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What a fantastic idea for an article!
It will probably become the most beautiful how to's in the wikipedia.
It's already a top three hit in the search engine. :-)
What a wonderful birthday present.
[User:[Two16]] : childern should eat poems. so too should dictators.
Poetry reading is usually a noun. There are going to be plenty of how to's in the pedia. There are many books which have been written with that title.
KF I have put a post on your page just before coming here. It reflects poorly on the demenour of wikipedians that new users feel that there is no gentle spirit here. You were right on the feeling of superiority; but, that is reserved for tyrants. The tyrants themselves are too dull to notice: they have no idea. The could not see the error of their ways but soon they shall.
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What a fantastic idea for an article! (Unqualified approval)
It will probably become the most beautiful how to's in the wikipedia.(defends against those who might trample it.)
It's already a top three hit in the search engine. :-)(Its true! And there were writers who said no one would find it)
What a wonderful birthday present.----- ( 2nd Wikipedian B.D. Jan 15)
(The next bit is a Revolutionary call to keyboards. It echos the ride of Paul Reveere and allude to your text. It shows the power of Language to the doubters. It is meant to give hope to any wikipedian who has had their view suppressed. It echos the reality of the wikipedia where refactoring of the talk pages insures that NPOV). It is instructive that all those people who hated what I posted were left stunned and silent for much comment. They couln't even find a npov fault in it. Any tyrant in the wikipedia is a Maroon
(echos the ride of Paul Reevere in Longfellow's poem)
(Lockdown Sv Rule)
User:Two16 : childern should eat poems. so too should dictators.
(There is a very famous childern's poem How to eat a poem. The final sentence simply means that whenever possible dictators should have to eat their words like the poem which follow does. The effect together was magnificeint. A very harsh poem was placed here afterwards. I removed it after several hours cause its purpose had been served. Writer and Artist can vanquish lies. Find it in the histories. I hope that this make up for any hurt you may have felt.)
First: do not harm the innocents. I am respectfully sorry.
I would just cut and paste the entire text of How to read a poem into the poetry article. --Uncle Ed _________________________________________________________________________________
What's the relevance of including an external link to the biography of Edward Hirsch?
I think "how-tos", especially of this sort, are by their nature too POV to be considered encyclopedic. There are certainly no widely agreed upon facts about how to read a poem. It doesn't hurt to give a historical treatment of how various well-known authors and scholars in the field have suggested reading poems, of how schools have taught it, and perhaps of prime examples. However, every statement should be qualified somehow, not delivered as fact, and the article title must be a noun. This is essential; a noun title, such as "Interpretation of poetry", says that this is an article about interpretation of poetry, while "How to read a poem" suggests that this is a how-to delivering subjective impressions of how a poem should be read, instead of objective impressions of the topic. Derrick Coetzee 10:19, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Is Reading poetry less contentious? --Theo (Talk) 19:40, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I may have taken "be bold" too literally (I'm new). I rewrote the page completely, in response to comments on "Pages needing attention". I had planned to cover specific aspects of poetry analysis as suggested above by Filiocht, but after writing a description of the process, and then wikifying that, I found that most of this material (overview of symbolism, overview of meter, etc.) are already well covered in other articles (Poetry is a featured article). So, instead I described the process of analyzing poetry, through specific examples, that I hope will show the reader what poetry analysis is and how to use the information in these other articles. In short, I thought that, yes, the page did need major work, and, no, I shouldn't re-invent a bunch of wheels. I am very open to making what I put up into an Overview section, and following it with separate sections on more specific topics, but my sense is that we may find that these separate sections already well covered in some cases (metrics and scanscion, for example) or in others should be given their own articles (such as schools of poetry). BradGad 09:43, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It seems to me that there is such merit in the material that BradGad proposed that I have 'rescued' it to /Draft so that it can be reworked and merged into the main article. The subpage can be deleted once the redrafting is complete. --Theo (Talk) 12:12, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is good material on this page, but its current organization strikes me as haphazard. What would folks think of the following organization, with "Overview" being mostly what is now in "Close reading"? The idea would be that the Overview gives readers an idea of what poetry analysis is, why it might be worthwhile to undertake, and how to go about it, and the subsequent sections would provide critical tools and concepts that readers would need to undertake poetry analysis on their own.
Obviously this is not exhaustive, but it does seem to me to be an extensible and maintainable structure. BradGad (Talk) 21:48, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Excellent structure ... much more coherent and fluid than my reworking of Filiocht's suggestion. Go for it! --Theo (Talk) 22:06, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the See Also section because all those articles are already wiki-linked into the body of the article. --Theo (Talk) 08:57, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Although we have exceeded the 32KB guideline, I think that we should keep working at the current level until the article stabilises. We may then see enhancing ways to reduce the article size by moving some material into other articles. We risk losing coherence if we chop up the article now. This is a complex subject and may not be suited to a 32KB limit. --Theo (Talk) 09:10, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I feel that what we are missing here is a section on analysing the big picture: What is the 'story' that is being told? Not the literal story but the heart of the poem. For example: Another tells of a buried child; The Destruction of Sennacherib tells of the last days of the Assyrian king; The silken tent compares a woman to a tent. In a sense, this about the 'theme' of a poem. It also embraces the voice of the poem (who is speaking), and the rest of the of Kipling's 'honest serving men': the events in the poem; when these occur; where is the 'speaker' and where do the events occur; why does the speaker speak? William Harmon has suggested that starting an analysis with: "This poem dramatizes the conflict between …" is a key technique and it fits into this big picture approach. [And now I find that Harmon is a red link, so I should explain that he is Professor of English at University of North Carolina, author of five books of poetry and editor of A Handbook to Literature.] My problem is that I cannot see how this fits in the existing article structure. Harmon's dramatic conflict approach feels like a school of criticism (does anyone know its name?) but the overall concept feels like a subsection of the Overview (which feels like a form of bloat).--Theo (Talk) 15:01, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have now moved this into the Imagery and symbolism section and expanded that. --Theo (Talk) 13:25, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Someone should nominate this for featured article. Revolución 02:52, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
This article links to monometer through octameter, and then says that those with more than 8 are quite rare. How common, to be exact, are those with 9 or 10?? Georgia guy 00:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Filiocht has suggested that ==Schools of poetry== and ==Schools of criticism== should be our next area of focus. The more I thought about the former, the more convinced I became that it should be a separate article linked from here and Poetry, at a minimum. So I synthesised List of schools of poetry. It needs expanding, tidying, and, more pertinently, a summary should be written in the section here. Precis is not my strength so would someone else like to have a crack at that? --Theo (Talk) 23:31, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
This article has a lot of great content, but the form and tone are of a textbook. The reader is carefully led through many examples. I would suggest lots of work to tighten up the article and remove the "teacher's voice", as outlined by the item "Page organization" above. NuclearWinner 21:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
(No comment required) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.232.122 (talk) 06:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
The introduction to this article is eerily similar to this site http://languageisavirus.com/poetry-guide/poetry_analysis.html 58.174.96.47 (talk) 11:10, 16 June 2010 (UTC)