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How in the world do you create a contents page? I thought the ==section== tag would automatically create a contents page.
I'm wondering how people treated bad orthodontia problems in ancient times when they used things like traditional Chinese medicine and accupuncture? DyslexicEditor 22:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
212.240.16.7 15:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear colleges!
Would you please regard the discussion in the german article de:Kieferorthopädie. The user Dr. Risse is permanently trying to place advertisments for his company in the articel.
Greetings -- Andreas Werle 15:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
You are not wrong. He wrote a lot. Unfortunately what he wrote is his very personal opinion about orthodontics. Dr. Risse claims that common orthodontic methods are wrong. He insists that in order to avoid harming patients it is neccessary to adopt the concepts developed by him and his company. He failed to provide evidence for these concepts. He had to fail because there is no clinical study proving his point. Dr. Risse is a german orthodontist whose comments and concepts are not confirmed by any orthodontic faculty. Neither in germany nor elsewhere. In this article he put himself in a position equal to Angle and Andrews, which frankly is not where he belongs. If article length is what matters then this article is fine but sadly this article is filled with misleading information forged to support Dr. Risse's company. 81.219.62.100 22:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
This article has been tagged "disputed". Much of the text is self-serving philosophical views from Dr. Risse, and are not based on clinical evidence or studies. This article is currently not 'encyclopedic' neutral and is extremely biased. This article needs to be heavily edited and cleaned-up. It is poorly structured and needs to be wikified. To begin with, everything involving BFO should almost entirely be deleted. It is not a part of mainstream orthodontics. Most external links are related to Dr. Risse's personal interests and should be removed.
The article of Dr. Risse is definitely not a personal opinion. Each single postulation in this article is documented among other things by the literature of evidence based theories of official Anatomy and Evolution. The problem is, that central findings of Andrews on 120 plaster models and in this context with straight wires are in opposition to the evidence based theory of official anatomy. This of course is a threat for Straight-wire-techniques. The theory of official functional anatomy opens a bright spectrum for orthodontic treatments, stability and aesthetics. As official anatomy is in prime evidence, each patient has to be informed about it and about different treatment goals of straight wire anatomy.
@IP: full ack. See also the discussion in de:Kieferorthopädie. Greetings -- Andreas Werle 17:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Andy asked me to comment on the state of the article. It is immediately clear that Dr Risse, while expanding the article in quite a good way, has crossed the boundary into suggesting that his methods are better than "mainstream" ones.
To inform the debate, we need some information on how the profession sees Dr Risse's innovations. If they are a well-known school of thought (for which we would need evidence), they should be included. If not, there are probably notability issues with the innovations of one single practicioner. After all, this article is meant to describe how orthodontists generally practice in their field, not how it ought to be practiced according to X, Y or Z. A quick look at WP:TIGERS may be helpful here.
I would hope someone addressed the way citations are handled in this article, and it would be nice to have it Wikified a bit. Finally, the section headers are presently way too long - they go beyond describing the content on the sections. JFW | T@lk 19:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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With the last comment the discussion is getting serious, but still there are essential misinterpretations of my article. I´m not introducing a new "treatment method", rather I´m presenting the complexity of the masticatory organ by means of official textbook theories, among others of the internationally accepted anatomist G.-H. Schumacher and international accepted theories of Curve of Spee / Compensations Curve in relation with orthodontics. They are basics for general medicine, general dentistry and evolution. Additional my article is presenting the theory of occlusal morphology of L.F. Andrews, which is the result of studies of 120 plaster models. The main postulations of this theory are in opposition to all textbook theories in this field, which is presented and explained in my article. The definitions of official anatomy are obligatory for medicine and jurisdiction. They are no private findings of Dr. Risse, they are officially accepted definitions, worldwide. On the other hand, the anatomy of straight-wire-theory is a personal theory of L.F. Andrews on the background of a study of 120 plaster models, fitting to straight wires. Do you think, that this is a representative sample for an evidence based theory for teeth angulations and functional occlusion, and are your intentions to inform the public of Straight-Wire-Anatomy only? A dictionary should describe the morphology and the complexity of orthodontics with functional occlusion of the masticatory organ. This was done by Dr. Risse by a bright list of international accepted references. Beside this coordination of literature a "private" addition of Dr. Risse in this article is the focus on "age adapted anatomy and teeth angulations" on the study of head plates, as an orthodontist mostly is treating young growing patients. These findings of "age adapted angulations" support official textbook anatomy even more.
Dr. G. Risse 25 October 2006 (UTC)
69.56.216.142 19:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
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Dear Anonymus,
the level of this dispute is: the evolution of 120 plaster models against official textbook anatomy, lectured all of the world. You asked for references, click here: (I hope you will be able to perform that)
| http://www.uni-rostock.de/fakult/medfak/anatomie/ProfSchumacher.htm
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Your argumentation is absurd.
Again, I do not have a personal anatomical theory except "age related angulations". I refer to the literature of official textbook anatomy, among others to G.-H. Schumacher.
The official textbook theory of anatomy is the obligatory evidence based theory in dentistry!
It is absurd to argument, that the theory of anatomy should mention orthodontics. Orthodontics has to rely on findings of anatomy for diagnosis and treatment objectives.
The "Curve of Spee" and the "Compensation Curve" are internationally accepted conditions for a functional occlusion in general dentistry too. In denying them, straight-wire-anatomy of Andrews in orthodontics on the level of 120 plaster models is out of legality.
Dr. G. Risse 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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I don't relish intruding on this heated argument, but the state of this article is inexcusable.
Perhaps the orthodontic profession has something important to learn from Dr. G. Risse. In any case, I am not offended by seeing Dr. G. Risse's name placed together with Angle and Andrews. But Wikipedia articles are not the place for challenging the status quo. Orthodontics is just not practiced the way that Dr. G. Risse wants it to be and the arguments advanced in his favor take up much more of the article than necessary. Remember that NPOV (neutral point of view) must guide all articles. See also what Wikipedia is not.
I am therefore giving the article a much needed cleanup.
--Hanina
may i ask why the U of Illinois at Chicago dental school is more notable than the others in ortho? also, for the lay person, a word or two about how fluoride therapy is related to ortho treatment would be helpful (braces makes you more susceptible to cavity and fluoride helps...etc.) Mct mht 04:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Removed 3 links. They belonged to an individual practitioner who also sells orthodontic equipment and materials so they can be considered advertisement. 213.239.205.69 17:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
As a young teen, I took elective orthodontic work because it was considered a normal thing to do, to have "perfect" teeth. However, I feel compelled to warn off against this particular piece of Americana: this is a serious undertaking. The article isn't kidding about the possibility of wearing retainers indefinitely, i.e. for life. Because my case was not serious, the orthodontist recommended that I not extract any teeth, and in all perhaps that was a good call. But at the same time, it also means that my teeth will start crowding at the first opportunity, leading to chronic aches if I ever skip wearing my retainer for a few weeks. Choosing to take this procedure can be a lifetime commitment: know and understand what you are getting into. Of course, I understand that some people have serious problems with their teeth (Austin Powers, for example) -- and I'm not saying you should avoid it all costs. But at what price, beauty? The problem is that in America most kids get this at an age where vanity often overrides judgment. This is really a decision that should be made as an adult, especially if the procedure is elective for you (teeth don't have to be perfect, and if there's nothing particularly wrong about your smile or bite, decide carefully whether it's worth it to lose a unique part of yourself for the sake of conformity). 146.74.228.241 (talk) 20:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
A. This discussion page is not meant to be a forum about the artcile's subject (so the arguments above shouldn't even be here!) If you want to argue about the effectiveness of one treatment over another there are pleanty of orthodontic websites to do that, but this is an article about the nature of orthondontics as it is practiced in the mainstream. Of course you can mention 3rd party sources that reccommend one treatment over another, but don't be offended when someone includes another 3rd party source referencing an alternative.
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B. This article lacks a proper ammount of citations. I especially find this odd considering how widespread Orthodntics is around the world. Surely there are probably more sources than you can shake a stick at. But right now, just one? 75.186.111.99 (talk) 22:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
This articles focuses too heavily on only one (or I guess you could say "three") methods of orthodontic treatment. It does not give a broad enough base (overview) in the history, for full understanding. It is far too generalized. (i'm not saying to be overspecific, but to be "more" specific. There is only one definition of orthodontics given (and it is not sourced!) 70.61.247.31 (talk) 20:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Where is the criticism of orthodontic treatment?. The research of John Mew documents that orthodontics deforms bone structure. This article is not particularly informative and merely presents propaganda without citing the risks of orthodontic treatment. Young people researching this treatment should be informed of the possible complications and risks--or at the very least that a debate exists. Infolamb (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand this article. My niece started orthodontia treatment. I'm trying to find out whether she and her friends actually need orthodontia, and what the benefit is. I want to find the evidence for orthodontia.
There's a concept recently of medicalization of normal conditions. A pharmaceutical company will identify "social anxiety disorder" as a disease, and market a drug to reduce social anxiety disorder. Other doctors will say that social anxiety disorder is just a normal part of life and treating it with a drug will do more harm than good.
What is the problem that orthodontia is supposed to solve? The entry says that orthodontia treats "malocclusion." Why is malocclusion a problem? Why is overbite a problem? Does it cause pain, discomfort, difficulty eating, periodontal disease, loss of teeth, or any objective harmful outcome? If not, why treat it? If so, what is the published evidence that orthodontia improves the outcome?
Most people seem to get orthodontia for cosmetic reasons. When is it cosmetic and when is it needed?
I'm prepared to believe orthodontia is beneficial, if there is peer-reviewed, published evidence. But I can't find any. Nbauman (talk) 23:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to start a project with some students editing the Orthodontics page. Any suggestions on where to start? Dlcortho7889 (talk) 14:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
I've trimmed this article down significantly with the goal of summarizing and making the article accessible to the layperson. See this former version of this article, it had slowly accumulated so many technical paragraphs that it was unreadable. The article should of course be expanded, but we should have the essay Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable in mind :) – Thjarkur (talk) 00:36, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I think the section on Invisalign should be completely removed. There's already another page on Clear aligners which goes more in-depth into the topic and doesn't seem so biased. 2001:8A0:6CC0:4C00:4685:FF:FE54:F9A2 (talk) 17:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
why are they so popular 68.206.26.69 (talk) 03:21, 22 December 2023 (UTC)