- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
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Serge Blanc (violinist)[edit]
- ... that Serge Blanc, who was accepted to study violin at the Conservatoire de Paris at age eleven, made the first recording in France of Bernstein's Serenade after Plato's "Symposium"? Source: [1] they have a different name for the piece though
- Reviewed: Mount Hope(Ottoman Empire)
- Comment: We are in a Bernstein year ;)
Created by LouisAlain (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC).
- Hmmm... little did I know "someone" noticed that article. Thanks Gerda, LouisAlain (talk) 18:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC) -->
The article is new and has enough length. QPQ check is also done. However, there are several issues which need to be addressed before taking it to DYK. There are issues with Plagiarism, NPOV and referencing.- Copyvio check shows 48% confidence, and violation is possible.
- The sentence about the subject's death is unreferenced.
- The lead needs significant expansion considering the article's body.
- One of the citation has a bare URL.
- NPOV issues; "exceptional age", stress on the subject's age at various points of achievements may be avoided – this seems to be pushing the point of view about the subject's achievements.
- Most of the article is only about the subject's achievements, there is no info about his life, and any criticism.
- I would also suggest adding an infobox.
- Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 06:59, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. I am only the nominator, but will do what I can, but have several things on my to-do-list before I can turn to him. I noticed that a different site had translated the same French to English, but to my knowledge LouisAlain didn't even know that. No surprise they often arrived at similar wording. For many of thesee historic musicians, we don't know much about personal life and reception, and they are remembered for their achievements. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Yes, I understand. If you'd like me to hold the nomination for some time, I'll be happy to do it. Let me know. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 16:20, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for your patience. Instead of working on this (and another one waiting, and writing the article I had planned for today), I faced a load of tags for a BLP I watch, and another load for an article featured on the Main page, sigh. Also had to nominate a venerated woman for DYK today or never, which I managed to do, but the article is not yet in the shape I want it to be. Tomorrow will be busy RL, so it will be later today or on Thursday (unless we have new problems). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Hopefully tomorrow, - at least I managed adding refs for another nom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- Making progress: ibox, more lead, more trimming, no bare url seen anymore. Will look for cite for death, must be somewhere. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- More tricky than I thought: while several sources have him still living, his website and IMSLP have the date. What should we do, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I'm really sorry that I missed the ping, may because I changed my username. Coming to the review, if we don't get it upto the mark, I think it is better to decline it. However, I would be happy to wait and see if any editors from the concerned WikiProject would like to take a look at this article. Regards, KCVelaga (talk • mail) 12:24, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- What do you think is missing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I only have a couple of concerns to be addressed before passing the nomination. The first one is that the statement about the subject's death is not cited. Secondly, I would suggest to split the biography section in various periods of life, for example, early life, career, later life etc. Regards, KCVelaga (talk • mail) 12:00, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- KCVelaga, I gave you now his official web for the date of death. Can't find another. Subheaders are not in the rules, afaik. Sorry for the late response, I had some other work overdue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- ps: now that we this late, we might consider Bernstein's centenary 25 August. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
GTG, assuming good faith towards the French sources. @Gerda Arendt: Ues, Subheaders are not mandatory, it was just a suggestion to improve the readability. Yes, now even I feel that featuring this hook on 25 August would be a good idea. Pinging Casliber to help with the date. Regards, KCVelaga (talk • mail) 16:30, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I only have a couple of concerns to be addressed before passing the nomination. The first one is that the statement about the subject's death is not cited. Secondly, I would suggest to split the biography section in various periods of life, for example, early life, career, later life etc. Regards, KCVelaga (talk • mail) 12:00, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- What do you think is missing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I'm really sorry that I missed the ping, may because I changed my username. Coming to the review, if we don't get it upto the mark, I think it is better to decline it. However, I would be happy to wait and see if any editors from the concerned WikiProject would like to take a look at this article. Regards, KCVelaga (talk • mail) 12:24, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Yes, I understand. If you'd like me to hold the nomination for some time, I'll be happy to do it. Let me know. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 16:20, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. I am only the nominator, but will do what I can, but have several things on my to-do-list before I can turn to him. I noticed that a different site had translated the same French to English, but to my knowledge LouisAlain didn't even know that. No surprise they often arrived at similar wording. For many of thesee historic musicians, we don't know much about personal life and reception, and they are remembered for their achievements. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
The hook might need to be rewritten as it appears to focus on two things: one is being admitted to a conservatory at age 11, the other is being the first to do a French recording of a certain musical work. By themselves either is interesting, but put together the current hook seems to lack focus. I'm aware that it's rather common in classical music to be admitted to music conservatories at a young age (which admittedly might not be a well-known fact to laymen), but the hook is not the kind which follows the "one leads to another" or the "contrast" format. So separate hooks for each may need to be written (i.e. focusing only either on his entry at a young age, or only on making that early recording), but not a hook on both at the same time. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:34, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Obliging, sigh (loosing the information also that he studied at that Conservatoire - is there any rule demanding contrast, but prohibiting background? - and do me a favour, just ping instead of a message on my talk, causing more work, - leaving no alternative if to celebrate Bernstein):
- ALT1: ... that Serge Blanc made the first recording in France of Bernstein's Serenade after Plato's "Symposium"?
- How about promoting hooks that you like as they are, leaving the others to other prep builders? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Is it okay if I suggest the following alternative hook:
- ALT2: that violinist Serge Blanc first entered the Conservatoire de Paris at the age of eleven? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:38, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Rubbing eyes. Wasn't it you who said many young people are. What in we celebrate Bernstein's centenay did you not understand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Well I guess if you don't want ALT2, we can go with ALT1 instead, which is cited inline and interesting, and indeed gives emphasis on the centenary. Restoring tick. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 19:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Well I guess if you don't want ALT2, we can go with ALT1 instead, which is cited inline and interesting, and indeed gives emphasis on the centenary. Restoring tick.
- Rubbing eyes. Wasn't it you who said many young people are. What in we celebrate Bernstein's centenay did you not understand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)