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On F/A-18 Hornet, you added the F-16 as having variable inlet geometry. I always understood that it was fixed on the F-16, and I can have several printed sources on that. Has that been changed on later F-16s? - BillCJ 23:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
OK. I didn't check the earlier history. I just wanted to ask first to find out why it there in case you had a reason, and now I know. I'll take it out. THanks. - BillCJ 05:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I should have explained, sorry. The usual practice is 3 designations per side - 2/3/4/5/6/7/8. The C-9 made 4 after. I'm not trying to be nit-picky, but I couldn't see an obvious reason for it to be there. Sometimes if a number is first or last in a sequence, I may put more to extend it a bit, or if there is some historical reason to show it. There are some unique cases, such as the sequence in the F-35 Lightning article. If you know of a reason in this case, I'd have know problem with it being there. - BillCJ 04:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
It's on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/page content page under "Related content:Designation Sequence". - BillCJ 18:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello Jeff! How are you? titanium is 40% heavier than aluminum. The first reference says titanium being replaced by aluminum but second reference which is older does not. Take care!--Bangabalunga 22:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I've just posted a new article at Bell Boeing Quad TiltRotor, and could use a second set of eyes, if you're in the mood. Akradecki 22:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the ref coding on KC-767. A75
Thanks for not just reverting my edits on KC767, and actually incorporating the gist of them in your updates. I am happy with the new version at this point, and good luck on your edits. A75 03:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I didn't realize I hadn't posted in my refs, my apologies. I'm surprised no one pointed it out to me earlier.
The good news is that they're fairly easy for me to find again. The descriptions of the background AMSA is a much shorter version of information found in this and Joe's. I basically reduced the entire series to "After a prolonged development period", I didn't think the long series of previous studies was too germane. The comment about the progress of aviation was ad-lib, but I think safely non-contentious. The turbulence reduction system, SMCS IIRC, is mentioned in both articles, and the comment about using it for airliners comes from a late-70's issue of Popular Mechanics (maybe 80?). I can find it again, but that one might take me a while. Actually there's a lot of interesting information in [1] that I think should be mentioned (the tie-in to the ATB for instance, and the changes before the first B-1A's were actually built), but I was afraid it might be took long already. The two paragraphs about the need for the B-1 (in the middle) in terms of penetration and the whole debate within the AF and gov over the need for a new penetration bomber is discussed a little here, [2] (2nd page of above), but nothing that "direct" (see below, I'll discuss this). The addition of new electronics between A and B is also documented there, although the reason is not (also see below). That Carter questioned the expense of such a system in face of the B-52/ALCM is contained in the references above, and that the B-1A was cancelled for the ALCM as well.
I then noticed there are several cite tags in the article, so I'm assuming that's what you're most curious about? The comments state "para needs a ref" but given the information it's a little difficult to know for sure what the issue is because they are all drawn from multiple sources. For instance, the comment about the survivability of the SLBM force and the need for a strategic bomber is a subset of the Triad debate, and I think is essentially non-contentious. It is ad-hoc, but I felt the article needed it as background for the debate that was taking place, and it's all covered in documents like this, when the generals were called on to defend the concept. Note that references to defending the concept are always written by the USAF :-) That it was a debate at all is more difficult to ref of course, but one can see mentions in the few policy documents from that era one can find like here (just an abstract) and the GAO report which questioned the entire concept in light of inflated claims. Modern arguments are almost always based on keeping the bombers for the conventional side, and I've even seen a call to eliminate ICBMs in order to keep the bombers. I believe that covers every statement up to "Flight tests of the four B-1A models...", which is the B-1A section.
In the B-1B section I see two tags. One is about the introduction of look-down systems. This was known by the defection of Viktor Belenko, who described the "super MiG-25" as having look-down capability in order to attack cruise missiles. The MiG-31 article talks about this. That new the ECM was actually added is referenced earlier (and in practically every B-1 article). The second tag is the mention about the spreading of the defense contracts was already there, my addition in that area was to mention the greatly increased price and the debate it sparked. I think that's it for the B-1B section.
However, it was while looking for the comparative weights for the comments about the B-1_A_ carrying less load than the B-52 that I got a little confused. All I can find now is 60,000 lbs for the B-52, and a single mention of the _increase_ between the A and B models here. However this leads me to believe the B-1A was in fact much larger too, so I've removed this claim even though I was led to believe it by a B-52 pilot (ahh, politics). I'm also a little suspect of the language I used in the "unkillable" comment, and I'd like your thoughts on that.
BTW I'm looking over the edit list to try to figure it all out and I see you've really done a lot of work beating it into shape. Kudos. If I have missed anything above, let me know!
Maury 04:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
While out doing errands this morning, I happened to be driving by Air Force Plant 42 and saw the Italian KC-767 sitting on the ramp of Boeing's Space Shuttle facility...strange it would be there! Made my morning, though...kinda cool to see a plane I've written on WP about in person. Akradecki 20:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
What is it with these guys? THey are so giddy about the RAAF getting Super Hornets, they aren't paying much attetion to what they're doing! You removed a redundant section, then I remove another one. Oh, I the guy who added the info into the existing section also added it on the legacy Hornet page. What's next, the YF-17 page?? :) - BillCJ 07:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
You seem to know your way around spec tables pretty good, so I was wonderiring if you could help me out on the Airwolf (helicopter) page. I'd like to do a side-by-side chart of the Bell 222 (original model) and Airwolf to give a good comparision of what the real aircraft could do, and what the fictional version could do. I really don't care what it looks like, as long as it looks good. If this is not a project you want to work on, it's OK. One of the editors on the Airwolf page wanted to have a page on the helicopter, and I'm just trying to make sure it stays grounded in reality! - BillCJ 02:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I used to watch both shows also. Oh, I added the two specs charts; didn't expect them to overlay like that tho, might be useful somewhere else. Basically keep most of the Airwolf specs, and match up what you can of the 222. I guess we should take the weapons out, and list them elsewhere. Just use your best judgment; if I think it needs tweaking, I'll let you know. THanks for the help. - BillCJ 03:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Looks good. THanks. However, maybe this is just my browser or comp setup, but I cant see the writing on the header; it's just all black. I'm running IE6 on Win XP, 850 Mhz, 800x600 on 32-bit color. - BillCJ 04:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I have seen that you've changed the MTOW for four versions. Although the numbers shown right now aren't wrong, they represents the standard weight of the aircraft. And over the years many operators has ordered aircraft with higher MTOW, or modified their fleets to higher standards.
For instance, KLM MD-11s have a MTOW of 280,320 kg: http://www.newfoundland.nl/cgi-bin/rld_search_uk.cgi?langPH-KCA
Martinair MD-11CF and MD-11F have a MTOW of 285,990kg, like the MD-11ER. http://www.newfoundland.nl/cgi-bin/rld_search_uk.cgi?langPH-MCT
On this site, you can see on the manufacturer documents that the MD-11C has a MTOW of 625,451lbs or even higher as an option. http://md-eleven.net/Specs-Technical-Details
I remember that Swissair's MD-11 were considered as MD-11AH (Advanced Heavy) because they had the higher MTOW without the extra tank for more range.
All this to say that it could be better to show the higher MTOW or both. --EuroSprinter 18:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
--EuroSprinter 20:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
It seems that MD-11AH is a designation used only by Swissair for its PIP modified MD-11s having the heaviest MTOW too. --EuroSprinter 20:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I've found some details regarding the fleets of Saudi Arabian, Transmile and Varig Log.
This gives us a better view of all the differences out there. Lufthansa Cargo and Alitalia designate MD-11SF all their aircraft converted from pax/combi, five for each airlines. But FedEx and UPS don't seem to do the same. --EuroSprinter 12:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I've just added a new reference (book), and I'm wondering if we shouldn't simplify all the sources and references. Under "Specification" there are some links, including another book I've used, and under "References" and "External Links" there are many other references (some already used under Specification), including my latest. I wonder if all these "sources" in three places won't confuse other users of the article. --EuroSprinter 17:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, that was more a questioning than an affirmative and indeed I prefer some sources under the table too. I've checked the page about the DC-10 where I've also edited and added book's references. On that page, the books were left on the references, and Boeing links put under the table. Just an idea, you're more experienced than me with Wiki. --EuroSprinter 20:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I've noticed the differences depending the source. I'm actually trying to determine how all these different options have evolved. When you that Swissair aircraft were delivered with 605,000lb, then upgraded to 618,000 before going to 630,500. And I'm not sure if I don't forget one or two modifications.... You really appreciate my work, I have to say I appreciate your help. --EuroSprinter 03:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
You made an edit here (diff) to differentiate between the manufacturers. The way you currently have it worded makes it sound like Hughes and MD developed it together or that MD took over from Hughes in developing the Apache. As I understand it, Hughes was solely responsible for the YAH-64 and AH-64A development and MD purchased Hughes and continued production and developed the AH-64D Longbow. How do you see it with your references? --Born2flie 19:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that is better than how it was. --Born2flie 20:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to talk it over with you, since you made the initial change to include all manufacturers. I think this newest change is the best one. Great job! --Born2flie 01:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey Jeff. Hope the point I'm making isn't too problematic. Documentation/sourcing is how we differentiate this forum from random blogs, right? Am I off base on this thing? Thanks--Jonashart 14:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello Jeff, I see you are an engineer. On the 787 talk page several people are arguing whether winglets provide lift to an airplane. Is this true? I dont know the answer either way, but my guess is that winglets may produce localized lift which eliminates drag at the tip of the wing which in turn takes pressure off the plane. The winglets dont provide direct lift to the fuselage like wings do but by their localized horizontal lift cacels some pressure off the wings. I'd appreciate some insight.Marcus--Bangabalunga 07:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The Ceremonial Last Flight Tomcat experienced a single Generator caution light so the spare launched in its place. The local AP stringer (SONJA BARISIC) changed that to "mechanical problems" to suit her spin for the AP wire release. The local press only reported one problem, which was accurate:
An F-14 flown by Lt. Cmdr. Chris Richard with radar intercept officer Lt. Mike Petronis makes the actual flyover after the first jet had a mechanical problem. The F-14 is being replaced with the F/A-18 Super Hornet. (http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=111479&ran=132499).
The AP reporting in Tidewater has gotten things wrong in the past in a rush to get copy on the wire. Wasn't the first time, likely not the last. HJ32
Wanted to make sure because the references do conflict with one another so it does pose a dilemma in which one to go with, ne c'est pas? --HJ 01:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering why you changed the Bell 222 table from the wikipedia standard style to something else? —MJBurrage • TALK • 00:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Most tables on Wikipedia use style="wikitable" which gives them a standard appearance. Note that as far as I know this is not a rule, but rather an informal attempt to make Wikipedia more uniform. I.E. there are many tables that use other colors for specific reasons, but if the color of the table is unimportant to the topic, most tend to stick to the "wikitable" table design. —MJBurrage • TALK • 02:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Just to be clear, all using class="wikitable" does is standardize the colors and lines of the table to match the general look of Wikipedia. Content and structure are still based on the editor's decisions. Using this default style gives the table an appearance consistent with the majority of tables in the encyclopedia (since more use this design than any other), and removes the need to clutter the table code with lots of color and/or border commands since they are built into the CSS class already. Compare the following three tables:
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Notice how it takes more work (than in the third table) to do custom formatting in the second table, and that the table would be harder for someone else to edit due to the extra code. The third table is 1) more consistent with the rest of Wikipedia, and 2) easier for others to edit later. (P.S. where in WP:AIR is this being discussed?) —MJBurrage • TALK • 07:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
The "issue" was having to use partially triangular engine intakes and side-mounted accessories on the high-bypass engines on later models. This is well documented; I don't think we need a fact check on it - the article discusses it elsewhere. Georgewilliamherbert 20:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I just added the updated version to the Bell 407 page. Could you double-check it for me? Thanks. Btw, I've moved my sandboxes to new pages; the updated list is here. - BillCJ 19:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, the Frawley book does not cover the 429, as it was printed in 2003. It does have info on the 427, tho not the planned/stillborn 427i. I plan on using the Bell 429 site and the Flugrevue page in the EL fo r the specs. - BillCJ 03:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
It was a carry-over from the 407, where I stole the specs table from. Thanks for catching that. I've gone live now with the full version at Bell 429, and the sandbox will be deleted soon. - BillCJ 18:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I noticed that the specs on User:BillCJ/Sandbox/Bell 222 and User:BillCJ/Sandbox/Bell 430 don't have the engine models listed (just the power rating). I still don't trust myself on tables, so can you try to add those sometime in the nest few days? Oh, don't bother messing with the current Bell 222 page's table unlkess you really want to do it. Thanks. - BillCJ 02:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
A previous editor on the 222 page (probably Alan) has detailed engine info at User:BillCJ/Sandbox/Bell 222#Powerplants. I'd need to ask him to be certain that he was the one, and to clarify his sources, but most of the data is probably from the Bell 222/230 Field Maintenance Training Manual, which is listed in "References". - BillCJ 03:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I have finished up the Bell 430 sandbox. If you could double check it for me, I'd appreciate it. I'f asked Alan to look at to too, and then move it to Bell 430 over the redirect, so it might be on the main page by the time you read this. - BillCJ 17:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
If Alan does that it's fine, but if not that's OK too. I just think it's good to give the new pages some edit history if we can, but it's not a big deal either way.
I'm going to cut the 430 out of the main 222 page, and copy the new specs over, and the other sections, but I'm still working on the new text in the sandbox. Thanks again for your help. - BillCJ 20:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Jeff the reason I have removed the speeds is mph/kph are multifold, this is currently the standard parctice on Wikipedian jet article (737/747). The refs I have provided from Boeing only quote the Mach number. The reason they are not present is because there is no consitent way to convert Mach Number to a velocity. As I'm sure you are aware the speed of sound (Mach 1.0) depends on a number of factors (temperature, pressure altitude, air density etc..) For example (discounting air density/pressure altitude) at 0°C the speed of sound is about 740 mph (making Mach 0.85 equal to 630mph) where as a temperature of -50°C (not uncommon at FL400) the speed of sound is only 670 mph (making mach .85 = 570 mph) This gets further complicated when you consider pressure & density, When considering this with respect to an aircraft there are other things to consider, for example wind speed, this then brings the question do the speeds refer to Ground Speed, Airspeed (TAS or IAS). Hence the reason jet aircraft crusing speeds are normally given in Mach Number. The litereture that does give speeds in mph/kph is usually the Janet & John bit (i.e. for those who have no concept of the speed of sound). -- Rehnn83 Talk 15:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jeff. I have a chance to go to Vought in Charleston South Carolina in August and see the 787 being built. Would you like to go with me? You can read Bill's talk page for more info. Take care Marcus --Bangabalunga 18:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello Jeff, Yes as far as I know the trip is on. I have semi-distant family memebers living in Spartanburg and we are planning on visiting them around August. I dont know if this is for sure or not as flights are expensive. I will try and make it there for this summer. I will give you plenty of notice.--Bangabalunga 17:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Well folks, thanks to your reviews and comments, the Fightin' Texas Aggie Band is now a featured article on Wikipedia. It should take a day or so to update, but it's a done deal. Thanks for the help, Fnlayson. — BQZip01 — talk 19:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jeff, I have some big plans with the Su-25 article (my final objective is to make it an FA until August), and I need somebody to give me advices and do some copyediting and other things like that. I started editing this article because I found a very good source, which can cover almost the entire article. I completely overhauled the "Operators" and "Combat service" sections, and I like to hear your opinion regarding them (because I think you are a truelly expert on the subject). Are you interested to help? Best regards, --Eurocopter tigre 22:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! That's what I actually needed, somebody to take care of the minor things of the article (typo, copyedit; fixing links, templates, layout, etc.). Cheers, Eurocopter tigre 22:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, although I didn not inted to do it this soon, anotehr jumped the gun, and split the Bombardier CRJ aritcle into the Bombardier CRJ100/200 and Bombardier CRJ700/900 pages. Could you break up the specs template on the main page, and move the correct versions to their respective pages? Thanks. Btw, if those gaudy border colors were "accidently" cahnged during the move, I wouldn't complain ;) - BillCJ 22:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for my snarky edit summary and reversion of your edit. Thanks for finding a compromise version. --John 02:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey Jeff, I remember the B2 article for the longest time made the point that each B2 costs twice its weight in gold. I remembered this and just brought a friend to the computer to show it to him and its gone. Is this statement not true? I divided the cost by its weight and multiplied it by the price of gold at 400 bucks an ounce and it is really true.--Bangabalunga 20:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I would like to replace the last paragraph of the Devel section to: The B-2 cost estimates per plane has ranged from 1.157 billion[1] to 2.2 billion US dollars.[2]
The 1994 Defense Authorization Act approved of 20 bombers with the following costs:[2]
It reads like a magazine article not an encyclopedia. Any objections?
Looks fine with me Lance. The comparison to an aircraft carrier seems silly. I'd like to keep the actual $150M manufacturing cost sentence, if I can find a reference for it. -Fnlayson 17:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to write a note of thanks. I'd been working a bit on the Valkyrie article, and submitted it as a GA candidate mainly to see where it was and how much further it needed to go. I've been so busy working on my thesis lately I hadn't had a chance to make many of the needed improvements. You've put a lot of work into the article, and I wanted to make sure you saw that someone recognized it. Twredfish 01:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I was looking at the Bombardier Aerospace page today, and realized that there was an extensive section on the Bombardier CSeries there (mostly unsourced). I moved the section to the Bombardier CSeries article, and rewrote a small blurb on it of the company page. Unfortunately, after spending almost an hour rewriting the Bombardier CSeries page, I lost it all by hitting the wrong key. I have tried to redo it, and hopefully it makes sense. When you can, could you look over the page, and check my edits? Thanks. - BillCJ 03:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, UK webmaster fixed the captions. Link added back into aritcle. Have a great 4th! LanceBarber 18:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is the really stub information about Boeing 737-400 being the "closest competitor" of the MD-80 being moved around as if it would be important. Unless sourced, that's really a piece of information out of the blue. The plane has been offered to customers and buyers for 30+ years, and it has been competing with a lot of aircraft types during those decades.
Appreciate the other edits you've made in the MD-80 article; sets the style, adds quality.
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I, Eurocopter Tigre, award you this Wikiwings for your outstanding efforts and precious help in improving aviation-related pages, especially the Sukhoi Su-25 article. You truely deserve them! Keep up the good work!! --Eurocopter tigre 19:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC) |
Jeff, you can keep an eye out for a Blue Thunder pic that we can use? If it's copyrighted to Columbia, then we can use it under fair use. We'll have to post it on the movie page if it's fair use until we get the copter page ready, since fair use pics can't be used on userpages. - BillCJ 05:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
The project was in late 2004. I added that in there and stuck it at the bottom of Current Users. Thanks, Matthew Biebel 13:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, who is the person who usually promotes an article after an A-class review on WPAVIATION? Does somebody like Kirill Lokshin exist there? The other article which is on A-class review is there since May, and nobody passed or failed it... Cheers, --Eurocopter tigre 22:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I've done it. Can you have a look to see if it's right? Thanks, Eurocopter tigre 23:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! --Eurocopter tigre 23:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jeff. In the F-22 Raptor article, I noticed that we were both altering citation styles. This article incorporated so many different "quirks" in style guides that I had decided to incorporate the Modern Language Association (MLA) style guide to simplify all citation entries. This guide along with the APA (American Psychological Association) style guide are the two most often used formats in Wikipedia. The APA has invariably been used in the templates but both MLA and APA guides predominate. The MLA guide is the world's most common reference format and is extensively used for research papers specializing in the humaities and social sciences.
At this point, I want to determine whether your eyes are not rotating back into their sockets, but irregardless, let me go on... The reason for choosing the MLA style is not only because of its widespread acceptance in research but also because of its innate simplicity and flexibility. All citations have a very standardized form: Author (last name, first name, alphabetically ordered by first entry). Title (if a periodical, encyclopedia or other media title shown in quotations, with the main entry source in italics). Place of publication (city, country if needed): Publisher, Date of publication. (With all other entries added, for example, a page number written as "p." or any other information, re: ISBN, internet link, etc.) Now in using a consistent MLA style, this is how a citation and reference would look:
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs) News Transcript, 21 April 1999. [4]. Access date: 16 July 2007.
(The quirk I introduced is the period to separate entries as per MLA style guide.)
Jeff, does it appear to be a whole lot of speculation in this article? I know that things are still up in the air but I wonder if it would be prudent to trim some of the other editor's ramblings? I noted you took umberage about someone's "babble" that crept into the intro. FWIW Bzuk 14:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC).
Jeff, I won't go into detail here about the use of quotation marks, but sufficient to say is that the Wikipedia style guide in this area is mistaken as to use of quotation marks. I have dealt with this issue for a decade with editors worldwide so I know that it is still a contentious issue. BTW, I am an editor by trade and very pedantic to boot.
Briefly, The Properly Incorrect Use of Punctuation in Quotes as given in technical works:
The correct rule for punctuation within Quotation Marks, says:
Periods and commas always go inside quotation marks.
Example: He told us, "Put the period in the right place." Does this rule apply to technical writing?
No! Not always.
The goal of a technical manual and preseumably Wikipedia, is to tell the user precisely what to do and how to do it. Sometimes, grammar gets in the way.
Consider the following sentence:
Type your name into the from field like this: "Doug." Then press the tab key.
This is misleading in a technical manual.
Quotation marks are often used in technical document to show exactly what the user should type into an input field. In these cases, the quotations show what a user should type verbatim.
Should they type the period? NO! not in this case. So the period does not belong inside the quotes. Instead, break the grammatical rule and write this:
Type your name into the from field like this: "Doug". Then press the tab key.
Now is is clear to the user that they should type Doug in the from filed, without the period.
You can try to avoid these grammatical problems by changing the sentence structure, but this may lead to other problems. For example, you may change the need for a period into the need for a comma. Or you may end up with a longer, more convoluted sentence, hardly clear, concise and a quick read.
Follow the correct rules for punctuation whereever possible, but keep clarity and technical correctness (rather than grammatical correctness) as the priority.
Make sure information is easy to find and can be clearly understood, even at the expense of making a few minor grammatical faux pas.
The problem with Wikipedia is that it has established a variance in a grammatical rule as if it was the norm. FWIW Bzuk 12:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC).
Hi. Thanks for the reply regarding BAE. Since then I looked into it a bit more & I sent the webmaster an e-mail. I'll let you know what (if any) response I get. The phrase that set me off was "is the successor to many of the most famous British aircraft, defence electronics and warship manufacturers." -- I wrote that to "provoke interest" in the subject of the article as suggested by a FAC whilst also considering what might sound NPOV. The more I read the more I recognised it!! Mark83 21:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello Jeff, James wallace of the Seattlepi wrote an article yesterday that is interesting. The part about the Sonic Cruiser is the best! http://seattlepi.com/business/321719_dreamliner29.html take care, marcus--Bangabalunga 22:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
FYI: Boeing's release on crash testing. "787 completes physical crashworthiness testing". -Fnlayson 16:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, a user has added two commercial pics of the Short 330 to the page, so I am going to try to work on adding text to User:BillCJ/Sandbox/C-23 Sherpa page this week. I spent today adding pics from the DOD image site to the C-23 Commons page, so feel free to have a look, and add the ones you like to the sandbox. DOn't worry about blank space right now, just pic what you think are the best of each type. I'm also setting up User:BillCJ/Sandbox/Short 330 and User:BillCJ/Sandbox/Short 360, and hope to dump in some text in the next few days to expand them. - BillCJ 07:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I see you added The International Directory of Civil Aircraft, 2003/2004 to your books list, and so I assume you have it now. If so, check out the photo credit for the Short 360 listed at the bottom of page 193. Interesting, huh? There should be a few more throughout the book. PS, is the new Harrier II book any good? - BillCJ 00:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I've started a sandbox on the CH-53K at User:BillCJ/Sandbox/Sikorsky CH-53K. I don't expect to go live with it this year, but when more info, such as specs, does come out, we can have something close to ready. - BillCJ 17:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I think so. The CH-53K is going to be largely new, even the fuselage is about a foot wider. I don't think it needs to be separated now, but eventually it will get to that point. - BillCJ 17:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
So are the Canadian editors here, who keep adding to that section on the C-17 page :) Soon, it'll be longer than all the other sections combined! I'm going to try to cut it back to the bear essentials once all the hoopla dies down. You've done a good job of keeping it trimed tho to this point. I hope we don't end up having to spin off the C-177, becasue it's not any different than late-model USAF planes. In fact, they actually ARE USAF planes, because the USAF allowed Canada to take some of their slots, and the planes were under consturction befre Canada signed on. I'm exicted for the Boeing people who make them, because a few years ago the C-17 was about dead. At least the RAF/RAAF/CF/NATO orders have given it new life for now, thogh the orders are relativley few. It's even more exciting for me because of all the bad-mouthing about the plane during its development, probably second only to the V-22's criticism. But with the War on Terror, the C-17 has demonstrated it's usefulness, and now "everyone" wants some, even Sweden! The Swedes don't usually participate in programs like this because of their neutrality, but they are part of the NATO buy. Anyway, McDD did a good job on it. (Isn't this the last McDD transport still in production?) - BillCJ 18:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
The Military history WikiProject coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting nine coordinators from a pool of fourteen candidates to serve for the next six months. Please vote here by August 28! Eurocopter tigre 20:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello Jeff, could you please go and close the Su-25 review at WP:AVIATION. It has support, but nobody would ever close it because of the bad organization in the project. I would done it, if I weren't the one who requested it. Thanks, --Eurocopter tigre 18:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
The article is somewhat missing a criticism section where several negative effects of the M1 should be combined. Other nations trialling the M1 but not adopting him should be included there. Do you have any idea how to achieve this? --Denniss 22:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Since I see you already update Template:WPAVIATION Announcements/Rotorcraft, and chance of getting you to add your name to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation Project Coordinator Proposal as the Rotorcraft liason? - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 05:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, the issues that have arisen with this article do have an explanation. Please email me and I will fill you in. FWIW Bzuk 05:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC).
Thanx Jeff for your help on staring the Sand Box. I got a Helicopters in Pop Culture- I'm trying to get back on (after being deleted : ( so if you have any contribs, please feel free to drop in thanx again ANigg 06:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah Jeff I think actually I do have it in USER space. If you get a chance can you chk. my page out to tell whether or not I do have in the right place. Also if so if you have any contribs, please feel free ( And no I'm not trying to pass the work on to you LOL)ANigg 04:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if there's anything we can use here, but I found this news release, which you might find interesting. - BillCJ 17:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
AV-8A is a typo, I'm sure. the pics of the Harriers in the MOD article are definitely B Pluses. - BillCJ 17:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, take a look at the recent edits in this article. Send me an email, I'll fill you in. FWIW Bzuk 16:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC).
Re this diff, has there been an announcement by Boeing of the 797? Or is this just pure speculation again? - BillCJ 16:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for the help on Qantas. Sparrowman980 04:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC) |
yes they should count. Sparrowman980 03:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Well at Qantas page but at World's largest airlines i have to call it Qantas group but it really isn't called that its just called Qantas. Sparrowman980 03:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
According to its web site, "Qantas" covers the whole company & subsidiaries. They also total QantasLink and Jetstar with their numbers here. -Fnlayson 03:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Right and thats what i used now another one that means that all thos planes are under Qantas right and if that is can you back me up because every time i change something they always revert even if i am right. Sparrowman980 03:56, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Many thanksSparrowman980 04:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
What i will do thou is creat Qantas group page and link it to Qantas think that will work. Sparrowman980 04:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Well thats what i am asking?Sparrowman980 04:56, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
K then i won't do it then.Sparrowman980 20:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, do you know of a good non-wiki article or source on Israel's raid on the Syrian nuclear facility earlier this month? I totally missed any good coverage of it, and thought you might know of some. Also, do you know if there a Wikipedia article on it yet? Thanks. - BillCJ 17:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Before reverting, you may want to look at the contributions of Emgeannikis (talk · contribs), who originally added that link, and 129.44.49.20 (talk · contribs), his IP. He is the author of that book and was adding it randomly as a "reference" to articles. Putting ref tags around spam doesn't make it not spam. He understands now that this action is against our policies, so there's not a problem any more from that standpoint, but unless you have read this book and have something you would like to legitimately reference with it, please don't undo my removal. --B 21:31, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. I was disturbed by an essay I read that mentioned the possibility that Wikipedia would never increase in quality, only in size. So I decided to back off from adding pages until I at least tried to help bring up the quality on the existing pages. When I saw that MILHIST had a drive on to update their assessments I tossed my hat in the ring. I have restricted myself to American and German Aircraft for now because I have been studying them for most of my life. As I learn more about editing I may branch out into more of the basic Military History areas I'm interested in, American Civil War, WWI, WWII. I have a large library of specific books I've collected over the years, and I'm learning how to scan through them to find those "things I know I read somewhere" to help with the sourceing craze. Bzuk has been patiently teaching me how to format citations.
While I was slugging through the F's in B-Class military history articles needing review I updated F/A-18, just after I did, I noticed you had recently nested the two project banners. Alas, when I updated it I removed the |nested=yes entries. I've been trying to do nesting for project banners greater than two. It just looked like convention to me from all the Talk pages I've viewed. Is there another reason for nesting besides the number of boxes? Please enlighten me. --Colputt 23:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I submitted a formal request for a name change to Archtransit because I didn't like the "train" part. The new name was a compromise to retain a similar name rather than a completely different name. A bureaucrat accepted the request and transferred my entire edit history to Archtransit.
If you look at the edit history of Archtrain, you will see there are no edits. However, the signature (4 tildes) that Archtrain left remain. It's an idiosyncracy of wikipedia, I think.
Judging from your talk page, you edit quite a lot about aviation! Welcome! Archtransit 15:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Have you considered accepting a nomination to be an administrator? Some people think that a potential administrator has to be of a certain mold, i.e. looking for vandalism, participating in articles for deletion debates, and not necessarily a good or frequent editor of articles. I think that a good editor, like you, is the ultimate sign of commitment. With good temperment and a sense of fairness, you encourage others by example to edit. If interested, I'll nominate you. Archtransit 16:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Nice job on the A-10 rewrite and an EXCELLENT notation in the references!!! — BQZip01 — talk 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
user:GB-UK-BI is a socketpup of indef blocked vandal user:gon4z. He has a vast record of inserting unsourced nationalistic pro-Albanian propaganda and/or anti-Serbian claims into articles - especially regarding Kosovo and Albanian military forces. As sock of a blocked user I reported him to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism - in case you come across other socks of Gon4z - revert his edits and report the suspected sock to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. best regards, --noclador 22:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll work on a cite for the panorama windows thing. I clearly remember the Aviation Week ad back in the late '80s showing the concept of a lower front deck. The views in flight would be amazing, but LANDING might be pretty disturbing, depending on conditions... A2Kafir 18:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I just found the Pratt & Whitney PW1120 page, and it needs some work. There's been a "Too Technical" tag on it since last Dec, and it is that, making me think it's a text dump from somewhere. I've added a few things, such as ref section and ELs to Globalsecurity pages on the Lavi and F-4 variant with the PW1120 engine. Also, I haven't checked to see if there are any links to the F100, of which the 1120 is a derivitive. When you have time, could you take a look? Thanks. - BillCJ 00:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
THanks. Nope, the book just covers aircraft which either served with or were evaluated by the Army. Sometimes it has some history on variants/usage in the other services, mostly as background, but not consistently.
PS, if you want to say, exactly what area of aviation/engineering do you work in? (filed, not company, as were in an open forum.) I'd just like to have an idea of where your expertise lies, in case I need advice/help in a particular area on here. Like, I know Alan is in helicopters, primariyl engine maintenance, but I believes he's a pilot also (or at least knows how to fly). So when we had autoratation questions on the V-22 talk page, I asked him for help. Born is an Army OH-58 pilot, so once in a while I'll toss a questiong his way. Thanks. - BillCJ 01:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Have you done much editing with the (fairly-new) Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Aviation accident task force and aircraft incidents pages? Alan has worked on some of those articles, esp copters, and I try to watch some just to watch the flakes, and the new incidents. Just asking. - BillCJ 02:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
No prob. Thought I'd ask. Anyway, if I run across a structural question somewhere, I'll keep you in mind. :) - BillCJ 03:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Guys, I would be glad to try and help on the helicopter accident work. My expertise is in Army helicopter crashworthiness and flight safety. I'm not an accident investigator, but I understand the helicopter technology incorporated in the aircraft.--The Founders Intent 12:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I see you finally got Modern Battlefield Warplanes. How d'ya like it? - BillCJ 05:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Great! The Harrier section has some good info too. It covers some different areas than the Harrier II: Validating V/STOL book, so the complement each other well. - BillCJ 06:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Because you'd done a few edits on the A-67 page, just wanted to let you know why it disappeared...the entire article was a cut-and-paste copyvio, so it was deleted. Would probably be a good subject for a "real" article, though. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 17:40, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I overlooke this : And by the time we got to the fourth generation, we were able to add supersonic speed,
I thought this:
Q: To what degree are radar absorbent materials used on the F-22, and are they of similar sorts that were used on the F-117?
A: Just by way of comparison, the F-117 is completely covered with radar- absorbing material, and this airplane has a very small percentage of its surface covered with radar-absorbing materials. And the materials are, if these are second generation, then these are fourth and fifth generation.--HDP 17:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I've seen you working on the article. Wondered if you would look at my sandbox article. I've been working the History section to include up to the award of the Engineering Development contract. I'll be looking to cover development work by Lockheed in the Development section. Let me know what you think. --Born2flie (talk) 09:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
How do you people come into possession of this sort of data? I need you as sources.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 18:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
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Jeff, thanks for your help in editing that Bell 533 sandbox article! Citation: For finding all my silly mistakes when I've been editing while tired and long after I should've been writing anything, as well as for your general willingness to help other editors to solve problems and improve articles. You are a credit to what it means to assume good faith and an example of what an editor should be on Wikipedia. (i.e. not me) --Born2flie (talk) 19:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC) |
Jeff, the Specs table at USS Constitution#Specifications is too narrow,and has text beside it that bunches up at 800x600. Do you know how to fix this? Thanks. - BillCJ (talk) 23:52, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I see you fixed it. I don't know much about table formatting, and didn't have a clue here. I did spend about an hour yesterday trying to fix a ref tag that was messed up, and blanking part of the text. Whew! - BillCJ (talk) 00:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I found out that there are edit counters. I have 707 mainspace edits. That means I have to stop editing today and enjoy the number. 707 is a lucky number, just like 747, etc. You can remove this silly message if you wish. Archtransit (talk) 20:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello Fnlayson, I read your question on the aviation discussion page. As the Assessment Coordinator I wish I could answer this question. Ever since the merging of the various aviaton projects we have only used the quality scale. This issue could be voted on at the aviation discussion page if you wanted. Marcusmax (talk) 00:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
There has been a call for deletion of the List of minor characters in the Firefly universe article. Since you've commented on the call to merge all the major characters, I thought you might be interested. Shsilver 15:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
You mentioned that you read it. Is it worth getting on interlibrary loan? Interesting? (probably) Useful as a WP reference? Archtransit 19:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
In 1965, Joseph Sutter was transferred from Boeing's 737 development team to manage the studies for a new airliner, already assigned its model number 747.
Reference available, perhaps in the Sutter book? Archtransit (talk) 20:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Resolved! Found a reference that even says he was working on the 737 before. There are tons of references for the latter part but I found a reference for the first part of the sentence.
After we "finish" (never finished!), I would like to submit the article for peer review (opinion?). Not so much as a pre-GA or FA stamp of approval (though it could be used for that) but just so we can say that we did a reasonably good job and someone else agrees (or gives suggestions). Archtransit (talk) 20:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I can use his book to replace some web links if needed.. -Fnlayson (talk) 02:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Been working the XV-1 sandbox article over in my neck of the woods. I dropped Apostolo out of the picture since he didn't have any unique information. I've staged the Operational history section covering the research flight testing, but I still have a lot of text commented out of sight for the Design section. I have also considered using the GlobalSecurity.org page as a reference, but can't seem to establish the source. Knowing GS.org, they cut and paste a lot of their technical information on equipment and systems, so I'd like to determine whose work it is to avoid copyvio before putting the article out into the wild.
I know you and Bill have a bazillion pages on your watchlists and get spread out over the other subjects you cover. I just pick one that sounds like a good one to work and start putting it together. I think Robb had something on the 16H in his article in Vertiflite, so I might work on that one next. I'll get back to Cheyenne, Kiowa, and Helicopter soon, but when I hit writer/researcher's block, tackling a new article helps. --Born2flie (talk) 02:37, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, just did a whirlwind redo on Helicopter to submit it for the contest. Mostly because I want to find it on Veropedia some day, although $100 wouldn't hurt. I left the early history a bit messy because I focused on everything else that I felt other editors wouldn't whine and cry about while I was trying to get the editing done. Anyways, if you get time, run through it and tell me what you like, don't like. Thanks. --Born2flie (talk) 23:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I've been adding basic data to the F-86 Sabre#Operators section, this afternoon. I need to take a break. Would you mind proof read the section and correct any grammatical/format errors that I may have. When I get done, I will review my edits back with the book, one more time. I probably should have copied the section to my own sandbox add all the stuff in , then replace the section in one wack. Didn't think it would take that long. Would appreciate your review. I hope to finish it tonight. Thank you so much. Lance..... LanceBarber (talk) 02:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Is there anything I could help on? Let me know.--THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 02:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Jeff, I read this report today, and something stuck me as odd. In the eighth paragraph, it mentions a "boar scope". I assume this is supposed to be "borescope", and that boar was a typo, but I really don't know much about it at all. Plus I couldn't resist sharing the image of little pigs running around inside the F-15s with cameras or sensors strapped on! :) - BillCJ (talk) 17:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
The Air Force Assoc magazine has updates on the F-15 inspections and all on the Daily Reports for December. -Fnlayson (talk) 08:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
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Awarded to Fnlayson for his outstanding effort and cooperation with others in improving the Boeing 747 article daily over a period of several weeks as well as overall contributions to aviation related articles. These wings exemplify Fnlayson's teamwork approach. --Archtransit (talk) 21:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC) |
I think that the external dimensions of the upper deck of the -300, -400 (except -400F, which doesn't have a SUD), and -8 are the same. The inside structure of a -300 SUD is different because of the flooring (which cuts down the main deck cargo space when converted to a freighter).
Anyway, I believe that the wingbox and fuselage barrels over the wing were redesigned for the 747SP and the -300 and later versions used this same design. That's why the -300/-400/-8 upper deck all end at the same spot. Since there is a lot of design work going into this, they must have reused the design. Otherwise, the -400's upper deck could have been longer. Archtransit (talk) 23:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
http://seattlepi.com/business/251973_air14.html The upper deck will be bigger, too, part of stretching the 747-8 to accommodate about 34 more passengers. Archtransit (talk) 00:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
In the spirit of the holidays, but also in recognition of your help:
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I noticed that an A class article is higher ranked than a GA. 747 is an A class article. Unless you object, I would like to work on the article for a week or two (or however long it takes) and submit it for Featured Article consideration. I was looking at some FA and our article beats them. Archtransit (talk) 19:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
accurate comment! Both of us deserve a barnstar (or 2) for ref work...need to finish because this is not fun unlike article writing! Archtransit (talk) 18:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello Fnlayson, a cut&paste repair has been requested regarding the F-4 Phantom II page, because User:Nigel Ish copied a section to that article, at which you've participated with two edits. I'm not 100% sure, but I think a complex repair can be avoided if you release exclusively this and this edit under the public domain. If you don't want to, a history merge is necessary. Happy editing. --Oxymoron83 18:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Merry Christmas All! |
Merry Christmas to you, Jeff.--Dan Dassow (talk) 23:04, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Happy New Year 2008! No edits for today. Probably tomorrow. Archtransit (talk) 15:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Jeff can you take a look and see what you think so far. User:ANigg/AH-1Z Viper I talked with Bill & he says even if this dosen't become an article it could be incorporated in to the AH-1W Artcl. ThanxANigg (talk) 07:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I have a pic I want 3 views of the Viper, can you give me the quick summary on how to do that. ThanxANigg (talk) 22:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes "3-view Image" I have made on my own, based on Bell Heli. Specs. If you have an e-mail address, I can send to you & tell me your thoughts I'm at AKANIGG@aol.com / PS thanx for the help on the Viper Pic ANigg (talk) 00:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)