because they were not territorially part of the empire, but because instead of paying tribute in money, they gave gifts. Semi-answer: This is because their type of money was not accepted by the AE, so they gave them gifts that the AE could use to exchange for money. Sounds complicated, for example; You desperately need 20 dollars, so you ask for if some money, I don't have 20 dollars, so I give you my shirt, which is 20 dollars, so you can exchange that shirt with someone for 20 dollars, that way you still get 20 dollars in cash or coins.
So there you go... The sentences inside the () are actually common knowledge to me, because I see them in many scholarly books on the AE, so they are not my interpretations or conclusions, but don't worry, these will also be answered in the next message. Which I hope can answer all of them the first time, because I know there are many, but I will try to the best of my ability to prove or disprove these questions, thank you.--67.160.195.101 (talk) 16:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
In a update, I would like to say that I'm done with finding sources for questions 1 & 2, so stay tuned, thanks (you don't have to respond to this message).--67.160.195.101 (talk) 02:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
The current figure of 5 million km2 ist well sourced, however in light of this discussion Talk:Roman_Empire#Accurate_figures_for_the_size_of_the_empire_under_Trajan it seems that is does not describe the empire at its maximal size, which apparently seems to be 6.5 million km2 instead. Note that Tuchin/Hall/Adams does not tell explicitly to which period of the empire the 5 million figure belongs. The 3rd source was a book on Marc Aurel, hence i suspect the 5 million might refer to size of the empire from Hadrian's reign to the crisis of 250. From this perspective at least all the different figures that are given in various sources seem to make sense 3.3 million (Goldsmith)/3.4 million (Taagepera) for the empire at he death of Augustus, 4 million (Seidel) as general (average) figure, 5 million (Tuchin/Hall/Adams, Mclynn) for most of the 2nd century, 6.5 million for the maximal expansion during trajan's Parthian wars.--Kmhkmh (talk) 04:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Km, I don't want to involve myself in another issue, but for this instance I have to agree with you. I always thought Rome was the largest or second largest empire, especially larger than Alexander's or Han's. I even remember a figure of 5.9 for Rome, and 5.4 for Alexander, but it was removed (not to go off topic, even a 3.5 for Xiongnu, that still can be found on foreign Wikis). So if you find a 6.5 source, I think it would be appropriate to add it, and since many other sources say Rome was the largest or second largest empire in ancient times, to listed it 3rd place. Best regards.--67.160.195.101 (talk) 16:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I added MiszaBot to the talk page because it's about 289,000 bytes. If consensus shows that there is a disagreement over this. I'll revert myself. Elockid (talk) 18:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I see no way that the Rashidun, Fatimid, and Sassanid Empires could have been bigger than the Roman Empire, or that the Ayyubid Empire and the Byzantine Empire could have been the same size. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.105.128.38 (talk) 18:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Your personal opinions don't matter, Rome may be larger if you count the water area, but in terms of land area it was smaller than the Rash, Fat, and Sassanid empires, I don't know about the Ayyubid and Byzantine, but your editing is out of control. We are tired of reverting your edits, please stop editing this article, The article has missed up again, and there are actually 2 sources that say 6.5 for Rome, and at least one source saying an impossible 9.0 for Rome, oops did I say that? So I'm going to restore Rome to 6.5 with a new reputable source, I might even look for more books saying 6.5 for Rome in Google Books, its just a matter of time, Xiongnu at 9.0 will also be restored. User Km I am not sure if your against a 6.5 for Rome, but please if your reading this please respond to the section titled AE Size Debate: Question 1 of 4, let me know what you think, I want your Wikipedian feedback before moving on to question 2 (if it seems to complicated tell me, so I can present a shorter focused version of it) thank you.--67.160.195.101 (talk) 11:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Several editors keep misquoting sources and enter data not being supported by the references they cite. That's unacceptable. If you cite or reference sources please make sure that their data does indeed match whatever you write in the article. Also you should check any source you use yourself and not just rip them off from elsewhere without checking them yourself.--Kmhkmh (talk) 13:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Whoah Km! Okay slow down... Look, I'm really sorry, I thought, as no one had removed it before, to have different estimate sources for one empire, for example, one area says Peak area estimated by Taagerperda at 5.0 km2 for Rome, while also including a 6.5 for Rome. Even AE has at least 3 citations by it, WHICH I thought was common practice in this article to show that we show different estimates for one empire to be fair. But I totally understand what you mean, I thought you were against the 6.5 source for Rome, and did not know you meant to include only one source there (which I also found that policy strange, so I now agree to have only one source, for example only a one 7.7 source for the 7.7 AE estimate). So I greatly apologize for this big misunderstanding. On another note what do you think about my answer to question 1 in the AE size debate? Wish you the best.--67.160.195.101 (talk) 15:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)