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italy default? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.51.95.110 (talk) 08:55, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
sovereign default redirects but seems worthy of its own article. Rod57 (talk) 19:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be useful to list states that have gone long periods without default? I'm not sure where we'd get the sourcing, but the fact that the United States has essentially never defaulted on its debt has had major implications for its economy. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 18:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I reverted a recent major edit to this page because it contained statements that appeared to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view and the ban on original research. Maybe I failed to recognize a good-faith attempt to expand the page. I am reverting again, for the following reasons, but I invite the other editor to work on improving the points he/she made. Rinconsoleao (talk) 14:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
(1) A sovereign default and a sovereign debt crisis are not the same thing. There can be a crisis that is eventually resolved without default actually occurring. The old version of the page made this distinction (hopefully) clear; the new version conflated the two concepts.
(2) This long aside in parentheses seemed unclear, doubtfully correct, a run-on sentence, ideologically biassed, and unsuitable for the lead paragraph:
More specifically, (2a) 'usually accomplished' is probably not true. There are many ways of reneging on debt. (2b) the comment about the debt ceiling sounds like a political statement about current US debates. (2c) the comment about abolition being 'technically at the discretion' of the government was discussed elsewhere in the previous version of the page. Trying to fit it all into the lead paragraph makes the article less clear.
(3) I don't see what was clarified by the edits in the paragraph that begins 'Since a sovereign government...' They mostly seem to be copy edits, but they don't seem to clarify anything. In particular, what is the point of inserting the word 'legally'? Was the intention to point towards non-legal methods of obliging the government (e.g. in the 19th and 20th century imperial powers sometimes threatened or carried out military intervention to collect on sovereign debts, which depending on your point of view might not be 'legal')? Or was some other clarification intended?
(4) The paragraph on what the IMF does in debt restructurings seems to add useful content. We need to be sure it is compatible with WP:NPOV, but I will leave it in place. Rinconsoleao (talk) 14:52, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I reverted the claim that the US has defaulted on its debt. The first reason for the revert is that the references are inadequate (an online encyclopedia and a blog). Fortunately, those two references cited published references (an NBER study and the Reinhart/Rogoff book).
The second reason is that the events discussed (when going to those online references) may or may not count as default: in particular, when the US abrogated the gold clause, so that it paid back debts in dollars that were no longer backed by gold.
Since the issue of previous US defaults is currently politically controversial, it would be helpful to address the issue with precision, and with adequate references. Rinconsoleao (talk) 13:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Should it be noted at the start that it is usually a refusal to pay back the debt, not an inability to pay it off? Allens (talk) 20:40, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
This article contains a translation of Staatsbankrott from de.wikipedia. |
some discussion was written before the publishing of the article.
The title of this article was translated literally but incorrectly from the german page. The proper title should be "sovereign default". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.92.184 (talk) 16:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
this might serve for discussion as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insolvency#Government_debt
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_(finance)#Distinction_from_insolvency_and_bankruptcy --Stefanbcn (talk) 21:09, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_debt#Clearing_and_defaults --Stefanbcn (talk) 01:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I only speak English (and even then, not all that well). If you need help translating from another language, see Wikipedia:Translation. I hope that helps! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 21:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Here Iceland is listed as an example. However, the article 2008–2012 Icelandic financial crisis seems to indicate they're not bankrupt (or at least not quite yet). Which is it? --AbsolutDan (talk) 04:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
interesting sources cited for the claim --Stefanbcn (talk) 09:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Technically a country cannot go bankrupt. Bankruptcy is a formal part of civil law which involves the courts to decide how the bankrupt entity will be managed. The idea that a state is "sovereign" precludes any higher authority managing its affairs. The term used in English for total or partial default or other avoidance of debt obligations of nations is "sovereign default". See Reinhart, Carmen M.; Rogoff, Kenneth S. (2009). This time is different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly Princeton University Press. ISBN 0691142165.Skmacksler (talk) 19:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Done --spitzl (talk) 12:59, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
These two articles are talking about the same thing, but a lot of editing would be needed to combine them.Skmacksler (talk) 19:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the ((duplication tag)) from Sovereign default#Insolvency/over-indebtedness of the state. There has been no discussion on it in the nine years it was there. HueAskew (talk) 08:07, 13 May 2023 (UTC)