hi, welcome to wikipedia. i noticed you are changing "korean war" to "korean civil war" in many articles. while i understand your intent, there is a WP:NC wikipedia naming policy, that requires us to use the most common english name in most cases. if you want to propose a change to how wikipedia names this topic, please feel free to discuss at Talk:Korean War, but please do not pipe, redirect, or use a name other than the current actual article name. thanks.Appleby 00:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
provelt, i posted on the "no npov" discussion page, but wanted to talk to you directly. i agree that the page does not conform to category standards. (blame my woeful wikiskills for that). if you wish, i would be delighted to remove the content.
instead of placing this content in a "category", i instead will create an article by that name.
however, i ask that the "no npov" category be kept on wikipedia. just as other categories have pages for like-minded wikipedians to be listed (i.e. red sox, vegetarians, teachers, etc.) i would like the category for "no npov" to exist as well. thanks. i will check back here in a in day or so.
This section is titled NPOV, but exhibits a near total US perspective and narrative on the events. Where are the views and histories of the Korean people in Pyongt'aek as well as those of the NKA? This entire article needs cleaning up to bring in more voices and histories.
thanks for the information about napalm used during the Korean War.
Hi, I noticed your edits on that page and just wanted to say it's nice to meet another highly-qualified intellectual. I do agree that the Korean War was essentially a civil war on paper, but I'm sure it is not lost on Koreans that in reality (despite DPRK starting the war) that ultimately it was a US v Soviet and Chinese determination regarding the 38th parallel outcome. Jsw663 02:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with your argument about the NPOV policy. It gets in the discussion way too much, and one statement leads an editor to scream out POV and the discussion begins to gurgle down into a blown out argument and endless debate (as seen in the Dokdo talk page). Good friend100 17:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
안녕하세요. You have made the claim that North Korea is not Stalinist. Can you show me a non-North Korean source that also claims so? I am just saying that I have always heard it called 'the last Stalinist regime', and a 'repressive dictatorship'. I would just like some citation that it isn't Stalinist. Respectfully, --완원용(阮願龍)/Ionius Mundus 02:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the response. I actually got a Bruce Cumings book, North Korea, about a week ago and haven't gotten around to reading it yet. I'll have to do that soon. You have explained a lot. One more thing, what do you believe about accusations that it's repressive, lacking human rights, and founded on a personality cult? Again, thank you. Respectfully, 완원용(阮願龍)/Ionius Mundus 19:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
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Hello Hongkyongnae!
I decided to post directly to your page since you seem interested in the debate about NPOV. You have probably spent more time deducting / reasoning about this issue than have I, however I stumbled upon the problems of NPOV several times, not until recently did I realize that NPOV is not only a dream, it is impossible and unfair to an article, since it encourage people to find ways of justifying their biased opinion shrouded in a confusing smokescreen of anonymous neutral-sounding language, while still claiming its clear and un-neutral agenda, such as is the case about the Korean War aka Fatherland Liberation War.
Therefore, I lately have found it inspirational to think of the NPOV requirement as a BPOV requirement, a Balanced Point of View. That's why I have created the BPOV article with the intent of correcting the flaws in the NPOV policy with the hope of it becoming a new Wikipedia policy, or atleast an accepted alternative, or at the very least, to further induce debate about this issue so that the problems of NPOV may be solved.
오래간만이에요. Earlier you said, "...plus, they do NOT see socialims in one state, which was a key point in stalinism". The article on Juche directly contradicts this saying, "North Korea indeed upholds Stalin's theory of "socialism in one country"", and "...advocating "socialism in one country", as opposed to international socialism, the North Korean government...". Should this be changed? Can you explain more in-depth about how Juche relates to 'socialism in one country'? By the way, I'm still reading the Bruce Cumings book, as well as the official biography of Kim Il-sŏng (though that one will take me a very long time, having over 2000 pages). Thank you. -- 완원용(阮願龍)/Ionius Mundus 03:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
the title of dae-sook suh's book is "kim il sung: the north korean leader." pretty easy. have fun reading the biography, and i am jealous you have enough time to read so much. Hongkyongnae 20:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
first, nice job on the juche update. it makes more sense now. as you could see by the earlier edits, they were unsure of what to write..." socialism in one country, but acknowledges international socialism." what you did was to clarify what seemd to be a contradiction. second, on lee jun (이준) he was one of three secret emissaries sent by king gojong (korea's last king) to the hague conference in 1907. their mission was to enlist the sympathy and support of european nations to keep the japanese from colonizing korea. the mission was a failure in that most governments sided with the japanese seizure of korea and refused to even admit the emissaries since legally korea was not an independent country. (this action by japan was patterned after the european practice, so not many europeans would object too much.) in response to their failure, lee jun (one of the three emissaries) was so outraged at western nations that he committed suicide, i believe by cutting his stomach open in public. in nk, this event is very well known and is often held up as proof that (1) imperialist nations will never help korea, only harm it. (2) that appealing to the "good will" and justice of the international community is futile. and (3) the only way for korea to resist imperialism is to take action for themselves, dont count on others. you can see how juche both fits and flows from this event. i hope this helps you. by the way, i can sympathize with you about summer vacation being over. classes start in 8 days for me. Hongkyongnae 21:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
good luck on the lee jun article. you might want to list a movie that deals with the event at the end of the article. it was made in nk, is it called "the hero who never returned" (돌아오지않은밀사) directed by shin sang ok. some websites that may help are, www.korea-dpr.com/library/202.pdf, and www.times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200509/kt2005090819230311990.htm
as for the 이 becoming lee, ( 李 ) first go to hangul and you can see some explanation. simply put, 이 can be written either 이 or 리 depending on where it appears in a word. when it is first, it is 이. the problem with 이 is when you try to romanize it as a name. "i" or "e" dont really work all that well. so some koreans romanized it as lee or rhee. some other koreans romanize 이 as Yi, dropping the "l/r" but trying to avoid having "i" or "e" sitting there all alone. by the way, nk and sk language differs on this dropping of the initial "l/r". let me know when you have the article on lee jun up and running. Hongkyongnae 22:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
My apologies for not replying to your first post. Thanks for the work you've done on improving James Palais.
The Palais article is already a real article -- as real as they get on Wikipedia, anyway :-). The discussion tab is currently in red because nothing has been written there. For the same reason, this link is red. So while the discussion tab may seem to be highlighted, it isn't really. (Am I right that that's the source of the confusion?)
So please feel free to continue improving & expanding the article. There's quite a lot of information out there that the article doesn't cover yet. In particular, I think it would be great if the article had a fuller bibliography of Palais' work. I'm not sure if it should be a complete bibliography, though; I'm not sure how much he wrote.
Anyway, thanks for your efforts in improving Wikipedia's coverage of Korea-related topics! Hope to continue seeing you around. -- Visviva 01:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Another question: How did Kim Hyŏng Jik (Kim Il Sŏng's father) die? Originally the article on him said, "He was killed in a raid by Communists, but was later recast for propaganda purposes as an indefatigable Communist revolutionary fighter and a vanguard of the Communist movement who had been killed later." However, Kim Il Sŏng's official biography claims that he died from natural causes, rather than having been kileed as the article claimed that both sides said. What do you say? By the way, I checked more thouroughly and found that my Bruce Cumings book is actually North Korea: Another Country. Strangely, it wasn't on the cover or first page. Also, I made an edit on the Bruce Cumings page which seemed biased against him characterizing him as pro-North Korean. Thanks. --Ionius Mundus 05:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
on the first point you are probably correct. but i also suspect that something else has happened. as it often does with people who live within a larger social grouping, i am sure that some folks decided creating and advancing such stories would also farther their careers as well as the revolution. so that may account for some of the stories as well. every country has such folks. second point, japanese brutality. i dont know the individual stories there so i cant say "yes" or "no". but you can check through a variety of sources about the inhumanity and criminal actions of the japanese empire. 200,000+ korean women made into sex slaves for the military; medical experiments on human beings; biological weapons development; the nanking massacre; bayoneting of philipino babies; the list goes on. some apologiest state that the US can be condemned for its use of of nukes on japan. yes, but this in no way lessens the crimes of the japanese. see? there is plenty of blame to go around. hee, hee. Hongkyongnae 19:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
haaaa. that slippery and value laden word..."freer." for me to address that one, please define "free" for me. hee, hee. dont let western definitions dictate your learning about nk. they are "free" by their own definition, but not by that definition held by the US. so, i'm not much help to you on this either. Hongkyongnae 01:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi there! I've replied to your comment on User_talk:Bjornar --Bjornar 17:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your additions to Saint Dominic. I adjusted the changes you made to the paragraph on his parentage, because the paragraph cites its sources and your additions don't. However, I added in a footnote that Juana de Aza is usually called "Jane" in English. I also added more detail on the dream, as described by Jordan of Saxony -- not quite what you said, but close.
If you know the earliest source that gives his mother's family name as "de Aza", that would be a really useful addition! Andrew Dalby 12:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
After reading your statements on your page, I agree that NPOV hinders the ability to really edit and make Wikipedia articles. First, everyone argues over it and fail to pay attention to the article.
Also, even though it is supposed to be a "neutral" view, Wikipedia can never be fully neutral because a neutral point of view would really be no point of view. Every person has a different point of view to an article and even if a neutral viewpoint is shared it doesn't work easily.
Wikipedia should follow outside events and other internet sites and essays. It does have a tab for current issues but writing new information always brings up POV POV POV. NPOV just makes an article not as good as it could be. Good friend100 14:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
On my talk page, you wrote:
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After reading your message,I found the same situation which I encountered.IMHO,the Korean in the early stage is essentially a Civil War,before the US intervention.And the severity of this early stage really confined to a very limited extent,just imaging,the troops of KCP is the size of 10 or 20 division,so if the war ended then,there wont be a million civilion casualities,though we had to consider the nowaday korean maybe a country like China and Vietnam.The American really love their lives,especially the ones of their compatriots,So I hated someone claiming the casualities number or figure or something do not make importance,but in the meantime,they showed in the every edits this war following only to the american way of thinking,dont want hear from the voices other than US.So I found maybe this article really sounds like the 3rd opinion which some editor had stated before it's english wikipedia,so it's common to reflect more english or american views,I coined the term American NPOV to describe this kind of situation.Maybe it's true,english wiki isn't a Utopia which meant to be.--Ksyrie(Talkie talkie) 10:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, I found your page through the talk section of Korean Nationalism, if you are still interested in the page I would very much like help repairing the overall negative tone and information(for a more NPOV). I made a few changes including a brief introduction and origins section, as well as a history section which will be filled in the upcoming days. Overall the entire article needs to be restructured, as it reads like random bits of information(related to korean nationalism or not) thrown on the page. Let me know what you think. CatherineKim (talk) 05:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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