- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:28, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
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Video gaming in Bangladesh
[edit]... that some Bangladeshi students developed Aerial Multi-Player Dogfight which is said to be the first MMOG for PCs that can be played by body movements and voice command?
Created by Akib.H (talk). Self nominated at 19:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC).
- Barely long enough, at 1585 characters; recent enough; hook short enough. Fulfills DYK criteria and will be passed; however, I have some issues with the prose and the utilization of sources. For example, re: the prose: The use of the words "a lot" in the second sentence, first paragraph isn't appropriate usage in an encyclopedia. You also don't tell us how earlier, although ref1 does. Ref1 also describes how gaming started in Bangladesh, with video game arcades in the 90s. There are other examples in this short article. I suggest that you have someone look at the prose and include more information from your sources. At any rate, pass.
Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 20:31, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- Barely long enough, at 1585 characters; recent enough; hook short enough. Fulfills DYK criteria and will be passed; however, I have some issues with the prose and the utilization of sources. For example, re: the prose: The use of the words "a lot" in the second sentence, first paragraph isn't appropriate usage in an encyclopedia. You also don't tell us how earlier, although ref1 does. Ref1 also describes how gaming started in Bangladesh, with video game arcades in the 90s. There are other examples in this short article. I suggest that you have someone look at the prose and include more information from your sources. At any rate, pass.
Per DYK Reviewing guide In addition to at least 1,500 characters of readable prose, the article must not be a stub. This requires a judgement call, since there is no mechanical stub definition (see the Croughton-London rule). If an article is, in fact, a stub, you should temporarily reject the nomination; if the article is not a stub, ensure that it is correctly marked as a non-stub, by removing any stub template(s) in the article, and changing any talk-page assessments to start-class or higher.
— Maile (talk) 21:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I have to say "no" to this. The problem with the hook is that it assumes you know what a MMOG is and why it's significant or important. Many people around the world from all walks of life will read the main page and be confused by this. The link also is a easter egg link that doesn't go to an immediately obvious place when you click on it. I had a look for an alternative hook, but as has already been discussed, the article just doesn't have enough "meat" on it for me to be able to suggest an alternative. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:50, 18 June 2014 (UTC)- Ok, I can suggest another hook. Like this ALT1 "... that Dhaka Racing is the first 3D video game developed in Bangladesh?" Akib.H (talk) 20:40, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not commenting on the quality of the article, but I want to mention that I think it is VERY fascinating that a game was made that responds to voice commands and body movements. If I saw a hook with that in it, I would DEFINITELY click it.--¿3family6 contribs 02:03, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, that's why I chose that hook. If somehow the original hook is kept it will boost the page views and make it more interesting. Ritchie333, if we keep the MMOG in full like Massively multiplayer online game, the hook will be of 197 characters, slightly under 200, will it be ok? Akib.H (talk) 15:00, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
According to DYKcheck, the article currently has 2283 prose characters. Given the significant expansion, a new review needs to be undertaken, which should also cover the issues raised by Ritchie333 above. Note that the article is currently considered a stub on its talk page, and will need a reevaluation there, as DYKs are not supposed to be stubs. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:53, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Alright—oldest hook in the queue, let's give it a go. New (May 28th), long enough, neutral, no QPQ needed (first nom). There is also some close paraphrasing that should be addressed (e.g., "that can be played by body movements and voice command"). I agree that "MMOG" is too jargon-y so struck that hook. @Akib.H, ALT hook doesn't have an immediate ref in article (see 3b). Please ping me if I don't respond. czar ♔ 16:18, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
- Czar, I have tried to fix the close paraphrasing. I have proposed a new ALT below which is a little modification of the original hook because of its appeal to boost the views as discussed here. I have kept the the MMOG in full form like "massively multi-player online game" this time to fix the jargon, it produces a hook of 193 characters, will it be ok? Akib.H (talk) 15:26, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- ALT2:
... that some Bangladeshi students developed Aerial Multi-Player Dogfight which is said to be the first massively multi-player online game for PCs that responds to body movements and voice command?
- The hook's inaccurate, which is why we avoid phrasing such as "which is said to be". Said by whom? Said by them. We wouldn't source such an outstanding claim to a group of students who came up with the idea themselves since we can't trust them (not a reliable, secondary source) to have done the research to verify such a claim. I also has the aforementioned Easter egg issue where the name of the game doesn't link to an article about the game but about Bangladeshi game development. So I struck ALT2. ALT1 is still missing that immediate cite per 3b as mentioned above. czar ♔ 15:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
- Czar, now I got it. I have added an immediate citation for ALT1. Akib.H (talk) 16:26, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
ALT1 gtg. I'm not crazy about the reliability of the source used (author has a pseudonym and it looks like a fan site), but Rising Stars appears to be a publication of The Daily Star. czar ♔ 17:20, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
