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'Death by rail has a 90% success rate'. This is misleading as it is from the LA Times. The success rate on London Underground is about 40% where most victims suffer amputation, never electrocution and live on with a severely degraded quality of life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.137.115 (talk) 10:28, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
I am trying to find suicide methods that guarantee death and ensure that the person doesn't end up alive and crippled or somehow disables. Please include more methods and how to attempt them.
a good bullet to the head should do the trick... dont worry i tryed before it works —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.207.242.238 (talk) 20:35, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.208.171.1 (talk) 18:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Watch Blade runner with Harrison Ford. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.150.20.106 (talk) 00:13, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I love wikipedia, we all do, that's the beauty of it. However, by simply asking, is this section necessarily appropriate. Where exactly will this end? First it tells you that a noose could be used to kill yourself, then it lists it in methods...what next? Will it tell you how to make one, where to hang it, and how long it'll take?
I sincerely hope that the people here remove this article. Would that stop someone from committing suicide? I don't know, but it certainly wouldn't hinder their process. If anything, it provides a catalyst to those wanting to commit suicide a faster path into doing it...imagine if the process of their 'searching' did these people run across an article that helped them instead?
Then again, I'm one voice, what do you guys thinks? Thanks... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.94.68 (talk) 01:06, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree. This article should be removed. I think this could in someway act as an aid to someone trying to commit suicide, and therefore is immoral. The suicide article is enough —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.57.230.43 (talk) 00:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
what if you're doing a school project and need all this shiznit on suicide? huh? what you think were gonna make it up ourselves -.- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.195.249.220 (talk) 23:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I’m very unsure if this article should be in Wikipedia too but I don’t see any way of getting rid of it, after all Jimbo Wales is committed to Libertarianism. Libertarianism generally is interpreted as meaning, that people can be free to do silly things with their own lives so long as they don’t harm other people, of course the terrible grief suffered by those Bereaved by Suicide is ignored in this calculation. I’ve known personally a family where a young man in his twenties killed himself and two decades later his mother hadn’t fully got over it. The Complete Manual of Suicide probably increased the suicide rate in Japan and this article will probably have a similar effect in English speaking areas. I’ve tried to reduce the harm by mentioning problems with some methods of suicide and adding advice to contact help lines. At least this article should reduce the numbers who die in agony through suicide and the numbers who survive suicide attempts with disabilities. By the way I approve of Assisted suicide in extreme situations. Proxima Centauri (talk) 08:40, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I strongly dislike this agree and believe that it should be moved whether or not does this article hold an NPOV stance. Its not just the way it's written. It's about content. A list like this could lead a person who was searching for suicide methods to commit suicide. Why not just delete this article before something negative happens and Wikipedia will/may have to face lawsuits and attention from the public media? I seriously have no idea why this article has to be here. List the methods? Fine. They have already been said in article Suicide. And that's plenty enough, isn't it? Prowikipedians (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
And, what's more disturbing is that over the past TWO YEARS, there have been FIVE NOMINATIONS FOR THE REMOVAL OF THIS ARTICLE. Prowikipedians (talk) 16:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Prowikipedians. This article is more like a "how to" guide than an encyclopedia article. Needs a major overhaul IMO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.200.219 (talk) 20:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
That's not necessarily true, many suicides are impulsive, if someone with what could be temporary depression comes acrosss this article and gets interested in the methods shown here that could be the difference between life and death. Proxima Centauri (talk) 08:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
This will be a hugely contentious request, but taking into account the number of people who are likely to read this article in order to discover ways in which to commit suicide, I think Wikipedia has a humanitarian duty to provide a link to some sort of counselling website in encyclopaedic fashion (possibly after the comment that most do not act on their urges).
CharlieRCD (talk) 11:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I've added the link, here, I note the suggestion was made a year and a half ago and was not taken up before. Proxima Centauri (talk) 08:54, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I've added links but they were removed, this removal will cost lives. Proxima Centauri (talk) 08:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I say, "Keep it!" (if it can be reworked to be anything more than a list of ideas that anyone could dream up while sitting on the toilet). Maybe it is not intended as a how-to guide, but it is almost devoid of any sort of meaningful information. Certainly the fact that people object to the topic is utterly irrelevant. Never has the change-the-channel-if-you-don't-like-it argument been more apt than in defending controversial Internet content. In broadcasting, channel space is limited and there is a sense in which the content "comes into the home" and appears before relatively passive viewers, in particular, children. But censorship is dicey, even with broadcasting. On the Internet and within Wiki people who don't like it should just stay away. It is certainly true that this content (if better) might, in fact, aid people in doing something which others believe that they should be prevented from doing. But the Internet is not our nanny nor is it the morals police for a particular point-of-view. 74.242.247.197 (talk) 20:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
To make it plain: It is very easy to find Internet info on how to commit suicide. Removing this article would do nothing to stop people finding such information. So removing it wouldn't serve any purpose.
That's a spurious argument. It is like arguing that there is no harm in having easy public access to guns, class-A drugs, or whatever other harmful materials, because somebody who really wanted to inflict harm on themselves or others would be able to find these anyway. By that logic, there would be little point in having any sort of regulations designed to preevent harm, because anybody who is determined to overcome the regulations could do so anyway.
The fact of the matter is that it is the responsibility of social institutions, like Wikipedia, to not act in any way that could unwittingly enable significant harm, even if this is unintentional. Therefore, it is essential that measures are taken to, where possible, prevent those who would likely harm themselves or others from doing so and to certainly not prevent tools that might encounrage harm. Sadly, this article falls into the latter category. Many people who would wish to commit suicide would be interested in suicide methods. This article abets vulnerable people to find out about suicide methods and therefore, more or less directly, abets suicide.
This is very morally questionable, therefore, as an article. That there are other articles that also teach suicide methods is neither here nor there. Wikipedia is supposedly a respectable institution. Such an argument is really sinking to a low in terms of justification and is the equivalent of saying, "well, everybody else is doing it!" and? this does not make morally repugnant behaviour any more legitimate.
That this question has come up before and rejected does not mean that it is one that is resolved, nor does it render it a legitimate article. Even if there were a consensus (which there does not seem to be), this also does not render the article legitimate. Rather, where basic moral issues are concerned, this should be decided on moral standards alone. Consensus is not enough, because there have been times where there has been consensus around flagrant immorality.
As for the question about whether there should be a link to a site to help people considering suicide, with moral considerations given their due weight, the common sense answer would be most certainly yes. Of course, technically such a link would not be encyclopedic content. However, there are many times when it is necessary to be flexible where extremes or great moral risk is concerned. It is for this same reason that warnings about the consumption of alcohol are, by law, placed on advertisements for beverages, even though this is not strictly advertising content, or similar notices are placed upon gambling adverts. These steps are taken because the extreme nature of the content and the associated dangers are recognized and therefore society collectively agrees to steps that would mitigate this.
Therefore, to summarize this long note, the key questions to consider here are: (1) Should Wikipedia have an article that serves to directly abet suicide and therefore tests the boundaries of morality? (2) Where such extreme risks of morality and humanity are at stake, what steps can Wikipedia take to mitigate this? Such as having a link to a page to help people at risk of suicide. (3) Is a how-to page appropriate encyclpaedic content for Wikipedia?
i dont see why this is a debate,especially since the people so far wanting it gone are going off the speculation that article on how people kill themself= people knowing how to kill themself i think its just as useful for people who have family members who they think are suicidal to lok out for,but this is just speculation aswell,so unless you find someway to prove that ONE sorce is killing people,go for it.but honestly wikipidia is sopposed to be impartial,just because it's a visted allot dosnt mean we have to get politically correct,that defeats nutrality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.4.241 (talk) 21:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I do not accept this as truth, as cutting wrists is one of the most common types of self-harm, which normally has nothing to do with suicide. Cutting wrists is in fact very unlikely to kill a person, and should therefore not be called suicidal behaviour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.210.34 (talk) 18:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Tony cut his arm, wrist or higher intending to kill himself.
Again I looked at the situation, saw no way out of it, just could not see a future of any kind. And opened up all the tablets, put them all in one pile together, looked at them again - it seemed like an hour but it was probably a couple of minutes - got a drink and took them all. Once they were inside me, I picked up the knife and cut myself across the arm, very deeply, there was a considerable amount of blood, the bedclothes were actually soaked in blood at this time. And just lay back. [1]
Proxima Centauri (talk) 18:55, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Why is there no information on how to be sure of successfully executing a suicide by gun in one shot? Aldrich Hanssen (talk) 02:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
This senttence is false: "Death most often results if the bullet enters above the ear. This destroys the parietal lobe, which is responsible for breathing and critical life processes" The parietal lobe is responsible for sensory integration. The brainstem is responsible for breathing and other critical life processes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.230.8 (talk) 15:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC) YOU ARE TO AMAZING AND BEAUTIFUL TO DIE:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.84.209 (talk) 05:33, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
What about poisoning and starvation methods? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.127.114 (talk) 17:01, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't bleeding to death be in it's own category here?
Would it be helpful if the methods were organized somehow, perhaps "political", "murder-suicide", etc.?joo-yoon (talk) 05:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Hello all people. I do agree that this page should be kept, but there is one line that is inappropriate, not academic/lacking a NPOV stance, and because of the controversy on this page, I don't want to edit it myself. Anyone who wants to edit it, it's in the drug overdose section. Here it is - "Considering the very high doses needed, vomiting or falling asleep before taking enough of the active agent might be a serious hurdle." That's not appropriate at all. It leans that the article IS meant to be a how-to on committing suicide, and the rest of it obviously shows it's not. Let's get to work, people! WiiAlbanyGirl (talk) 05:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this article provides any form of catalyst to perform the act of suicide for those at risk to it.
Either way, as long as the consensus is to keep the article (which I assume is the reason it is still here) wouldn't it be a positive aspect if the article includes treatment of the various methods of suicide? By treatment I mean the case that the suicide has failed or the case that the victim is caught in the act of suicide by some arbitrary person and a rescue/emergency treatment/resuscitation is attempted by said person. The main aspect of the article is to explain the suicide method itself, but I think it would be a positive aspect if treatment would be outlined with links to more detailed information for each specific technique. Any such knowledge might be useful to the lay person -- although general emergency treatment and first aid could (and should) be read instead there is no way to know that every reader of this article actually bothers to read and learn emergency treatment and first aid. The fact is that someone reads this article, out of interest or boredom, either way, why not include such useful information that could potentially help to save lives? Also, some good faithed help might actually make the injury worse, e.g. moving someone with a broken neck after failed defenestration.
Another minor positive aspect (if you can call it that) would be to describe the sensory experience of the patient in each case (preferably worst case where applicable) as descriptions of suffering or potential suffering might be a variable which makes the act of suicide less appealing to those at risk?
I think every technique should include at least:
Posix memalign (talk) 11:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
both water and salt (in sufficient quantities can kill a person aswell. mention in article; not the most certain death however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.181.52 (talk) 08:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I agree water and salt need an honorable mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.125.34 (talk) 06:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Water and salt isn't much painless than immolation. You might as well go for a 30 second burn rather than 30 minutes of your insides ripping apart or non-stop vomiting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Macs0451 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia is the first place that most people turn to to help them find out about stuff. So I reckon that there should be somesort of a link to a site that helps people work through their sucide wish so that they don't do it. I think that there are like RedCross things about it but I'm not sure. Instead of telling people the possible mothods, it should show who they can go to for help —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.215.239.188 (talk) 02:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Again, why ? Why not have a link to the Dignitas Clinic in Switzerland too, for those who only need 'help' in ending their lives? What on earth is your 'suicide wish' twaddle - have you been watching Oprah Winfrey?
I added the link towards the top just the same as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide I think this is appropriate and similiarly justified.108.3.8.225 (talk) 08:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Anyone researching suicide will not be offended, rather pleased to see a humanitarian approach to the prevention of suicide on Wikipedia. We as editors cannot do anything to physically prevent those seeking possible means of suicide from completing their objective. If all we can do is provide a potentially life saving alternative to death, then we should not be remiss in this opportunity. Consider the many who have family, friends, and/or loved ones whose lives will be missed. Do not disregard their suffering. Think of those desperate in a moment, ready to end their lives, but remorseful and regretful after a failed or reconsidered attempt. Those considering suicide may not be as resolute as you have decided, whereas death is final in its end. For this, I recommend a trivial and inconsequential (to the content) link to a suicide hotline. Google adds a suicide hot line to the top of any search for suicide. I think the same courtesy is applicable in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antibrian (talk • contribs) 06:01, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
There is no Murder Methods/Killing Methods page. There should be no Suicide Methods page. I do not care about the morality, I care about consistency. This page exists because it is an agenda being pushed by the right-to-suicide types. This page is sufficient: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Causes_of_death Please do remember to actually address my argument there is no Murder Methods page. 121.209.145.205 (talk) 05:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Reading the Hemenway study I see that the data didn't show a correlation between household firearms and suicide rate. This is not the same as saying there was "no such association ", it is simply saying that based on their data that they could not see whether there was an association or not. The present wording implies falsely that Hemenway found that there was no association. This should be corrected, but Yaf has reverted my attempt to make this correction twice now in quick succession. SaltyBoatr (talk) 17:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate
Since there is a page covering "causes of death" and suicide is "self-induced death", there is no need to create/update/preserve this article other than trying to get personal attention and/or prove something. You might feel suicidal and feel an urge to anonymously express your despair to millions, yet *DO* please leave wiki out of it by not writing totally obsolete articles... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.96.58.224 (talk) 00:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
In case someone is looking up this page for instructions, or in any case inspiration, could there be a link or something eyecatching to the Samaritans or similar? Preferably at the top, preferably attention grabbing? Wikipedia is the first source I (and thousands of others) check for virtually everything. 80.73.215.172 (talk) 18:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC) Why? Why can't you appreciate some people have actually had enough ,and have made a decision to end their own lives? Why does it have to be 'attention grabbing' or 'eye catching'?
Anyone researching suicide will not be offended, rather pleased to see a humanitarian approach to the prevention of suicide on Wikipedia. We as editors cannot do anything to physically prevent those seeking possible means of suicide from completing their objective. If all we can do is provide a potentially life saving alternative to death, then we should not be remiss in this opportunity. Consider the many who have family, friends, and/or loved ones whose lives will be missed. Do not disregard their suffering. Think of those desperate in a moment, ready to end their lives, but remorseful and regretful after a failed or reconsidered attempt. Those considering suicide may not be as resolute as you have decided, whereas death is final in its end. For this, I recommend a trivial and inconsequential (to the content) link to a suicide hotline. Google adds a suicide hot line to the top of any search for suicide. I think the same courtesy is applicable in this case. (note: i signed up to sign this statement.)
I have noticed that this page gets a decent amount of vandalism. Also, due to its controversial nature, I would like to propose that this page be at least lightly protected. Honestly I'm surprised it isn't already. -CharonM72 (talk) 21:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Morality/Ethics aside, this subject is not encyclopedic and really contributes nothing-- even the dullest individual knows that jumping off of a building results in death. And, as another person mentioned, it has a inherent problem: "Where does it end?" There are thousands of ways to commit suicide. I suggest that this be deleted! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.113.116 (talk) 18:27, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
i dont see why you some of you want this deleted. I say if some one wants to commit suicide let them it's there own life.You have no say in what they do with it.this article gives brife summarys about different ways to end your life if you see one that fits you look more into it and find out more about it. find out how to make a noose of where to shot your self in the head for certain death —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.120.176.143 (talk) 04:15, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Why does this article refer to the person commiting suicide as a "patient"? It sounds ass-backwards to me; I've always thought of patients as people who are being nursed back to health. Death seems as far from health as you can get. Even if it's assumed that suicide is a cure for depression or a poor life, the autonomy inherent to suicide makes "patient" a poor choice of words. If I take aspirin for a headache, I'm not my own patient. I dunno. Maybe I'm missing something. If so, fill me in, somebody. If not, I'll be glad to change this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by InedibleHulk (talk • contribs) 07:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
30% of deaths from suicide are from pesticides yet this is not mentioned. Gunnell D, Eddleston M, Phillips MR, Konradsen F (2007). "The global distribution of fatal pesticide self-poisoning: systematic review". BMC Public Health. 7: 357. doi:10.1186/1471-2458-7-357. PMC 2262093. PMID 18154668.((cite journal))
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
This section so poorly referenced and needs to be improved:
According to the Centre for Suicide Research at Oxford University, "[a]ll research suggests that showing, in detail, methods of suicide does result in an increase of those methods immediately afterwards, so portrayal of methods of suicide is ill-advised."[2] According to Mike Cobb of The Samaritans, an organisation which works with people contemplating suicide, "even showing a method on Casualty has led to an increase."[2] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
We have had 7 attempts to delete this article all based on the NYTs claim that exposure increases the risk! I have provided some proper evidence which is mixed.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:29, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
ok....so why did u post this,its not like it needs its own section,just for a link to another section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.4.241 (talk) 21:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I question the value of the "Advice" section on this article. Per WP:NOTMANUAL, "an article should not read like [...] advice column", and it appears to me to be unencyclopaedic to "strongly advise" readers in this way. jftsang 01:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Is that really the most accurate term to cover jumping to one's death? "Defenestration" usually refers to jumping out of a window, but what about jumping off a bridge and such? See Jumper (suicide) Tisane (talk) 09:26, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm not here to tell you to remove this article or to tone it down, as this is an encyclopedia and this article has its place.
Some of you know of the duality going on inside the mind while observing anything, including the content of this article. You also realize many people reading this article find it for the first time linked to by the results of many desperate search engine queries.
It is possible to, while preserving all logical, unbiased, referenced information concerning the topic encyclopedically, subconsciously instill (or change the probability of the individual to evolve themself into) a relatively beneficial mindset in individuals reading the article more from their emotional vector than the logical one. You all mustn't forget the indisputable fact that every edit indirectly modifies the population by maybe nil, or maybe thousands depending on how long it lasts and it's interaction with other content.
This is a request in great respect to someone who knows the mind and can take the time to do what they could. This isn't skewing the information, or biased against euthanasia for example, as someone with euthanizing in mind is already reading the article generally straightforward and factually, with a probably existing construct of the topic from previously learned content, not affected by specific sentence structure and slipped-in directed associations. Again I'm fairly sure that there is no way this article is at its best, and I hope a direct request motivates someone to be bold and try some reconfiguration. Don't be scared of making it worse; it's already in a random place along the effectiveness continuum and if you know what I'm talking about your edits will probably only move it to be better.
Please don't reply if you're going to just say "subliminal messages don't exist." Yeah, the examples you've been presented with. Psychologists know very well, the effectiveness of manipulation based on many drastically differing models of the mind. There is notable and measurable effects even though they don't make complete sense yet, but we know that we CAN manipulate. I hope this person isn't lying, a few topics above me: "I have provided some proper evidence which is mixed. Doc James" concerning correlation between rate and this articles accessibility. We can absolutely analyze what increases and what decreases, at least to a little extent.
Some general ideas so far: Perhaps start the article with more information on suicide itself. At the moment, a statement reads "Though individuals with suicidal feelings may consider these methods, most eventually do not act on them." This is pretty much the only thing that may give a reality check or have some beneficial effect. I'm not counting the hotline number, as this is disregarded by most of the target. It doesn't have to be biased or skewed or picked and chosen. Again you can reorganize the same sentences to lead somewhere good or somewhere bad. Just keep in mind many perspectives while editing. 69.196.161.227 (talk) 05:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
"One benefit of suicide by fire on other methods of suicide is the shocking display it can potentially cause with bystanders and other people in the field of view, similar to death by roof-jumping."
I think this is poorly worded.... Im not sure the word 'benefit' is appropriate (im also not sure if the sentence itself should really be there either). Since I'm new to editing ill leave this to someone else if they agree. ChunkyPastaSauce (talk) 03:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
This article is rather bleak. I feel that the information provided is not thorough enough for viewers to get moderate information. Could we please add more methods such as blunt force trauma and electricity. Perhaps come to an agreement on the most painless method in conclusion? Demettri (talk) 21:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
EgyptAir flight 990 while it may have been crashed by actions of the reflief first officer but neither the NTSB or ECAA said that it was a suicide. It is believed by some people that he was saving the flight. So I don't see how this can be included on this page without a note at the very least.Jamesrules90 (talk) 12:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
...would realize that this article is unsuitable for a responsible institution such as Wikipedia. This can easily be merged as a subsection within the 'Suicide' article in Wikipedia. Clearly, this is being used as a how-to guide by people seeking to commit suicide and none of us want blood on our hands, right? Citing official policies, such as NPOV and lack of censorship does not really make a case and is analogous to saying that an evil action is alright because one was following orders. Ethical principles stand on their own and if one does believe that ethical principles do exist, this is certainaly an instance where these would apply.
I wrote on this earlier in the page, but the posting was already too high up, so this seems to have been overlooked. Therefore, given the importance of careful deliberation on this matter, I repost this below:
The fact of the matter is that it is the responsibility of social institutions, like Wikipedia, to not act in any way that could unwittingly enable significant harm, even if this is unintentional. Therefore, it is essential that measures are taken to, where possible, prevent those who would likely harm themselves or others from doing so and to certainly not prevent tools that might encounrage harm. Sadly, this article falls into the latter category. Many people who would wish to commit suicide would be interested in suicide methods. This article abets vulnerable people to find out about suicide methods and therefore, more or less directly, abets suicide.
This is very morally questionable, therefore, as an article. That there are other articles that also teach suicide methods is neither here nor there. Wikipedia is supposedly a respectable institution. Such an argument is really sinking to a low in terms of justification and is the equivalent of saying, "well, everybody else is doing it!" and? this does not make morally repugnant behaviour any more legitimate.
That this question has come up before and rejected does not mean that it is one that is resolved, nor does it render it a legitimate article. Even if there were a consensus (which there does not seem to be), this also does not render the article legitimate. Rather, where basic moral issues are concerned, this should be decided on moral standards alone. Consensus is not enough, because there have been times where there has been consensus around flagrant immorality.
As for the question about whether there should be a link to a site to help people considering suicide, with moral considerations given their due weight, the common sense answer would be most certainly yes. Of course, technically such a link would not be encyclopedic content. However, there are many times when it is necessary to be flexible where extremes or great moral risk is concerned. It is for this same reason that warnings about the consumption of alcohol are, by law, placed on advertisements for beverages, even though this is not strictly advertising content, or similar notices are placed upon gambling adverts. These steps are taken because the extreme nature of the content and the associated dangers are recognized and therefore society collectively agrees to steps that would mitigate this.
Therefore, to summarize this long note, the key questions to consider here are: (1) Should Wikipedia have an article that serves to directly abet suicide and therefore tests the boundaries of morality? (2) Where such extreme risks of morality and humanity are at stake, what steps can Wikipedia take to mitigate this? Such as having a link to a page to help people at risk of suicide. (3) Is a how-to page appropriate encyclpaedic content for Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.5.50.160 (talk) 18:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Please see WP:NOTCENSORED, whose title I think sums up the reason for not excluding this article on "moral grounds". People looking to commit suicide will find a way. If you have access to a computer then you probably have access to a bottle of pills, a razor blade, something to form a noose, a heroine needle(?), a car, numerous other things. Suicide really isn't that hard, although most people take a few tries.(surprisingly not because of a lack of trying, but rather a lack of knowledge)
If you want to use this site to try to scare off people, for instance by informing them that lying on some railroad tracks and getting run over by a train might not actually kill them but leave them horribly maimed, then go ahead. Just make sure you don't add undue weight to those aspects, and provide reliable sources. More info on the ineffectiveness, pain and discomfort, and embarrassment of various methods of suicide would be more info for the article anyways.(notable info even)Wikiposter0123 (talk) 06:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
I was all set to get angry, but you folks have done a good job here. Importantly, I don't think there's much here that would be "useful" for someone who was looking for advice, and I appreciate that. (I dunno if you've been censoring that stuff, or if it just happened that way.) Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 07:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Not wanting to start a fight with anyone, but I think that the paragraph on self-harm may need revision. http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=443 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.165.213.34 (talk) 14:01, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
An extra method that should be added - deliberately inducing the police to shoot you. There is definitely a trend recently in the UK, but it is currently not oficially recognised as such [eg Mark Saunders http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8262629.stm] . If it is happening in the UK where firearms are restricted I am sure it must be more prevalent in eg the USA.
86.189.3.19 (talk) 09:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
kudos Wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.83.122 (talk) 06:42, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
The article says "In Germany, 7% of all suicides occur in this manner, making this type account for the largest share of overall suicides in the country.[26]"
[26] says "Undoubtedly, railway suicides represent an important, however a still minor, compared with suicide means like hanging or poisoning, proportion on suicides by all means."
Maybe I am mistaken, but isn't the article wrong? (largest share vs. still minor) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.247.206 (talk) 13:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I think this might be one of the few areas where a header with help is suggested - nothing that messes with the content...just a heads up for people who might be down. Maybe it could start with people who tried to commit suicide and...whatever. Even if they then went on to, I think the order could hold the integrity of it, whilst maybe helping one or two people who are besides themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.27.73 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 19 November 2010
I know Wikipedia can't be a "how to guide", but for people who are actually trying to find a means of suicide acceptable to them, perhaps we could provide some links to those sites or where to find that information? Detailed information on how to commit suicide properly would be very useful to some people. --70.112.54.22 (talk) 03:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Information is gained, to use in some way. Suicide methods article serves only two kind of persons 1. For those who want to commit suicide in easiest way / less painful way , it list almost all possible ways of suicides. 2. For those who are doing research in psychology of suicidal persons.
Article helps most for suicidal persons. He search "suicide methods + wiki" and find a suitable method with first link of wiki article. No time wastage. Now a days for immediate information everyone is using "wiki". If information is not available on Wiki then a user has to surf pages and dig out the information and figure our the all possible ways . Then he will compare then and figure out the best possible way. It will increase the time window . More unexpected events can happen in this increased time frame and may be some interruption stop or delay his decision. With providing all options at a single page , wikipedia helps him/her make faster decisions with available things near him/her.
I agree that this page may help psychology students . But I think everyone in this discussion agree with me that saving 1 life is more important than helping billions of students in study. Students can wait they can read more , It won't harm them in any way.
But removing this kind of articles (Suicide / making bombs etc ) can certainly save lifes. 1 second is enough to change the course of events . Wiki has become fastest way of getting good quality of information.
Power comes with more responsibilities .. 1 second and a person has gone. Give him/her 1 more second to decide. May be he/she opt to live or circumstance forced him/her to live.
And really how can a sane humans discuss and list most effective methods of suicides ? Does anybody really need this kind of information.
I agree with you. We should delete this article. We should delete this article and save lives. DragoNNized (talk) 22:35, 21 February 2011 (UTC)DragoNNized
My account is not yet confirmed. Would someone who is please add this source to the wrist cutting section to eliminate the citation needed tag. http://www.brooksidepress.org/Products/OperationalMedicine/DATA/operationalmed/Manuals/Standard1stAid/chapter3.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumguysr (talk • contribs) 02:17, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
You need a source to confirm that "drowning involves physical and mental anguish" ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.65.0.133 (talk) 11:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
The mention of immolation as a form of political protest deserves a reference to Mohamed Bouazizi whose self-immolation in January 2011 was a catalyst for the uprising in Tunisia. 98.114.173.140 (talk) 00:16, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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this is from here: but anything else will do too, as wiki is of the opinion that suicide is an important subject and it is but it is also a subject that should be handled with care and all articles about suicide need a bit about suicide prevention. Fryfan20 (talk) 17:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
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