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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:06, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Sabacc, Dejarik

• ... that neither of the two Star Wars in-universe games, dejarik (aka holochess) and sabacc, have a single, definite and canon rule-set despite several real-world licensed releases? Source: For d: "actual gameplay rules developed but never publicly released", "there's at least one fan-made set of rules", "no official licenced home version of holochess has yet been issued. However, fans have written rules for the game". Note that the first part of this sentence is no longer true. For s: "Like the holographic strategy game Dejarik, Sabacc appears onscreen without an in-depth explanation of the rules...Various tie-in books and games have offered their own take on Sabacc... Within the new canon, you’ll find a semi-official (albeit simplified) version of those rules... If you want to play Sabacc yourself, Wookieepedia has a guide to the rules...We won’t be surprised if Disney releases a more canon-specific version of the game later on. But if the “official” rules turn out to be different from the ones you learned from Wookieepedia, don’t get sweat it", "pecific rules can vary depending on who's playing"

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Don Savage and Template:Did you know nominations/Maritime Republic of Eastport
• Comment: This double-article nom superceeds my recent Template:Did you know nominations/Dejarik (where I linked the second QPQ) unless there is a good argument to have two separate hooks. Also, Star Wars Day is... today, if anyone wants to help speedying this up.

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 06:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC).

• Both articles are new enough, long enough, QPQs done, no image, pass earwig. Hook is okay, though it is somewhat wordy. Can we strengthen the hook? --evrik ^(talk) 03:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

• Evrik, Strengthen as in shorten? I guess we could remove the adjective definite as mostly repetitive? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

• When I read the hook, I shrug and say, ehhh. I know what you're trying to say ... it's kind of boring the way it's written. --evrik ^(talk) 04:19, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

• Evrik, I am open to seeing more "cooler" hooks; for better or worse that's the single most interesting fact I was able to come up that connects both entities. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:34, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

• Alt1 ... that neither holochess nor sabacc, two games featured in the Star Wars movies, have a definitive real-world rule-set?

Here is my take. --evrik ^(talk) 15:21, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

• Evrik, Shorter - I like it, but I'd quibble that the games are not just featured in the movies, the even 'cooler' fact is that the Star Wars movies (media...) invented them in the first place. How would you go about clarifying that in your proposed hook? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• Any updates on this? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5, Don't look at me :) Ping User:Evrik. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:06, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Evrik hasn't edited in a week so we many need a new reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:42, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Popping in here. I like the sound of a compromise:

ALT2: ... that neither holochess nor sabacc, two games invented for the Star Wars films, have a definitive ruleset despite several real-world licensed releases?

Clarifies the 'invented for' and also gives the reason you'd actually care why they don't have definitive rules -- because they have actual real-world licensed releases. Also switched 'movies' to 'films', which is subtle but frees us up a couple characters (important with the length!) and sounds better encyclopedically in more or less anything that's not a direct quote. Vaticidalprophet 14:08, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Vaticidalprophet, Thanks, I am fine with the ALT2. Now who'll check it for GTG? :) PS. Check Alt2a below, which adds the alt name dejarik to the hook. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:12, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

ALT2a: ... that neither holochess (dejarik) nor sabacc, two games invented for the Star Wars films, have a definitive ruleset despite several real-world licensed releases?

• Anyone like Alt 1? I'm not thrilled with Alt2. --evrik ^(talk) 20:56, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
  • The problem I have with ALT1 is the "who cares?" element -- I wouldn't expect a fictional game to have a definitive IRL ruleset in the abstract, but I might if it were given real-world releases. I think it's important to preserve that element of the original hook. Vaticidalprophet 04:19, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I think the more interesting thing here is that they were games created in-universe that have also been played in real-life. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:10, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that holochess (dejarik) and sabacc, are games invented for the Star Wars films, that gone on to have several real-world licensed versions? --evrik ^(talk) 00:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:42, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, I favor my own ALT2 but I am not objecting to ALT3, it's pretty much subjective which facts we find more interesting. Being a board gamer I find the clashing rulesets of interesting but I fully admit this is a subjective POV. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:40, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

• New reviewer needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:22, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
• I spot-checked both articles for issues (since they've already been reviewed). Approving for ALT2a.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 00:02, 1 July 2021 (UTC)