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If so, when did this happen? It isn't on the Good Article list. --LuigiManiac 12:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
How do you change the main title on pages here? 207.74.196.20 15:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
"Major interactions with other characters" seems to be incredibly long. Can someone split up this section into smaller parts or summarize it? Earthere 01:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)Earthere
Two other topics in this talk page have already discussed the massive length of the interactions section as well as the game history and abilities sections (probably a few others deserve to be thought about too), and it went nowhere. I think we fans are too lazy unless its about who Rouge is really in love with or whether or not to capitalize the T of the word "the" in Sonic the Hedgehog, lol Cigraphix 21:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
oh wait my bad, the abilities section was fixed up alittle Cigraphix 21:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm referring to the third paragraph under "Abilities". It was a Ring from his wrists (or ankles). If you take note into the few seconds it appears in the ending cutscene, you are able to see how it is a brighter color and smoother compared to the Flame Ring (where Sonic is wearing his in the same shot). Not to mention that the Flame Ring has dark edges on it, which is nowhere seen on the Ring Sonic is holding.
You can look at the video for yourself (it appears at 4:25 until 4:50): http://youtube.com/watch?v=UafoKSTLwhc
Besides, if that doesn't appease you, remember that its possible to beat the Dark/Final story without collecting Shadow's Flame Ring, since you need the Air Shoes from White Jungle to collect it back in Radical Highway (via light dash). And you can figure out the rest of what I mean.
Sonic X's take on that scene was not different in what Sonic was holding.
--Jinjo Ace 20:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
There has been alot of confusion on this topic. I think there may actually be a differnce between versions of the game (PAL, NTSC and JAP). I have the PAL version and sonic is holding shadow's flame ring. MindWraith 00:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree that it doesn't look like Shadow's Flame Ring, but it must be, because Shadow has all of his rings in Sonic Heroes. MegaWhatt 17:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I have to ask because if you remember all the feats of strength Sonic has shown as well. In SA2, Sonic can knock cars and other vehicles around like soccer balls in City Escape. And in Sonic X, I remember thinking during an episode "since when did Sonic have super strength?" as he struggled to hold something impossible large as if he were Knuckles (I can't remember the specific episode and can't actually go back and view any since the series is off the air, but I remember being annoyed by the ability blurring) Cigraphix 19:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I mean in Shadow The Hedgehog, Shadow could flip a bus!
Notice the only real time you see Sonic doing stuff like that is when he's going really fast? The reason they never list it is because Sonic's power is directly influenced by his speed. That's why the only time he shoves cars and stuff is when he's moving at high speeds. Shadow on the other hand, can do strength stuff while stationary.MegaWhatt 14:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Whether that counts or not, in Sonic Battle Shadow's 1st, 2nd and 3rd attacks are stated to be more powerful than that of any other character (except gamma's and the ultimates) even that of Knuckles' (Shadow's attacks have 3 points at strenght and the others have 2 points) though that could be miscalculated. 83.31.141.9 11:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
The "Sonic snowboarding in SA2B and knocking down cars" argument is ridiculous! The fact is that Sonic is super-fast. Think about a bullet. A human weighs much more than this tiny object. A human is obviously larger. But when the bullet is fired a high speeds (which nowhere near compare to mach one or higher) the human will be knocked over when hit by the bullet. Correct? I think that comparing Sonic and his weight and speed to that of a bullet and a human to a car is ridiculous. If travelling fast enough Sonic should be able to knock over huge robots like the Egg Emperor, so a car should be no small task, as he is much faster and larger than any bullet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.87.12 (talk) 18:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
You're right that Battle is pretty much moronic when it comes to cannon continuency, but I never claimed that Shadow is stronger than Knuckles. Knuckles is more physicly powerful than Shadow. Okay, I'm a major Shadow fan, and Shadow isn't every type. He is not speed, power, and fly. However, he does have some considerable abilities. On the Sonic knocks over a trolley from near standstill point you have to consdider that the game was originally intended for and was designed using Dreamcast technology. It is doubtful than they could have had he game determine if Sonic was going fast enough to knock over said object and so the point is not valid. I agree that Knuckles is much stronger physically but I still defer that modern game references are more acurate as SEGA is increasingly getting better technology to show in what instances what character can do what. Shadow flips busses from standstill (no momentum involved whatsover) in Shadow, which is modern technology gaming. Dreamcast is like sub sub modern or something. Knuckles has greater physical strength than Shadow, Shadow has greater physical strength than Sonic, Sonic has greater speed than Shadow, Sonic has greater strength than Tails, and that's about where the list should end. Sonic's place as "the fastest thing alive" should be respected, but he is no superhuman hedgehog. Whereas Shadow is inarguably designed for one purpose, cold, deadly, efficient killing. And who breeds a killer without giving them some muscles? So wither Gerald is a genius idiot, or Shadow's somewhat superstrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.74.43 (talk) 18:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
In his abilities. If you're talking him lifting a bus, thats a Gameplay mechanic. Not official.--Neofcon (talk) 16:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, Shadow can lift a bus in game with one hand, and it's not official, but Sonic Chaos Controls frequently in the final battle with Shadow in SA2 and people frequently won't shut up about how Sonic is supposedly "equal in ability to use Chaos Control to Shadow" when in obvious reality, Sega just needed a mechanic to keep Sonic from being left in the dust. I agree that in level gameplay mechanics can't be trusted, but they should count for something, not just be ignored. For example, that instance of Chaos Control DOES NOT prove Sonic can use Chaos Control at will, and DOES NOT prove that Sonic is an equally powerful user of Chaos Control if compared to Shadow. However, it DOES prove that he is capable of using Chaos Control, as if he wasn't the ability wouldn't be in the game. IN GENERAL, that should be the rule. However, occasionally, this rule is fudged by Sega. For example, anyone who's played Sonic Heroes knows that when flying, Cream lifts Big, who weighs like 60,000 lbs. So Cream is actually capable of lifting over thirty tons. Right.... and an orca can keep up with Sonic when he can run the "speed of sound" i.e. aproximately 700 mph. You are right in your own right, but consider the points I've made in this post before judging in game mechanics so quickly. After all, your theory completely negates Sonic's "trolley incident". And so thus leaves us with no proof but the damned Battle stats... Which makes Shadow stronger and faster. (Remember, Sonic being faster is a "gameplay mechanic" of Rivals and Sonic 06). Ouch to the Sonic favoring argument. User:Radman622 02:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Firstly: Well uh....I guess they're just as stupid to believe that then, what with sonic being obviously tired after using Chaos Control for the first time in his life IN THE DIRECT CUTSCENE THAT SHOWED HIM USE THE DAMN ABILITY!. So yes he can use it (as proven in the two cutscenes from SA2 and the two cutscenes in 06 as well)
Secondly: They only count to get you through the level by the laws of physics the game developers set for you. If they announce them as actual abilities, alright, but dont try to convince me that game mechanics count for anything when Sonic and Knuckles in Heroes can't even clear a high edge without being lifted up by tails. Or Knuckles causing fire attacks.
Thirdly: Cream and every fly character is programmed to lift the other two characters regardless of actual abilities so that they can get through the level. The orca in SA1 is added for a cinematic feel, and tell me, are you actually running at 700 mph in game? It's impossible even with speed codes on. The coding for that particular area will slow you down so the orca can keep up, leaving you with speeders to help you get passed it (and you'll never die on this part either because this is the only part of the game that is glitch free.)
Fourthly: Explain the trolly incident if you will.--Neofcon (talk) 03:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The trolley incident is just another example of fanboy bias. In SA2 (or SA2B if you will, which if you're an idiot stands for Sonic Adventure 2), in Sonic 's first level, he "snowboards" down a street. While snowboarding, he can knock over cars, which will fall down the street. I agrued that even if this counted for anything towards Sonic having super strenth (in gameplay physics mechanic) that the effect was likely a "bullet effect". I.E., a bullets mass translates to a large degree more force than you would suppose when it is moving migh speeds, and thus Sonic could be considered a very large, fast, bullet, capable of knocking over cars and giant robots ect, WHEN HE IS GOING VERY FAST. However, these ninnies won't shut up about how if you brake at the bottom of the hill and go very slow, you can hit the trolley and still knock it over. I told them "It's a Dreamcast! What do you expect! Even you said in game counts for nothing!". I get really tired of bias, don't you? User:Radman622 17:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I applaud you Cigraphix, for being smart (or nosy) enough to know the old phrase "know your enemy". Nice job there poking around my user page. (I do notice however, that you tried to discredit me rather than my arguments, thereby practically confirming them with your jargon. Way to go!) However, last time I heard, having an opinion does not make you biased. Twisting truth to fit your opinion is bias. Truth is debateable, so I won't go there. However, I try to be fair to all characters. Sonic is a very cool character who is quite possible (as some more recent games suggest) faster than Shadow. I have NEVER believed that Shadows muscular strength was greater than Knuckles' if you'll believe that then you'll believe Big is smarter than Eggman. But I have this to say: if you belive that IN GAME stuff counts for nothing, there is nothing to support Sonic being faster. If you do, there is clearly content which suggests Shadow can flip a bus with one hand. The ammount of strength required to achive this is debateable, but when was the last time you saw someone do it? The road goes both ways. Besides, the agument originally was not "Is Shadow strong", but rather "Is Shadow's strength noteworthy". I would say so! Someone can practically lift a bus and you don't want to give them recognition! Quite a shame. I admit, I made some rash words condemning bias, but I just get so sick and tired of the bickering. They're both cool characters (I just happen to think Shad a little cooler) and I don't see why one side of the "Who's better" war has to degrade the other's character. If Sonic really is faster, he deserves recognition for that. If Shadow is stronger... you know what comes next. Has Sonic lifted any busses? I would say not. I that, I believe, handily concludes this argument. (Even though I know you're probably jumping to ream me out, and that it probably WON'T be the end, good day good sir, you and all the other overly vicous Sonic AND Shadow fanboys are worthy opponents, but not up to the challenge.)Still believe I am Self Proclaimed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radman622 (talk • contribs) 07:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Look, Cigraphix, I'm sorry if I insulted you. I just get really tired of endless bickering and fighting, and once it starts I instincively get ruthless to protect what I believe to be the truth. I wasn't quite understanding where the argument was going, and I'm sorry if I offended you. I do agree that it is not all Sonic fan's fault, but most fans are NOT making an attempt to be fair to both sides. And when your opponents play dirty, you have to get down a bit yourself. I really am sorry, but I still hold by my major point, which was: if in game references don't count, (Shadow's not stronger then) then you have to discount ALL of them which are not backed up by official statements (Sonic's not really faster then). Which is fair. Personally, it doesn't matter that much, and I would like to OFFICIALLY conclude this argument (unless you'd like to apologize too, or something???). Good day to you all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radman622 (talk • contribs) 01:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
ok this thing is finally over lemme get something straight sonic is faster than tails,shadow is stronger than sonic,sonic is a litle bit faster than shadow and knux is stronger than shadow got it? Sure...for the sake of keeping this argument closed, Imma say yes...even though no proof of who is better than who exists (aside from Sonic's often mentioned title “Fastest thing alive”, which is canon). My last comment can stop this discussion if you listen. Ahem, Shut up! This isn't the place for your fanboyish claims masked in polite, 1800's type dialect that provide you to look like an intellectual. Newcomers will come into the conversation, like me, and try to figure out everything from what is stated above. Don't ask who is stronger, this isn't a forum.--SxeFluff (talk) 03:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
There is this cool web comic out called The AGENCY. This has quite a bit of different animated characters from different universes, and one of the characters is Shadow the Hedgehog, himself! Maybe we could create a Wikipedia page about this web comic; You guys have to read it first, though (I've already read through it all) at the point I've written this). To read the comic, look for JediAnn Solo on Drunk Duck Webcomics. Add to this section if you are ready to create a new page! Dragonstar4 8:44, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I have found proof stating that Shadow is Sonic's arch-rival... the back of the Shadow the Hedgehog game case says, "Uncover the truth about Sonic's arch-rival, Shadow the Hedgehog". This means that Shadow is Sonic's arch-rival. Eggman is the arch-enemy of Sonic. MegaWhatt 21:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
The actual meaning of enemy is one who tries to destroy or waylay and does not feel sympathy or affection for <insert subject>. A rival is is one who attempts to accomlish symilar goals or objectives better or faster than <insert subject>, and is somewhat competitive with <subject> although no real harm is intended. So Mario and Luigi could be considered as rivals in racing and sports games and such. Sonic and Shadow are definately rival type peoples, but are they "arch" rivals... hard to say. Sonic has aquired a large list of enemies and rivals over the years, which is now huge enough to be ridiculous. It's a bit tough to place any one charecter at the top of the list, but I think it's fair to say that Shadow is Sonic's arch rival, for now anyways. Radman 02:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Well the way I see it, the only people who could even come close to Shadow on the rival list are Knuckles and Metal Sonic. But Knuckles is a bit too friendly with Sonic to be a true archrival, and Metal Sonic has had few appearances as of late.MegaWhatt 17:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I dont like metal sonic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.20.135.69 (talk) 16:22, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I know, this seems to have been debated a lot, and I know I make a lot of arguments about stuff, but I find this to be incorrect. Look at the stuff Shadow has done on the heroic side.
1. Helped save the world from a collision with a large Space Colony and a giant lizard, almost giving up his life in the process.
2. While it is true that the above disaster was caused by Shadow, this was only because of being misled to believe that it was his friend's death wish (and hey, who wouldn't want to get some revenge if your best friend was shot up before your very eyes... I doubt even Sonic himself wouldn't want to spill some blood if something bad happened to Tails.)
3. Helped Sonic stop Metal Sonic by distracting Metal Madness.
4. Saved the world by himself from an alien menace. It is also of note that in the canonical ending he showed no hesitation towards stopping Black Doom.
5. He believed himself to be a weapon, saying that he would have to be destroyed for there to be peace. If that ain't a load of selfless heroic depressing crap, I don't know what is.
6. Apparently joined G.U.N (although the organization is questionable), and performed multiple heroic things, even saving Sonic... let me repeat that... SONIC!!! He showed no real problem working with Sonic either.
7. Helped Silver to realize that Mephiles lied to him.
8. Even after discovering that humanity would turn on him, reprogramming one of his closest friends to capture and seal him away, he did not turn on the world, instead continuing to fight.
9. He seemed sad when Sonic died, closing his eyes with a sad expression on his face. Now, would an anti-hero be sad at the death of a hero with whom he happens to have a record of hostility? I think NOT!
10. Saved Eggman, Rouge, and the world from Eggman Nega.
Let's compare that to the villainous side of things.
1. Almost destroyed the world (although as mentioned above, his reasoning is slightly less villainous than most others)
2. Fought Sonic a good number of times (though he did not initiate the fight in Sonic Heroes, and the one in Shadow the Hedgehog is questionable). Well, what about Knuckles? He's fought Sonic so many times, he could write a book on how to properly fight Sonic, but he's not an anti-hero.
3. Potentially killed various G.U.N Soldiers (although this is noncanonical). Had he retained his memories, he probably would not have done that.
And now things I'm neutral about.
1. The use of firearms and vehicles. While this does not scream heroic, it does not make him a villain either. Not unless he's aiming at the wrong people, which we have no canonical truth of. MegaWhatt 01:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Your words ring turth MegaWhatt, but... Shadow is NOT a hero. He only saves the world for his own purposes or reasons, while Sonic simply does it because it's right. I know that you could argue that Sonic is simply a far more heroic hero, and that a hero could be umheroic, or reluctant, but I think he's more of a "leaning towards good, not really sure what side he's on half the time, not quite in the Sonic Heroes club, Anti Hero" rather than Dark or Neutral Anti Hero. You see, I think there should be three kinds of Anti Heroes, Dark, Neutrals, and Good. Darks are somewhat evil Neutral people, Neutrals are not good or evil, and Goods are people like Rouge, Shadow, (in another series, sorry it's an example) Wolverine, Han Solo, etc. So while I agree that Shadow is undoubtably more good than evil (the professor's wishes came true. Perhaps not his crazy, deranged, final intentions, but his goal all the same is complete). However he is not, of present, a full fledged hero, becuase as you stated, he has joined a questionable military organization (they murdered everyone aboard ARK), and once did evil or questionable acts for excusable or good reasons. So Shadow, at least not yet, is NOT a hero. Radman 02:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
So after reading all of and agreeing with most of what has been posted so far, I will state my opinion. Shadow is an anti-hero, who is increasingly doing good deeds, but has had a history of evil or selfish acts. Rouge is a thief, and thus is and anti-hero, but seems heroic. Omega does want revenge and is willing to kill/destroy whatever gets in his way, but he seems to be able to make friends, and does not really want to cause destruction and death on a large scale, and is a anti-hero. Eggman wants to conquer the world, and has done extremly villanous acts (or attempted to) to acomplish this. While he may think he is righteous in his own right, or even stop the world from being destroyed on occasion, it is usually an outcome of his own evil plot, and he only does it becuase he can't rule a destroyed world. Mass murdering, power lusting, and self justified, egotistical maniac, Eggman is at the very least, as you call it an anti villain. However, I think he fits all the checks of a full fledged villain, even lying to Shadow about his past, and wanting to kill Sonic and several other obvious heroes. Eggman is evil. Perhaps not true, black hearted, nefarious, foul, cruel evil, like Metal Sonic, Mephiles, or Black Doom, but nonetheless, evil. However, on Shadow, does a hero swear and use guns? Now I know that I usually am furious when someone argues that one game, but I'll do it anyways. When was the last hero you saw shooting a gun and swearing? That counts for Omega too (maybe not the swearing part, but still). So Eggman is not a anti hero and Shadow is STILL not a hero. Radman 23:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Now I thought I had concluded this argument, but then I played Shadow in Sonic Next Gen. He seems heroic in that game, not swearing, not gun wielding, just saving Rouge and other innocent people from dying and refusing to take retribution on humanity for betraying him, and also saving the universe from Solaris. I don't know any more... Perhaps Sega's next Sonic game will shed some light on this ever dark and ambigous character... 71.222.74.43 19:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok, Just for the record, Besides his attempting to get the Chaos emeralds in "Shadow the Hedgehog" (Which even THAT is debatable, since he was an Amnesic in that game, and his "own reasons" for trying to find the Chaos emeralds in that game is so he can remember his past. It's no different than what Peter Petrelli did when He had Amnesia.), and trying to destroy the planet in his first appearance (Which was because he [Incorrectly] believed it to be Maria's last wish.), I don't really see how Shadow was selfish. Also, about the question "what kind of hero uses guns and swears a lot?" well, Let's see, there's Leon S. Kennedy, there's Ghost Rider, and there are other examples that I can't think of at the moment (Yes, I know they AREN'T Sonic characters, but bear with me).
~~Weedle_Mchairybug~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.151.230 (talk) 13:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
PS, I almost forgot. Someone here said that Shadow being a "Hero" was debatable also because he is currently working for GUN, which the organization in ITSELF was morally ambiguous. Well, I just wanted to point out that, canon or not, Sonic DID at one point work for (well, ok, he more made an alliance with them, but still...) GUN in Shadow the Hedgehog when Shadow fought against him AND the Diablo Mech prototype as the final boss (either in Hero/Dark Ending, Semi-Dark/Dark ending, or Dark/Dark ending), [Sardonic]I guess we should move Sonic into the Anti hero category because of that, huh?[/Sardonic] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.151.230 (talk) 02:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Every character has the right to ally themselves with villains when the world is a stake. I suppose all the times that Sonic has allied with Eggman make him a villian? Still, it is true that heros CAN swear and use guns, but it's not a very common hero trait. Besides, Sega seems to be moving in a different direction with Shadow now than they were in Shadow the hedgehog anyways, as I stated above. Also, you yourself admitted that almost everything in Shth is debateable, and so thus you cannot use a story ending to prove a point as it is NOT cannon that Sonic and Diablo fought Shadow. When arguing, don't use points which conflict with your other points. If in the next game, Shadow has the same heroic traits as he did in Sonic06, I propose we relist him under hero tho. That game made him a complete good guy (Aside from kicking Silver's puny little ass, but admittedly, he did it to save Sonic's life). User:Radman622 17:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
U gotta admit, seeing his best friend (heck, his ONLY friend)killed mercilessly would screw his mind quiet a bit. -dark52 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.164.122.113 (talk) 02:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is there a continued obsession to change all mentions of Super Shadow to Hyper Shadow? As far as I'm aware, Hyper Shadow is an error a strategy guide made. Is this ignorance, fanboy stubborness, more uneeded one upmanship over Sonic or what?--HellCat86 13:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
As a person who used to think it was hyper, and as an avid Shadow fan I can tell you that it is mostly ignorance. Shadow fans are loving every second of it while they think it is hyper thinking "ha! Shadow is hyper and sonic's just super!" But it is not a refusal to believe what Sega has stated. If you know Sega has said it is super, and refuse to agknowledge that just in an effort to add something to the list of why Shadow is better that I know you have in your head somewhere, you need to reconsider your views. I believe it is ignorance. For anyone who is reading this IT IS SUPER SHADOW, NOT HYPER SHADOW, SEGA HAS EVEN STATED SUCH. DREAM ON OR GET OVER IT. Did that satisfy anyone? RADMAN622 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.74.43 (talk) 19:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
STOP THERE IS A Hyper Shadow,cause if Sonic can turn hyper then Shadow can,Shadow is like Sonic but a darker more evil person,what ever Sonic can do,Shadow can do (better or evenly),it's just not shown.
Sonic has so hyper form, neither does Shadow. Don't be ignorant. MindWraith (talk) 08:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Yo dumb head,Isn't Shadow like Sonic,speed,attacks,spindash,and super form.So I'm right,cause they made Shadow with the same moves and characteristics as Sonic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.47.212 (talk) 13:36, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I know (I just know, and I'm telling myself right now that I'm an idiot and a million KnuxRouge fans are going to reem me out) that I should NOT start this argument, but I'm going to anyways. I think I heard recently that an official SEGA strategy guide (Japanesse) for Sonic06 reveals that Rouge has a crush on Shadow and vice versa. The Japanese guides have a habit of revealing stuff which proves to be true games later (Rouge's Ultimate Lifeform report) so what are we supposed to make of this. Also, this seems to be supplemented by the game (ie. Shadow saves rouge from fall over scepter of darkness, rouge pledges to never betray Shadow, helps him in his quest etc. Now what I want is not a thousand people reeming me (although I know that I'm just begging for it, and I repect your views KnuxRouge fans, but this is some research that must be done). I want someone to look into the official SEGA japancese guide for Sonic06, and verfiy or disprove this, whilst a debate (not a yelling contest) occurs here. Both sides have legit evidence, and both sides deserve respect for their views, and I repsect both sides. But what I can't respect is crazed reeming so please don't. Anyhoo, I say that the info (if it even exists) is probably true, but I am hesitant to jump to conclusions until I have more cited research. Could you all give me a hand, or make me put my foot in my mouth. Thanks, and crazed KnuxRouge fans, please don't kill me... (cowers, lol) signed, RADMAN622 No offence but shadouge just makes me AND my 13 friends sick.-Shadowgirl 4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.175.163 ([[User talk:71.10.175.163|talk]]) 00:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC) HAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!!I KNEW SHADOUGE WUD ONE DAY RULE THE WORLD HAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH!!!!!!!!SOUPYNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!LDGJWERUGIJGIWHWRIIRJKJDJDJSJ srry bout theadsttett SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!I!!!!!HAD!!!!!!!!!SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!WUPIFFUEUFHKJNDH!!!!(XDsyroswazhereXD (talk) 23:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC))
wtf was that? User:Radman622 16:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
In the Relationships section, it says that Big the Cat is an ally. Yet I've never seen Shadow and Big work together. Or is it referring to the Metal Madness battle? Cheeze Master 19:34, 23 September 2007 (UTC)Cheeze Master
I believe that is what it is refering to Sonic Heroes and the boss battle with Metal Maddness (though I hardly think it signifigant enough for Wikipedia). Remove it if you want, but I don't want a million Big the cat fans (scoffs) wigging out on me (if he even has a million fans, he has more like twelve. Sonic has like two hundred million, and Shadow probably has like twenty five million, and Big has twelve.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.74.43 (talk) 04:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Howcome Shadow didn't get upset when Sonic was killed by Mephiles he didn't cry or nonthing he just had his arms crossed and that was it 06:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I think Shadow was upset but he kept it inside you know he hides it from others to see 17:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes. I agree. And I don't like it. Mkrox (talk) 03:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC) (it translates from those four squiggly dash thingies into a signature; at first I thought it wouldn't work)
Simple, Shadow's a jerk. But to be fair, Knuckles nor Silver (h*** EVEN TAILS) hardly showed any emotion at his death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neofcon (talk • contribs) 15:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Forget what I just said. Looking at this site for so long is making Wikipedia go to my head and I have no idea what I'm talking about. MORTAL KOMBAAAT!!! XD (talk) 01:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Shadow was upset, but he's the kind whom you can't tell by their face what their emotions are. He's more of the quiet type when it comes to feelings. He's very respectable for that, and you shouldn't bag on him that way. -Mace (a Shadow fan)
Grrrr.... Ladies and Gentlemen can we please help try to stop the vandelism if at all possible... That is all.Wolly da wanderer 02:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC) Can't we semi-lock this page for a little while, just long enough for the vandals to get bored and leave? MindWraith 08:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC) I just got back the Sonic the Hedgehog (comic) section.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 19:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer
I think that we should do something. i just reverted about six of Luda06's changes to the Shadow image at the top of the page. That's just ridiculous...Sonicxtreme (talk) 00:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you think, we should make the Sonic the Hedgehog (comic) section into an individual article.I mean there does appear to be enough info to start a new article.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC) Fairfiedfencer
That, or either cut down the amount of info there. There doesn't HAVE to be that much.--Neofcon ([[User talk:Neofcon|talk]]) 13:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I`m not suggesting that, I just think that the Shadow the Hedgehog (comic) section should be a different article. Fairfieldfencer (talk) 13:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer
A whole different article all together? I don't think that would work out considering it's describing one character in an entire comic book series which isn't all about him. Plus we'd have to do that for the other characters which is totally unnecessary.--Neofcon (talk) 13:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
There are plenty of other Archie Sonic characters with articles, and besides I`m just suggesting Shadow as he has more info than the all rest, I`m not suggesting we do all of them, just Shadow as he has more info than the others.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 15:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer
Archie Sonic characters are different from main one's that starred in multiple media. Shadow's is combined because he appeared on games, comics, and TV. The actual solution would be to cut down info because it's cluttering the article. But making a new article for that little bit of info will get it deleted because I know for a fact some dude will delete it.--Neofcon (talk) 17:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)--Neofcon (talk) 17:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
OK I agree.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 21:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer
Infact, ill do that right now..--Neofcon (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Yet another case of vandalism, has been made. I shall make an attempt at getting back the original image.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer
I have reported Luda06 to the administrators and hopefully they will accept my pleas. Sonicxtreme (talk) 00:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
What image. I've never seen it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 00:06, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
the guy who put up the stupid picture of shadow is really gonna get it >:(
hmmph wiseguy.--99.241.156.180 (talk) 22:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
OKAY, WHO GOT RID OF THE PICS OF SHADOW FROM BATTLE AND SONIC RIDERS?!?!?! Nothing was wrong with the pics!!! Who took them?? There was no reason to delete them, nor did he/she/they tell anyone!! -Mace
Isn't our image policy on Sonic games "use the most recent, game art which is accurate to the character" in general? Then why the hell is the Sonic Rivals Pic still up on this article? I propose replacing it with some official Rivals 2 Shadow artwork. Anyone in favor of the movement, in possession of the neccesary art or willing to make the change? User:Radman622 02:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe they can't find it.--Neofcon (talk) 03:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I saw one, but it looked kinda small maybe some techno wizard can make it look bigger, its on a site called Sonic Art Archive, I would do it myself but I don't know how.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 11:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer
Although they just clog up main pages, theories on Shadow, Sonic in general, and TLoZ are welcome on Neon Apocalypse's talk page.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm. Huh?
What's so confusing about that? If you have a theory post it on my talk page. Geez!--24.137.74.235 (talk) 15:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)Neon Apocalypse
I don't think Shadow qualifies as a "Fictional Swordsman" (in categories). The only time he used a sword (to my knowledge) is in Shadow the Hedgehog, where you could pick up a sword and use it. He doesn't use them otherwise...of course I may be wrong. --Shrapnelwolf (talk) 06:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
No, you're kinda correct. Since he used it, he fits in that catergory.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 01:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Just because he can swing around a street sign, doesnt really make him a swordsman. MindWraith (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
If it did, bassically everyone'd be a swordsman thenSLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree, the ability to swing around a sword makes everyone with arms a swordsman. Obviously then, since in Super Smash Bros he can use the beam sword, Mario is also a fictional swordsman. Yea.... I think not. User:Radman622 17:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Categorizing Shadow as a swordsman would categorize JacobDarkgod (Look him up on youtube or ED) as a swordsman. Userboxmaker (talk) 21:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Shadow isn't technically a "Fictional Swordsman", because, as stated above, he was only seen sword-handling in Shadow The Hadgehog, where he could pick up a sword and use it just like all of those guns. And, before some crazed fan says, "Well Shadow was using a sword in Sonic and the Black Knight." Yes, he was. And so were Knuckles, Sonic and Blaze. Don't tell me that you want to catagorize that pyro as a Sword-Handler as well! Shadow isn't a real swords people! -Mace Kiwi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.231.237 (talk) 12:18, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I've been hearing this and I wanna know, is this really legit? Thanx. 76.105.204.255 (talk) 18:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes. He's an AT. He causes Chaos Control to your enemies. ;)SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure nobody cares about that, and feels betrayed by Nintendo and Sega for taking a crap on Shadow once again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radman622 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I care do. Alot of ppl do. Shadow's the 2nd most popular character.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 00:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm here from WP:VG/A. Summarising the below, I would recommend to rewrite this whole article and model it after a good article on a fictional character like Superman. Currently, this article is close to rubbish, because of the problems below. Apologies if this sounds really negative, but signalling problems is important to write quality articles.
Rating unchanged. User:Krator (t c) 11:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
In the "Abtilies" section, near the end of the second paragraph, you can read: "It is currently unknown as to what extent Chaos Control can be used, as Shadow has never been seen using it on another object without warping himself along with it, but it has been shown that he can take objects and people into the warp with him, and all examples of this suggest he must be touching to object to bring it with him (such as transporting the Black Comet off Earth)."
Pretty nice, but in the end of Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow warps the entire ARK to Earth's orbit without touching it, and without warping himself. True, he was in his super form, and he had Super Sonic's help, but still... Now I never played Shadow the Hedgehog (game) or Sonic the Hedgehog '06, so I don't know how he warped the Black Comet off Earth and I don't really know how to rewrite this. Ecco TheDolphin (talk) 23:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)Ecco TheDolphin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecco TheDolphin (talk • contribs) 23:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually, he did warp with it, he just then fell from it. Also, one could assume that the energy of two super forms is sufficent to warp something without physical contact. Maybe this sentance would be better off in the Chaos Control article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radman622 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Shadow, being the Ultimate Lifeform, is possibly the perfect creature. This includes Chaos Control, where he has so much power, he doesn't even need a Chaos Emerald to use some abilities, such as Chaos Spear and a few Short Distance Warpings. So there is no telling how far he can go with Chaos Control. Maybe he can even travel in the past if he has all 7 or possibly even less. (NOT A DIRECT QUOTE) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Game shaman (talk • contribs) 22:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Like Ecco said, Shadow was in his Super Form, but I'm more for the thoery that he never went back on ARK and simply fell after the Chaos Control, therefore he never made physical contact with the space station. Now before all you opposing this start thinking and saying, "Well Shadow never warped something without physical contact before; why should he start to now?" I'll give you some reasons why: 1) He was in his Super Form 2)Super Sonic was there with him 3) He took off his Life Force Braclets before he and Sonic could finally stop FinalHazzard, and put ARK back into orbit. Think- Two beings able to induce Chaos Control (one even able to preform Chaos Spear and short-range teleports without a single Chaos Emerald), put into the same area, whilst one removes his Bracelets, making him stronger. How could you say it was impossible for them to not be touching ARK to teleport it? And I know it's a canon, but in Sonic X episode 35 Shadow teleports Rouge and Chris along with him onto ARK, and he was just standing nearby, AND he only had 3 or 4 emeralds with him. -Mace Kiwi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.231.237 (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Why is he referred to as a Hedgehog When in the game he is part Black Arm and therefore a totally unique lifeform since Gerald combined Hedgehog DNA with Black Arm DNA inorder to create him? Does anyone else find this odd? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.160.80 (talk) 00:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
No. He looks like a hedgehog so they thought it would be okay to say he is. Besides, he looks like it and does not at all looke like those creepy narly tentacled, one-eyed or more-eyed pointy Black Arms. He is only of the its blood. He is in physical form, a hedgehog, but has the power and the relationship to Black Arms. (I mean, what? We should name him Shadow the Black Arm?). Passionatepen103193 (talk) 02:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Passionatepen103193
Well, wouldn't it be even more strange if his physical apperance is nearly identical to that of Sonic's (Minus his colour and the quills that extend from his head- they're tilted slightly upwards in the back), and people didn't call him a hedgehog? I have a feeling that if someone looks exactly like a hedgehog, people will call that someone a hedgehog. -Mace Kiwi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.231.237 (talk) 00:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
While it is well known that Shadow is fast, I wonder if he is naturally fast and the jets on is shoes are used to reduce friction, or is he using the jets as an unnatural speed enhancer.[^ Shadow's bio from Shadow the Hedgehog (game) manual: Shadow can "rival Sonic's world class speed." ] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Game shaman (talk • contribs) 22:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Actually in the shadow the hedgehog game...they reveal that he was created by Black Doom's blood and he's not a hedgehog...a Alien(. (talk) 16:28, 19 April 2010 (UTC))
These two sections tell the exact same story (the entire history of shadow from Sonic Adventure 2 up until the 2006 Sonic the Hedgehog game) twice. One section might mention a few details that the other one dont, but thats no excuse to have both remain in the article. Instead the two must be merged. I will wait, oh, lets say, two days to see if someone else wants do it (cause frankly, i really dont feel like doing it myself) but if nobody has made the move by then i will have no choice but to do it myself. Rattis1 (talk) 20:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Rattis1 (talk) 09:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I have no clue where everyone got the idea Shadow is immortal. I havent played SA2 or Shadow the Hedgehog in awhile so I either forgot or I'm simply out of the loop. So can someone gimme a reference please?--SxeFluff (talk) 03:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
It states in his bio that he is immortal and ageless. How else could the people imprision him in Silver's time- 200 years into the future? -Mace Kiwi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.231.237 (talk) 00:58, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
What i dont get is that shadow and sonic look the same even though they werent created/born at the same time(shadow 50 years ago)(sonic 15 years ago) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.98.78 (talk) 18:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I remember looking in the "Extras" section of my copy of Sonic Mega Collection Plus, and it must have been an earlier version, because it had a picture in there of Sonic & Shadow, which eventually became the cover artwork for Sonic Adventure 2. There was a text on the side near the pic, and it said something like "Sonic, as seen with his Darker Version, whom will soon be available in an upcoming game." I know from a few different reasourses that that was the origanal purpose for Shadow, but I guess they decided to toss out the idea; they obviously didn't want a 'Darker Version' of Sonic. However, they did introduce the Dark Super Sonic character in Sonic X, but that was from Season 3, and none of it was based off of/later became, a game. Why they got rid of the Dark Version Sonic yet kept Shadow and gave him his own past, backround, and abilities, is known only by those that were working on the game's developement themselves. So basically, I don't know. Ask Yuji Naka. -Mace Kiwi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.231.237 (talk) 01:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I wrote the basic description of the hover shoes and the likeness of Sonic way back when (you can look it up). That page actually borrowed some of the description from Wikipedia, only adding a few differences. This is why I believe that, as Wikipedia was the original, The Dark Brotherhood official page does not deserve the cite. --74.194.118.203 (talk) 09:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Shadow is playable in Sonic Chronicles. At first when you meet him in the mystic ruins,if you annoy him you can fight him.Beating him will not unlock him. When you come to Blue Ridge Zone,follow the path.You will now need to fight him 2 times.Beat him and he is unlocked.Shadow wants to find Omega out in Metropolis
This may need revising to look more organized and sound more encyclopedic. Could someone do so please?--Chykka207 (talk) 19:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry if this is a bother but i really think the main picture needs changing. It seems a bit outdated. I'm new to wikipedia so i'm not sure how to do pictures so copuld someone reply? Lolattack321 (talk) 15:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, as we all know, there's been those weird widespread about ShadAmy (aka ShadowxAmy). As much as it swoops all the attention of many fans, it has never been accounted for in the games once. The only time Shadow and Amy ever interacted would've been when she hugged him mistaking her for Sonic and the time she persuaded Shadow to save the world "I have to keep my promise to Maria...and YOU." is how I think he said it as confirmation.
People are oveswept by this fictional relationship because they seem to make a cute couple. Shadow being his tormented self and Amy being quite jolly and positive, like Richard Paul Evans wrote in Timepiece, "Two oddities make a normality." And people enjy th dreamy vision of Shadow finding joy in Amy, who they think remind him of Maria, and Amy finding someone who actually cares for her (as we all know, Shadow is imagined to be a gentleman). Anything I'm missng? Though, I wonder even with such a great influence, SEGA has never put it to mind. Nor did the Archie Comics. But how could Sonic love Amy when he is wound up in the Princess Sally and Mina Mongoose situation and since it is SO clear that Knuckles and ROuge could actually become a couple? Would Shadow and Amy just become spinsters??? -saria103193 119.94.230.136 (talk) 01:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm gonna get flagged for WP:NOTAFORUM for this I can already tell. I've never really liked the pairing as i'm more for Amy with Sonic (SonAmy, remember the time when everyone liked that and not ShadAmy? Yeah so do I.) but considering what you say about Sonic being with Sally and Mina are kind of unofficial, SEGA ultimately made Sonic a franchise when they gave Archie Comics permission to use Sonic, when they gave Archie permission they were basically saying that they could use him in their comics but they didn't say they would officially back anything that they wouldn't have supported from their version of the characters (and relationships fall into the category of things that they wouldn't support I have little reason to doubt.) therefore what you're saying is sort of invalidated, neither of the pairings with Sonic were officially supported by the crew with the final say. If you wish to counter this it's best to come with a source where SEGA states that they support things that Archie Comics do. MIVP - Allow us to be of assistance to you. (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 14:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Now that I think about it I once saw some news article that officialises that 'Sonic has a girlfriend' as the article put it. I'm gonna dig around for it. MIVP - (Can I Help? ◕‿◕) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 08:28, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Why is it that whenever I categorize Shadow as a cryonically preserved character, it gets removed? He has been cryonically preserved at least twice, so why can't I put it down? Nintendoman01 talk, 12:47, 26 May 2009
Sites,Offical info,and maybe some picture's of the manual/game?(. (talk) 16:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC))
Not wanting to cause any problems, but the game appearances section or namely the plot section is a bit of a mess. The descriptions makes it sound like that Maria died from NIDS instead of being shot, and the ARK's shutdown with GUN is never mentioned so it sort of makes the facts confusing. The end of the first paragraph, the conclusion of SA2 is mentioned and then the second paragraph goes on to repeat the events of SA2 preceding the epilogue. Perhaps this could be sorted out to avoid confusion? Evilgidgit (talk) 14:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
This artical cuts off at the Shadow the Headghog video game. It dosen't go on to tell about his current position. Sholdn't the artical talk about Shadow's Career? (A G.U.N.S. agent) Saprissy (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Looks like sonic to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill Riojas Mclemore (talk • contribs) 13:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I think it's a random comment stating the obvious fact that he looks like Sonic only with different colours. I don't even know where to start on this user... MIVP - Allow us to be of assistance to you. (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 14:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
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