..If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability;.. People who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria below.
Attempt of cornering and discrediting by Red herring plus misinterpretations, conflating between contested BLP violation content and Wikipedia users to distract attention. Difs 1
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Some of other related policies for current requested RfC discussion: WP:BLP, WP:SUSPECT, WP:BLPPUBLIC, WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE.
Requesting inputs about WP policies regarding, WP:BLP protocols and naming of the accused in relation to mentions of allegations and counter allegations in the given article, against a female victim of sexual assault, her associates and also other accused.
Requesting well studied, carefully thought inputs @ RfC: A TikToker, associates, other accused constitute 'Public figure' or not?
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In Pakistan, tourism is a growing industry. | Promotional | ||
In 2010, Lonely Planet termed Pakistan "tourism's 'next big thing' for more years than we care to remember". The country is geographically and ethnically diverse, and has a number of historical and cultural heritage sites. The upsurge in tourism in the past few years has been aided by the Government of Pakistan's recent decision to end mandatory No Objection Certificates for foreign tourists seeking to visit certain parts of the country. | Okay | ||
Pakistan was ranked The Best Holiday Destination for 2020 and was also declared the third-highest potential adventure destination in the world for 2020. | What is the credibility of sources once known it's Pakistan Govt promoted stats | ||
As security in the country improves, tourism increases; in two years, it has increased by more than 300%. | Needs verification | ||
The country received an influx of travel vloggers, who showed the beauty of the country, especially the northern areas Hunza and Skardu. | Good but you want criticism to be curtailed and delete all the sourced criticism | ||
In 2018, the British Backpacker Society ranked Pakistan the world's top adventure travel destination, describing the country as "one of the friendliest countries on earth, with mountain scenery that is beyond anyone's wildest imagination". Forbes ranked Pakistan as one of the ‘coolest places’ to visit in 2019. The World Economic Forum's Travel & Tourism Competitiveness Report placed Pakistan in the top 25 per cent of global destinations for its World Heritage sites, which range from the mangroves in the Indus delta | For all those boasting and bragging Pakistan is nowhere to be seen in top ten even in Asia in UN reports. See World Tourism rankings | ||
In October 2006, one year after the 2005 Kashmir earthquake, The Guardian released a list of "the top five tourist sites in Pakistan" to help the country's tourism industry | Guardian is good site for this but not for critique ? | ||
The largest inflow of tourists are from the United Kingdom, followed by United States, India and China. | India is on 3rd No in largest inflow of tourists in Pakistan? Is everything okay? :)) | ||
History of Pakistani Tourism | This section too is based on report of same Samira Shackle isn't it? there you did not find any need to complain and tag | ||
Bemusing Earwig finds only 22.5% similarity with guardian and says copyvio unlikely. In that too only half sentence in critique used as it is with proper attribution since usage of alternate words would have only sharpened the critique. Another quarter sentence is not exactly critique either, ".. forbidden from cycling because it is seen as immodest .." this reflection of Pakistani culture as is, I can and I will change words forbidden and immodest if you wish. The rest small matching are just facts and noun word.
All this misplaced criticism of criticism ignoring other glaring copyvio, boasting and bragging. Your goodselves did not find any thing problematic in all that.
Ah yes our concerned Indian friends looking out for Pakistan while their country India is globally recognised as the worlds most dangerous country for women :[1] : "India is the world’s most dangerous country for women due to the high risk of sexual violence and being forced into slave labor, according to a poll of global experts released on Tuesday." You have the audacity to point fingers at others while your nation India is the lowest of the low for women? is internationally known and notorious for the way it treats it women (and other foreign women we will get to that soon). Look at how Indian nationalists have glossed over Rape in India article they make it sound like rape is not an issue how dishonest and pathetic do you have to be to hide and distort information to make it sound all nice and warm while the reality is [2] Your government and officials are hiding it but fortunately global media has exposed India enough for its rape crisis where 95% of rapes are not even reported a child is gang raped every 15 minutes but again lets focus on Pakistan. I have never met such disingenuous and dishonest people in my life Indian nationalists trying to hide their dirty under belly while flinging dirt at others just to divert attention away from them.
Lets first address your "bragging about tourism" thanks for honestly telling us where your obsession comes from so much jealousy over some positive news. You people just cannot hide your petty envy and hatred incapable of digesting any good news from Pakistan so you feel the desperate need to throw in some negative energy to soothe your wounded egos and satisfy your petty Indian nationalism. I know it burns the envy and hate spewing out is common for Bharati nationalists butt hurt over any good press Pakistan gets. Many governments use influencers and Vloggers to promote tourism.
Now then lets discuss how foreign female tourists are treated in India shall we? India a nation where foreign women regularly are not just sexually assaulted but MURDERED in cold blood: [3] "5 recent rape cases of foreign women Recently, a twenty five year old American tourist alleged rape and assault by five men in a five star hotel of New Delhi.
1) Danish woman who was robbed and gangraped in New Delhi Nine men raped and assaulted a 52-year-old Danish tourist who had arrived India in January 2014. After losing her way to the hotel, she asked for help from a group of men near Connaught Place who instead of helping her, took her to an isolated area and raped her."
2) A German national was raped in a moving train in Chennai In January 2014, an 18-year-old German girl on a Mangalore-Chennai reported rape to the Railway police. The German national worked as an English school teacher at a school in Karnataka and was enrolled as a volunteer at a German-based NGO.
3) A 19-year-old German tourist was raped by an unidentified auto driver in December 2015
4) Polish woman drugged, gangraped on Delhi-Mathura Highway A 33-year-old Polish woman was allegedly raped by a cab driver after he offered her a ride on the Mathura-Delhi highway. The incident was reported in January 2014.
[4] Just last month : NDTV " A British woman was allegedly raped near the Arambol beach in Goa in front of her male partner by a local man under the pretext of giving her a massage, police said on Tuesday. The accused, local resident Vincent D'Souza (32), was part of a group that illegally offered massage services near the Arambol beach in North Goa district, which is quite popular with international tourists, they said." Horrific how so many foreign women are getting raped in your motherland yet you have not created a page in regards to this. Why is the Tourism in India page contain so much bragging? where is the section on rape of foreign tourist do you have the courage and dignity to add it? off course thats too much to ask from a Indian nationalist who will shamelessly deflect and point fingers elsewhere.
[5] Innocent 15 year old teenager Scarlett Keeling drugged first and brutally raped then MURDERED by your people in India where is the outrage and energy for these innocent women who made the mistake to visit the RapePublic of India? why is there no article on this disgusting hypocritical behavior.
This just goes on and on and on and on.....shocking and disturbing how no Indian has the honesty to even mention this on the Tourism in India pretending nothing happens there and its some haven for females! https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1673183/three-indians-arrested-over-gang-rape-and-abduction-japanese-woman This time a Japanese female was unlucky enough to make the mistake of travelling to India do you people have no shame? I could list MANY MANY more instances where female tourists have faced murder and rape but still you heart less shameless Indian nationalists would rather fling mud on other nations knowing full well your nation is a cesspit of violence and rape against females.
[6] USA is now warning its citizens particularly its women to stay away from India "The State Department also noted that rape is one of the fastest growing crimes in India. Violent crime, such as sexual assault, has occurred at tourist sites and in other locations, it said. Moreover, the travel advisory also cautioned US citizens that “terrorists may attack with little or no warning, targeting tourist locations, transportation hubs, markets/shopping malls, and government facilities,” it continued. “If you decide to travel to India… Do not travel alone, particularly if you are a woman,” the statement read linking to a guide for women travelers." You people have some nerve to even criticize others while your house is full of filth despicable how you ignore these glaring facts and sources.
Reliable sources detailing how foreign women feel unsafe in India due to rape: https://www.dw.com/en/tourism-numbers-down-sharply-in-india/a-16712581 Sources stating females shunning India for Tourism why is there no mention ? https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/after-attacks-women-tourists-to-india-fall-by-35-per-cent-517748 Female tourism down 35% after mass rapes and assaults on foreign women and native ones shocking how this is not mentioned in the Tourism in India article...
All that outrage over one unfortunate influencer in Pakistan you Indians started celebrating to early no mention of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myhubCtp-DI&t=0s Karl Rocks female friends were all abused millions of views why is there no Indian attention on this?
When will we get an article on Rape of foreign tourists in India, Love in India etc
Wow what can I say I could go on and on and on and on about rape/abuse of women in India Wikipedia was once a decent place but the advent of Indian nationalist trolls and their minions have turned it into a circus of lies and misleading information. Heres a challenge I dare you if you have any shame or honor add the same information to Tourism in India regarding rape of foreign females and also balance out Rape in India which is now just a pathetic whitewashed article downplaying Indias rape crisis but alas I cannot expect such honesty or decency because you Indians are blinded with such a rabid form of nationalism you are willing to turn a blind eye and allow these things to happen to your daughters, sisters and mothers all the while shamelessly dragging other countries into it as a means to deflect away from your sins. You know the saying right? People in glass houses should not throw stones. ImmortalTruthIII (talk) 22:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
First of all I have added those bullet points only after your call, and those are still to be discussed from your side. I waited from my side because some other user intervened with RfC and I wanted to handle discussion in different way.
But even before that, if you are closely following up blasphemy related news from India since N.S.' debate controversy, you would please understand every couple of days a new blasphemy related controversy is getting added up in the debate (most of that is missing from the article) , as a result free speech is getting hit from all sides, keeping aside political and religious polarization the most voiceless are skeptics like 'Saad Ansari', Idk who understands concerns of skeptics and atheists who do not have political or religious backing and not even proper media support. We can see mentions about him just this article went into lock, once that is removed I am expecting those and similar mentions being undermined.
IMHO When free speech is being hit hard to me real concern is not limited to tag of neutrality but underlying political and religious polarization's undermining spirit of encyclopedic neutrality among Wikipedians. It is easier to control POV pushing of novice editors, if all the experienced users decide not to resort to Wikipedia:Civil POV pushing then only spirit of neutrality and quality of neutrality will improve.
All above is for this article only. I am coming up one by one because I am not just remain obsessed
".. Even if she comes forward,
she is only taken seriously
if two or more women also
come out in support of
her claim against the accused.
Her own testimony is not enough
and our tragedy,.., ..
while Qanoon e Shahadat
reduced women to half,
expectation of
other women supporting
the victim’s claim
in harassment cases
.. further reduced women
to a fraction of their being. .. "
Law and women: an unequal relationship
~ Nida Usman Chaudhary,
Daily Times (Pakistan),
May 11, 2018
الآن أطرح السؤال الأهم: من الذى أساء للسيدة «عائشة»؛ السياسى الهندى أم نحن المسلمون؟.. من الذى شوه سيرة نبى الرحمة؟ «الهندى» أم «البخارى»؟ [2] [3]
Who decides what is a 'strict' dress code?
~ JJLiu112 No we have removed word 'strict' But answer who decides seems clear |
“Islam does not allow women to mingle with men. There should be a curtain between women and men…women can enjoy everything, watch everything from beyond that curtain,’’ said Musaliyar, who is a senior functionary of Samastha Kerala Sunni Vidyabhyasa Board, which regulates madrasa education in Kerala. Date :14 th May 2022
Ref: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala/kerala-muslim-cleric-class-x-girl-support-7917078/ |
“Islam does not allow women to mingle with men. There should be a curtain between women and men…women can enjoy everything, watch everything from beyond that curtain,’
~ Musaliyar https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala/kerala-muslim-cleric-class-x-girl-support-7917078/
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