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And great good thanks for your kind words. Knowing that a fellow Comics Project editor has access to tons of archival and reference material practically makes me salivate. So much of comics history before the 1990s just doesn't appear readily online, and you have to go to hard copies of 1960s mainstream interviews, 1970s and 1980s fanzines and niche pubs., and books by the likes of Goulart and Horn. I will definitely be bugging you to see what reference books and zines you have! Looking forward to collaborating. Wityh regards, -- Tenebrae (talk) 20:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
and that's not mentioning the matching record collection/library ... Yep, the car lives in the drive; and I have a VERY understanding wife (with impeccable musical taste. The bratettes think I'm completely mad though - they just don't have a clue those youngsters. I plan a nice quiet retirement one day - Cheers!
Gongshow Talk 19:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that - I must admit I can't think I have ever heard of them. I got a lot of Marvel reprints via Marvel UK but I did grab a lot of earlier comics at school fairs and the like, so I suspect if I really dug in I'd find some of these though. Anyway good stuff - it can be difficult finding sources on such topics. (Emperor (talk) 16:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC))
For ref: I've managed to find one more source of Class info. Once I've tracked a hard copy down I'll add any relevant Archiveangel (talk) 18:24, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
well, yes, I thought that it would be useful adding a quote signaling that Windsor-Smith's early art was basically a cheap Kirby (or, should I say, Kirby-Steranko) imitation. It's really worth mentioning, because his early art is quite poor : anyone these buying old comics just to see Windsor-Smith's art would be sorely disappointed, unless he is a diehard completist. I read Daredevil#50 and it's really and eyesore (and I'm a Windsor-Smith fan, so it was quite a shock to me). I even have a book about the history comics industry ("The comic book heroes", by Gerard Jones) which calls the early Smith a "terribly crude" Kirby imitator, who did some "hideous fill-ins", but I guessed that it would be nicer to use a quote by the artist himself. cheers, JJ Georges (talk) 08:24, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
As you said to me, you should "leave the Americanizations to others," hence my reverting your relocation of the commas next to titles. As for your question about Wikilinks, I don't understand how "copying direct from the Wikilink on the relevant page" could possibly result in either a redirect or a disambiguation page. That's effectively what I did wherever you left one of those two things. --Tbrittreid (talk) 00:29, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
And thank you for your kind words. I probably should have sent cites for the policies I was citing. The couple of main ones Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/editorial guidelines#Uniform_cover_artwork_crediting_convention and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name).
I'll go ahead and do something up for the St. John title. -- Tenebrae (talk) 18:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
in the meantime ....
This is an ongoing plan of work to be done as I pick it up. It's also my scribble pad. Changes to this section will happen as new items for action are found and as old stuff is dealt with. Please add any thoughts below the table, or new items within it. Thanks!
Character pages are identified by * before the name, to distinguish from comics titles (ie Black Hood for the comic * Black Hood for the character.
I will do all the pages relating to book titles first; followed by character pages. So Black Hood Comics will be updated well before 'Black Hood'.
Links from other existing pages which have not previously been linked will be updated as each page is done. Any issues raised will be dealt with as going along, unless they need extensive discussion for contention - if a workgroup doesn't start up the issues will be raised here, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics, and on the relevant page if one exists already. Archiveangel (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Title / Character | work needed | status |
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MLJ 1939 - 1945 | ||
MLJ Publications | new page, info up to changeover to 'Archie Comics' and relationship. Moving some text to consider. | in process for 15.03.10 |
Blue Ribbon Comics | revise page | done 19.02.10 |
Jackpot Comics | revise page | done 02.03.10 |
Pep Comics | revise page | done 26.02.10 |
Top-Notch Comics/Top-Notch Laugh Comics | revise page | done 21.02.10 |
Zip Comics | New page | done 08.03.10 |
Special Comics | only 1 issue - mention on main Archie publications page /MLJ page? and Black Hood pages | in process for 01.04.10 |
Black Hood Comics | adapt existing page to publishing history for title, separate from Black Hood character page (no mention of GA at present). Transfer any relevant information | in process for 01.04.10 |
Hangman Comics (MLJ) | new page - separate details from Red Circle page it is currently on. Publication history, not character history. Disambiguation | in process for 01.04.10 |
Shield/ Wizard Comics | new page - separate from Shield page and Wizard page. Publication history, not character history. | done 27.02.10 |
* Dan Hastings | insufficient info for own page | no action |
* Doc Strong | New page. Publication and brief character history | |
* Green Falcon | New Page. Publication and brief character history | |
* Rang-A-Tang | New Page. Publication and brief character history | |
* Corporal Collins - Infantryman | New Page. Publication and brief character history | |
* Captain Flag | update existing page | |
* Ty-Gor | New Page. Publication and brief character history | |
* Loop Logan, Air Ace | New page. Publication and brief character history | |
* Inferno (Archie Comics) | New page. All versions - Publication and brief character history. Disambiguation | |
* The Fox (comics) | update. All versions - Publication and brief character history. Disambiguation check | |
* Hercules (MLJ Comics) | new page? - very little information. If so, disambiguation required | |
* Mr Justice (Archie Comics) | New page. Publication and brief character history. Marvel Mr Justice page to rename. Dsambiguation | |
* The Wizard | update. Needs adapting to publishing history/fictional history and refs | |
* Scott Rand | insufficient info for own page | no action |
* The Mystic | insufficient info for own page | no action |
* Wings Johnson of Air Patrol | New page. Publication and brief character history | |
* The West Pointer | New page. Publication and brief character history | |
* Black Hood | update. All versions - Publication and brief character history. | |
* The Firefly | update. Needs adapting to publishing history/fictional history and refs | |
* Kardak the Mystic | New page. Publication and brief character history | |
* Bob Phantom - The Scourge of the Underworld | New page. Publication and brief character history (mainly frop Top-Notch Comics) | |
* Fran Fraser, girl photographer | New page. Publication and brief character history | |
* The St Louis Kid | New page. Publication and brief character history - or could add to Bob Montana page. Intriguing enough storyline for own page. | |
* Dotty and Ditto | add piece to Bob Woggon page. Include 2 Pep appearances | |
* The Comet | update. All versions - publishing history/fictional history and refs | |
* Scarlet Avenger | new page | |
* Mr Satan | New page | |
* Madame Satan | New page. Publication and brief character history | |
* The Shield | update. All versions - publishing history/fictional history and refs (including Lancelot Strong etc) | |
* The Web | update. All versions. Needs adapting to publishing history/fictional history and refs | |
* Hangman | New page. All versions - publishing history/fictional history and refs | |
* Sergeant Boyle | New page. | |
* Queen of Diamonds | New page? | |
* Fu-Chang International Detective | New page? | |
* Bentley of Scotland Yard | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* The Press Guardian | New page? | |
* The Midshipman | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* Kayo Ward | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* Danny In Wonderland | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* The Fireball | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* Captain Commando and the Boy Soldiers | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* War Eagles - the Devil's Flying Twins | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* Captain Valor | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* Zambini the Miracle Man | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* Dicky in the Magic Forest | New page? | |
* Black Jack | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* Red Rube | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* Nevada Jones | New page - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* Red Reagan of the Homicide Squad | New page? - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
* Kalthar the Giant Man | New page? - publishing history/fictional history and refs. | |
Archie Comics 1945 - present | ||
Archie Comics | publishers - overview - publication history, all titles, publication history. Link to new MLJ page | |
Pep Comics | Archie oriented Pep continuation from MLJ on same page | |
Archie and family character material | how to construct? | |
Archie Adventure Series / Mighty Comics Group 1959 - 1967 | ||
Overview as part of main Archie publications page. Check redirect | ||
Mighty Comics Group | update. Overview as part of main Archie publications page | |
Adventures of The Fly/Flyman]] | update | |
* Flygirl (Archie) | own page? add her details to Flyman? Disambiguation to clarify | |
Adventures of The Jaguar | update. Needs adapting to publishing history/fictional history and refs | |
Mighty Comics | update | |
Mighty Crusaders | update. Needs adapting to publishing history/fictional history and refs | |
Double Life of Private Strong | only 2 issues. Amalgamate with Shield | |
Laugh Comics | note issues with The Fly, Fly Girl and Jaguar on own page and character pages | |
Pep Comics | note issues with The Fly, Fly Girl and Jaguar on own page and character pages | |
* The Shadow | mention on main Archie publications page, Check Shadow pages and add if necessary | |
Cancelled 1980's Spectrum line | ||
Overview as part of main Archie publications page. Add details of specific superheroes to own page | ||
Archie / Red Circle | ||
Red Circle Comics | Overview as part of main Archie publications page. Update own page | |
Blue Ribbon Comics | update page | done 20.02.10 |
* Black Hood | add details to own page | |
* The Comet | add details to own page | |
* Mighty Crusaders | add details to own page | |
* The Fly | ||
* The Shield/Steel Sterling | add details to own page | |
* The Original Shield | add details to own page | |
Impact (DC) | ||
Impact | Overview briefly as part of main Archie publications page - licensing deal. Update own page | |
Crucible | update on Impact page. Any necessary detail on individual character page | |
* Black Hood | add details to own page | |
* The Comet | add details to own page | |
* The Jaguar | add details to own page | |
* The Fly | add details to own page | |
* Legend of The Shield | add details to own page | |
* The Web | add details to own page | |
Proposed relaunch 1993(DC) | ||
Proposed relaunch 1993(DC) | Overview briefly as part of main Archie publications page - licensing deal. Add to Impact page | |
Mainstream DC Universe 2009 - 2010 | ||
Overview briefly as part of main Archie publications page - licensing deal? | ||
Red Circle mini-series | new page? or add to existing characters pages and overview? seems best | |
* The Shield | add details to own page | |
* The Web | add details to own page |
Archiveangel (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
No problem, they are pretty standard WP:MOS tweaks that are easy to catch. If in doubt there is a template for a lot of things and using ((cite web)) (and similar templates) helps keep everything standardised and avoids any issues over someone's personal preferences.
Thanks for starting the article, I have redlinked it in in a few places but it seemed to not be getting much love and it couldn't ask for a better start than that, as it is a solid well-rounded article that should set it up well for the future. (Emperor (talk) 21:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC))
I'm getting the feeling that you probably just don't write in the wikipedia way. If not, that's fine. The articles are certainly better after you're done. But, if you ever wanted to take one to WP:GA or WP:FA and have it vetted, you'd have to source them in a completely different way. Tell me if you're interested in learning a new way, and we can go through the article bit by bit. Otherwise, keep up the good work. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 02:08, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes that is the right infobox, it is just that you hadn't added the most up-to-date version. I always try and pick one up from the template page so it is the most recent version.
I'd definitely encourage you to add what you can to the talk page header as it saves a lot of time (there are folks sweeping through the unassessed ones, so it makes sense to check new articles to add a header - that way they haven't got some never-ending task). Unless someone drops in a full-formed article, most new articles are going to be stubs or starts (usually falling down on referencing and perhaps images) and anyone can do those. If you know the assessment criteria then it isn't a problem assessing something you've worked heavily on up to a C but beyond that I'd seek someone else's input (and do the same on the C-grade assessment if you aren't sure). Just give me a nudge or request one on the assessment page - the B and below assessments don't usually take very long as it is usually easy to spot on a read through if something is failing.
For speed purposes I keep a browser tab open on a sub-page I have into which I drop templates I use a lot (and pre-filled stable templates) which I can then quickly copy and paste over: User:Emperor/Tools. If you find yourself doing the same thing (like adding infoboxes and the like) a lot then it really saves a lot of time if you have them to hand (as opposed to having to dig them out each time. Feel free to take anything you might find useful. (Emperor (talk) 00:53, 17 March 2010 (UTC))
No problem it was just a bit of tweaking here and there. I'll do more of a thorough read through and see what else I can polish as well as flagging anything that needs sourcing, it is solid and approaching a B (although it will need a photo to get there) so we might as well see what other work is needed to push it over that benchmark. As you say, it is an important article that will get a lot more attention in the coming months so we might as well make sure it is as good as we can get it.
And "smoothly coerced"? Sounds scary. Unless it is me, in which case it was clearly a great idea. (Emperor (talk) 00:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC))
I have put a couple of comments on Bongomatic's talk page. Rather than repeat them here I'll await your and his reply. Regards, Mark
I've moved the reply (and your original comment from the top of this page) to here as some of it is not fully relevant to the core discussion, and I don't want to invade any more of Bongomatic's space.
Ok much better :)
1) There are links on wikipedia to covers and selected pages already on certain comic articles.
I bumped across some covers on links including some "add to cart" type stuff
2) All the comics on furycomics are in the public domain .. most of the raw scans I worked with originate from goldenagecomics.co.uk
I agree but to the casual visitor you dont get to see content whereas fury you see it straight away
However, once again, I'd want to be sure of the PD status of MLJ/Archie material at the moment. I'm no expert on copyright law, but while rummaging throught the Marvelman legal issues this week for the re-write I'm working on, it's clear that it's no simple thing. I'm sure GA Comics check PD status before upping stuff, (they're too careful to identify what can't be uploaded to not do so) but the issue still needs to be revisited when events such as DC taking over a character happen - and I've not seen anything anywhere as to what exactly the deal is.
I am followiing the general consensus and have googled and found lists including all my comics. I don't think you can second guess what and if's. As an aside if that was the case then wikipedia ought to look at removing images that fall under the Corel vs Bridgeman and maybe "sweat of the brow" as these may well be challenged. I HOPE NOT!! as I am a huge user of wikipedia and commons. Also in my usage the worst that will happen is a "cease and desist" letter, but I am as sure as I can be all it cool You would be on extremely dodgy ground creating new comics using the characters etc
3) Hopefully you'll see my point that they are prime source and great links ... I have spent many months on this project and wanted to share. I have absolutely no intention of spamming, scamming or breaking copyright laws.
From all the wikipedia guidelines I have read my links are very valid
4) Sorry if I have been a bit "grumpy" but I spent most of yesterday finding the pages and linking checking links etc and had just about finished. And thought I'd made a great contribution, then I found all my work had been reversed. I will just say again this is public domain content
A couple of randoms:
Yes and no .. there are "things happening" if you look at digitalcomicmuseum.com/forum you'll see what. I am putting on a small tool bar under or part of the logo with about links etc but wanted to get the other stuff done and wait for the dust to settle .. plus ironically I think I need to alter the logo as I don't think I can use the hooded horseman as whilst the comics are PD I think he might be a copyrighted character. So I will do it then. (You didn't pick up on that one :)) And is the one copyright issue that does minorly concern me
If you look again You'll find I have 3 links in the intro box all pointing to viewer. As it is the front page may well change as it is a bit legacy, from the first version of the site. But the viewer URL's etc will never alter! I also I will alter text to state that the comics are in the public domain
The cover images are way too fuzzy - lots of work shrinking them (do it in bulk - try Neolics Picture Resizer, easy and fast). Well spotted! The thumbnail images are 100*145 was per my original site .. but I am now using them as very small thumbs on the right and larger in the middle of the page. In other words I am using the browser to scale them up and also down. I just wanted to see the sizes I need before redoing them and I think that the dimensions I have now are fine. So high up my list is to redo them. I'll do them manually as I can give them a bit of TLC and I estimate will only take 2/3 full days. Just a tad nicer when finished
And the interface is a little clunky. Yes it is a little but I have it very robust under the bonnet and not a database in sight to cause me grief. I am also looking to comics under publishing house (probably my next phase).
Another irony is I am toying with putting on historical info and was going to use your work as source (I have no knowledge of comics).
Finally (phew I hear you say) - we all get grumpy (you didn't hear me at 3.45am when the edit on Mick Anglo disappeared and 4 hours work went phhttt, yeah I know, save, save, save). Don't worry about any of it: Pause - hookup when you're not sure - always think, is this what I'd expect someone else to do/want? - don't rush, tomorrow will do, Wikipedia will wait...and you'll find a mistake in the meantime. And people will trust you far more if you sign your posts and have your very own talk page - it looks like you're hiding otherwise, and the natural question then is why?
I really only wanted to put on the links as I actually know nothing about comics and am not into being an editor hence me not setting things up and causing suspicion.
If you are interested I have a few other sites, best page to see is this http://emanac.com/sites/ which lists them. I am planning to spend the rest of this month on furycomics and then get back to my real baby talesofcuriosity.com. I need to make some more videos and sort out proper credits on the existing pages. The rest are either trundling on nicely or mothballed. I tend to spend a bit of time on a site then move on to the next until I am sick and tired of it and move to the next in a circular fashion (unless I have a flash of inspiration and head off on a tangent eg: my twitterbot).
Yes I hope this gets resolved now things have been talked through and hope you'll be batting for me :)
You are also based in England I see, I am in sunny Eastbourne.
After writing this I have just read the discussion and am basically giving up as this will just waste too much of my time. Basically if the Internet Archive is used as an example of what is Public Domain I throw my hands up. I suggest you look at the comics there and draw your own conclusions. Plus there are many other examples of other media files that are def not public domain that I will not say here. I could point you to 100's that I know of. Anyway I suggest you just leave it here and get on editing, best regards Mark —Preceding unsigned comment added by EManac (talk • contribs) 10:26, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Good luck with the project. Let's see what the result of the query is before moving forward, and hey, the inbox is always open ... Cheers! Archiveangel (talk) 21:21, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Its like 3 months of dealing with comics is enough and I want to do some videos now. The sites are all monitored by some utils I have written and I avoid databases so they trungle on nicely and I have no real maintenance. Just spend time in solid development and you get it make it back tenfold not having to fix things.
Ok cool! —Preceding unsigned comment added by EManac (talk • contribs) 11:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Bongomatic 23:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello! I just saw your post over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics, and I was wondering if you could help me with referencing for some G.I. Joe stuff. I'm trying to get G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (Marvel) to Featured Article status, so if you have any magazines or other resources with information on G.I. Joe, I would very much appreciate it if you would share it with me.
Here are a couple of magazines that I know for sure have G.I. Joe stuff in them: Comics Feature #52 (Feb 1987), contains some interviews that were also reprinted in Comic Files Magazine Spotlight on G.I.Joe - The 'Nam - Merc - Frontline Combat (1986) (that's a mouthful!). Also, Marvel Age #56 (1987) and Comics Interview #37 and #38 (1986) have some interviews - the interview from Comics Interview #37 is available online, but I haven't been able to find the stuff from #38. There's a list with a couple of other relevant Marvel Ages and a couple of other things here, although some of the links on that page don't work and/or aren't relevant. I'm also working on a list of electronic interviews and articles at User:Cerebellum/G.I. Joe.
So, long story short, if you can find any of the above mags or can think of any others off the top of your head, I would be very grateful. It's not too much of a big deal, of course, but I couldn't pass up your generous offer. If you do find something, I'm a bit fuzzy on how you would get it to me -- are scans a possibility? Other than that, maybe you could just make a pass over the article and add in whatever we're missing.
Thanks for your time, and also good luck with your Marvelman rewrite! --Cerebellum (talk) 01:08, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi. There's an attempt to bring the History of Spider-Man article, which needs enormous work, up to encyclopedic standards. You were among the editors in the deletion discussion, and it'd be good to get your input on, and edits to, the work-in-progress at User:Spidey104/Fictional history of Spider-Man sandbox. With regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 05:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello Archiveangel, I was responsible for much of the original Trigan Empire section, but had not bothered with Wikipedia for a while. I glanced back in and noticed your comments. I would be interested in co-operating and making it a better page. I must admit to being guilty of leaving the character section a bit short. Did you ever manage to buy the Don Lawrence reprints? They're still available on places like Ebay, but they're pretty pricey. Personally I wished they had also printed the later artists but it seems that its not to be. Douglasnicol (talk)
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