GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Etriusus (talk · contribs) 20:21, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Per Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations, I'm going to redoing this review. Comments will be coming soon. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 20:21, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

Sourcing[edit]

  • I do think it is within the bounds of WP:ABOUTSELF—the two pieces of information coming from there being the date and the specific rule the subreddit violated. :3 F4U (they/it) 02:56, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
-I know a few people are going to be watching in on this review so please leave a comment if you have any ideas.
@Etriusus: If you reload and press the "x" button in time, you'll be able to access the article without being paywalled (I know reloading while inside the "reader view" on Firefox also works). Just FYI. :3 F4U (they/it) 19:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Drat, I messed up the ping twice! Third time's the charm... @Etriusus :3 F4U (they/it) 21:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copy-vios[edit]

identified 45 people who died by suicide after spending time on the website Word for word from another source, close paraphrasing at least
Pretty sure that was added by a blocked sock. I've rephrased it now. I had been thinking of rephrasing that sentence anyways because "after spending time on the website" felt too colloquial. :3 F4U (they/it) 19:51, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
the site was removed from online search results in Germany.
I'm gonna be honest, I think that's too simple of a sentence for it to be close paraphrasing. Could you provide a suggestion as to how I might rephrase that?
So, I went back and reread the sentence, I actually misread it the first time and thought it was copied wholesale. Yes it is very close to the original but I agree that it's likely short enough. Leave it for now, I might change the prose a bit myself. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 20:57, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Many U.S. states have laws against assisting suicide, but they are often vague, do not explicitly address online activity, and are rarely enforced.
Same sock. Fixed. :3 F4U (they/it) 19:51, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Earwig mainly tags simple phrases, and proper nourns
I've made a number of checks. I'll continue to make more as we go along.

Misc[edit]

No concerns about stability

Prose[edit]

I have already removed as many unnecessary citations as possible, but I do believe the rest are, at least for the moment, necessary.
Hm, this was a concern brought up before and I do agree to an extent that it can give off the impression of the website being wholly unmoderated. At the same time, I feel that it needs to be made clear that the website allows discussions on suicide, including promotion of suicide, to go on unrestricted (since that is what gives the website notability). :3 F4U (they/it) 19:51, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Freedom4U The issue with 'unrestricted' is that it implies a lot more than there actually is, it boarders on inaccurate information. 'unmoderated' will work better, same with 'controversial'. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 20:52, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Etrius I think "unmoderated" is significantly worse than "unrestricted", as that's actually false. Would open work? (Also, I still don't quite understand what it would imply about the site) :3 F4U (they/it) 21:47, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Freedom4U Open would work fine. The reason I dislike the term 'unrestricted' is that the site is very much restricted, a handful of countries have banned the site. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 02:04, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ohhhhh, I get your concern now. Changed to open.
I get that the Buzzfeed source comes out no holds barred against them, but unless Galante, Small, or SS explicitly say this, it's WP:UNDUE and WP:POV to outright say this as fact.
I've made the changes (mostly to match the way the incel article is phrased), but I'd note that this is also something pretty much entirely reiterated in the Washington Post and the CCDH report. I've also removed "have been found to" as that was unnecessary phrasing. :3 F4U (they/it) 22:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Okay, that'll be all for my first pass. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 02:16, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Freedom4U I've given the page a second pass, I've made some minor edits, please review them when you can. At this time I can't find anything more within GAN criteria. I will pass the page momentarily, please give me a sec to get the templates set up. On a personal note, thank you for being so responsive and letting me do this review piecemeal. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 03:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good Article review progress box
Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed
🏵️Etrius ( Us) 03:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by RoySmith[edit]

I'm not sure how to best do this, so I'll just leave my comments in a separate section.

RoySmith (talk) 23:02, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even if there were public domain photographs, my understanding is that it would likely be an issue wrt personality rights, though I'm not knowledgeable enough on this. :3 F4U (they/it) 02:56, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Responses (2023-07-22)[edit]

I've addressed all the comments so far and added strikethrough to them.

Those who believe in the blackpill tend to adopt violently misogynistic beliefs about the nature of women, particularly with regard to their sexual behaviour. They also tend towards nihilism, with many incels considering or advocating suicide or mass violence as the only ways out of their predicament.
This sentence was added by the blocked sock I previously mentioned, and I was unsure whether it would fall under WP:OR (or is just plain UNDUE) when it was added. Now that I have eyes on the article, I wanna ask: does the sentence appear appropriate? :3 F4U (they/it) 22:22, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Freedom4U I agree that it would be WP:OR. Cut the sentence. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 02:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I thought. Removed. :3 F4U (they/it) 02:36, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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