I see that word all the time on Wikipedia -_-
I don't like the word in Wikipedia either. WhisperToMe 02:14, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi, first I want to thank you for all the help copyediting that article, and yes, and right now I’ve already taken a look at talk.GeneralPatton 22:00, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Please have a look at Occupation_of_Palestine when you have a chance. I have had to revert changes made by HistoryBuffEr twice now. He has inserted massive POV into Ed Poor's revision, and he insists that doing so is "neutral". --Viriditas 04:58, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Violence against Israelis. Thank you. IZAK 09:31, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK to my attention. It seems that "HistoryBuffer etc" will stop at nothing to further his aims, including manipulation of well-meaning admins. Pity. IZAK 03:07, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hi, you stated: "(Actually, placing it there was poisoning the well, particularly in light of the wording. Either prove he committed medical fraud, or leave it where it belongs)"
I suggest that you have it back to front. Is it not on the person who makes the original assertion where the burden of proof lies? How can someone look through a microscope at foreskin remnants from cadavers and decide eureka that he has discovered/confirmed/whatever a sexual function for a specific part of the item? If you do not understand the difference between Meissner's corpuscles and Vater-Pacini corpuscles then should you really be making comment re the crux of the argument in this case? I hereby therefore respectfully request that either you inform yourself of the issues around the circumcision debate (and therefore be able to make an informed contribution) or step back from involvement lest you inadvertently find yourself supporting POV from one side or the other in the mistaken belief that you are accurately promoting NPOV. - Robert the Bruce 01:37, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Please see the latest three articles in pages up for review, in Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism. RK 01:55, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
Walabio. I'm sorry I've been serving as an adhoc adviser and mediator for him. I wrote curretly and I apologize for the misundertanding. You may wan to consider archiving some of your talk its 66 kb long. You can do so by moving some or all of the page here User talk:Jayjg/archive1 or at another location of your choosing and adding a link on one of your user/talk pages. :) -JCarriker 14:29, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)
You changed the sentence to read, "*Many wear a kippah (Jewish head covering), prayer shawls and tzitzit." Many cannot wear a single kippah; many must wear many kipot. "Tzitzit" is already plural as is, of course, "prayer shawls." The sentence was correct as it was originally written. Raina 05:31, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Looking for your support against User:Bsktcase on page Genocides in history regarding breach of genocide convention against Israelis. Please support the NPOV article posted and help keep it there. User:Evolver of Borg
Hi Jayjg, --Here's how I check the number. You need a text editor with a line number feature (or you could use Excel). Click on your contributions: now click on one of the numbers of contributions above other than the default (e.g. "100"); your URL will now show http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&target=Jayjg&limit=100&offset=0 or something very similar. Now change the number from 100 to a number which you are sure is larger than your number of contributions. When the page finishes loading, copy and paste the entire thing into a text editor (or bring it into Excel). Turn on line numbers, and there you have it! I count 3054 for you. I'm yet to find an easier way. Happy editing! Antandrus 15:03, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
When you're using the magic sysop button to revert something that isn't obvious vandalism, you should probably leave an explanation on the talk page; the automatic summary (Reverted edits by X to last version by Y) can seem rude and dismissive otherwise. —No-One Jones (m) 22:36, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Are you aware Blankfaze has a put an "Alert" on his user page calling you a "rogue admin"? I don't know what happened between you two, but I can say I don't take Blankfaze too seriously myself. VeryVerily 11:48, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Along that line, Jayjg, I thought you might want to know that User:Alberuni requested my assisstance in dealing with you. I responded as helpfully as I could. Salam. – Quadell (talk) (help)[[]] 20:30, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
Probably this user had visited my userpage, without knowing I'm the exception to the rule. :) Etz Haim 02:21, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. No, I will not be editing on any historical-political articles for now, for the reasons I have stated. The text is there for you or others to use if you want. Adam 02:33, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
After already crossing your steps in the VfD ofOccupation of Palestine and Talk:West Bank, now I was awakened by my watchlist at your edit of Druze, please see Talk:Druze. Please be assured that I'm genuinely interested in advancement of the articles in a friendly and NPOV spirit. --Pjacobi 17:39, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Please see History of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict#The war for Palestine where User:HistoryBuffer insists on inserting: that Israel "in contravention of the Partition plan, began killing and ethnically cleansing Palestinian Arab population. Palestine's five neighbour states then attacked Israel."...When no-one but he says this, and refuses to accept anything else. He also insists on editing-away lots of NPOV's that don't suit him, take a look at [1] please. IZAK 08:36, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Someone offered to delete this category, because it is "inherently POV". I harshly disagree and voted to Keep. So far, the vote is 6-5 in favour of keep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#.5B.5B:Category:Terrorists.5D.5D MathKnight 12:27, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
User:Xed fears that our systemic bias project is little more than, in your words, "a socially acceptable back-door way of promoting anti-Americanism". I can't readily determine the context. I would guess that you used that phrase to characterize how Xed is pitching the idea to others. Am I right? [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk)]] 18:12, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
"socially acceptable back-door way of promoting anti-Americanism" to "minimize the significance of the 9/11 attacks" - Show me the evidence, or withdraw your statements. --- Xed 01:16, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Since you have refused to back-up your statements, after repeated requests, I have submitted the issue to Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation -- Xed 13:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I will never let you down! [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 19:27, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
What's the issue there? Just the anti-Israel/anti-Hasbara thing? Ambi 06:29, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I wanted to alert you to an error in your indentation/reply in the "Questioning Consensus" section of the Occupation of Palestine article. I was going to fix it, but I decided it would be best to ask you to fix it since you are the author. At the end of that section, you indented your comments in reply to me, instead of HistoryBuffEr, and it looks like you are referring to my comments when in fact you are not. Would you mind fixing that? All you have to do is remove one indent or ":". Thanks. --Viriditas 06:39, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, but I've had very little time for the Wikimedia world recently. I just noticed that even having resolved the Tanakh chapters business, I never even got around to updating the article based on the resolution! In the immediate meantime, I just found out that a vote began on my WikiSource Proposal Wikisource:Wikisource:Scriptorium/Language_domain_proposal, so I'm going to take care of that first. I'll get back to the Israel-related articles as well, though.Dovi 11:00, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)
Jayjg hi. Stalking unconstructive users to pages in the main domain space is one thing. I do that myself. But answering Alberuni's reply on Benc's page was in my opinion out of line. Have some respect for Benc's judgement! Don't let Alberuni's rudeness cloud your vision (I know it's hard).
Just my 2c. Gadykozma 01:57, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
From User:IZAK#Opposing Anti-Semitism on Wikipedia: See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK
:Izak, from my own experience, I suggest you now take HistoryBuffEr straight to Arbitration, and demand he be banned from all articles concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. You have a great and compelling body of evidence against him. GeneralPatton 19:36, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Users are asked to please help set this in motion.
Pathetically, HistoryBuffer is now antagonizing more people at Holocaust denial examined, see the "history" of that page and the "revert wars" and other stuff at Talk:Holocaust denial examined IZAK 02:25, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC):
User:Alberuni has now exceeded the three-revert rule on Hasbara. I can't tell exactly how many reverts he has done in the last 24 hours, but it's hovering somewhere around six. --Viriditas 09:05, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Is it your view that the amount of Western Aramaic in the Yerushalmi is comparable to the Babli? My copy of the Yerushalmi is definitely mainly in Hebrew -- and so is any other copy I have ever seen or studied. Looking forward to hearing your opinion... שבת שלום ! -- Olve 21:27, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I don't really care either way on some of the ostensibly "famous" Jews, but John Zorn is, indeed, pretty famous, prossibly the most famous living avant garde jazz musician in the U.S., and emphatically Jewish: one of his groups is called Masada, he did an album called Bar Kokhba, and he has done some of the most interestingly contemporary reworkings of klezmer music, plus has systematically used material from other Jewish jazz and rock musicians, notably an entier album each of Serge Gainsbourg and also one of Mark Bolan. Again, I don't care if he's in or out, but I'd have picked him as a more emphatically Jewish voice in contemporary music than Gainsbourg. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:01, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)
Hi Jayjg, on the category VfD you wrote:
Would include in that e.g. Iyad Allawi who recently told Fallujah that their city would be bombed unless they gave up Zarqawi (who is almost certainly not in the city) ? When the city will be flattened soon, it will clearly be collective punishment of civilians. What reasoning allows us to decide wether this is terrorism or not? I'm genuinely interested in your answer.
I completely agree with you statement btw., and I think in almost all cases, there shouldn't be any problem as to the facts. However, I feel in practise it's a different story. - pir 13:06, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
What are you asking me to do? -- Jmabel | Talk 20:48, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
You say, "Please do whatever you think is reasonable and appropriate." I think that having little idea of the facts in the areas where you are disagreeing it is not "reasonable and appropriate" for me to edit the article. I'd suggest that you temporarily leave his edits stand (nothing so drastic that it will be appalling to leave it up there for a day), make your case point-by-point on the talk page, seek comment from others who've been involved in the article, including Style whom I can see you've already invited to discuss it there, and see if anyone else steps in and consensus can be reached. But all that you can do without me. Is there something concrete you want me to do? -- Jmabel | Talk 21:01, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
You say you want him (I'm paraphrasing) dealt with severely. What are you asking me do do? Put an announcement on my user page a la User:Xed calling him a rogue? If you want to raise complaints against him, there are channels for that. I don't see any emergency here, it's not like he's going all around Wikipedia damaging articles. The issue, presumably, ought to be how we ultimately get a good article on the topic, not whether his behavior annoys you. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:13, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
A balance between the viewpoints is suggested. As most who identify themselves as Christians would take exception to someone claiming to be Messiah in the place of (or alongside with) Jesus and in light of your disagreement over this, I created a "marginal" viewpoints category. That is the acceptable term given to such groups in various almanacs and seemed appropriate given your inclination. Again, though, most Christians would take exception to the multiple messiah idea.
Solved the problem by deleting the part I suggested as "In Christianity" as this is effectively discussed in the "New Testament" section and instead of the "marginal" category I had originally elected (I do understand your reasoning, but disagree with it given the number of almanacs using the category), and titled it "Other Messiahs" which effectively describes the category without bias.--eleuthero 21:22, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Did I forget to do that? My apologies—I was on a protecting drive (clearing out requests for page protection. Which article was that? [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 23:11, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
I appreciate it mate :) - Ta bu shi da yu 08:53, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Good to see you've not lost your sense of humor and are capable of self-parody. - Xed 15:08, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Jayjg, you kept reverting my additions to 1982 Invasion of Lebanon without explanation and then hypocritically complained that I didn't explain my counter-reverts in talk. So now I have. Now it's your turn. Kindly explain the reasoning behind each one of your reverts. If you cannot give understandable reasons for your reverts, then I can only conclude they were a POV tactic to waste my time and any further such reverts on that page (and perhaps others) will have to be ignored. Thanks. --style 17:06, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)
Jayjg, perhaps you don't understand English. The above is not a threat. It's a request.
I'll state it more clearly: Please explain why you reverted my changes to 1982 Invasion of Lebanon 4 times. --style 17:57, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)
See User talk:Style#My condolences on your headache: "He's the slimiest bastard AH on Wikipedia. Alberuni 15:32, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)"
Yuck, what language. IZAK 10:10, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hi Jayjg. Why did you revert my edits to a new section of Ten commandments without explanation? The new section that I repositioned and shortened was largely a badly written rehash of something covered in the "Introduction" (which I reworded as "Overview"). I have citations to back up everything I put in. ???? Fire Star 18:50, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Actually, I didn't think conflating an ungrammatical paragraph with an earlier one which pretty much covered the same ground required proof as such. I don't have a big investment in the article, but I would like to see as much info there as possible. Sinai is called Horeb several times in the OT, for example. A while ago I listed a few of my sources on the "further reading" list of the article. The talk page didn't seem active, your reversions weren't mentioned on the talk page, either. So, my main questions for you are:
1. Which of my edits do you object to?
2. Why do you object to them?
Please know that I am not angry or hostile, but mostly curious. Fire Star 19:16, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hi there, Jayjg. I dumped one section of the State terrorism article, because it was unsalveable, and gave a detailed explanation why in 'Talk'. It should be re-written, maybe, but it was just ridiculous in its current form. Anyways, take a look and make any edits necessary. Terrapin 19:12, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Stop removing my references to Rachel Corrie. Regardless of whether you think the killing of Rachel Corrie was accidental, there was a vastly different reaction to this killing of an American in Gaza. FBI agents were sent to investigate the killing of the US diplomats, but FBI agents were not even sent to determine in Corrie's death was an accident or not. Given that so many eyewitnesses thought it was a murder, you'd have thought the Americans would want to check for yourselves. 80.3.160.4 19:34, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hi Jayjg,
Please send emails to to josiahXXXkaraiticaZZZcom instead of yoshiahXXXancient-pathsZZZnet (XXX = at, ZZZ = dot). I have not figured out how to rectify a problem with some of that server's email software at the time.--Josiah 02:25, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Aloha. I think that there needs to be a interdisciplinary project that focuses on promoting accuracy in Near East issues and articles. Also, it would be interesting if you could come up with some guidelines for countering bias, as well as a list of reputable sources that can be accessed for reference purposes. That way, disputed reverts can cite source material, which will give those with an opposite POV the ability to compare the credibility of citations. I'm just thinking off the top of my head, here. What do you think? --Viriditas 10:05, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Since Style removed his/her personal remarks from Talk:1982 Invasion of Lebanon#Discussion, I took the liberty of refactoring out some of yours. Revert me if you think that was inappropriate. —No-One Jones (m) 16:34, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
You're right, you didn't use the term, and I apologize for any implication that you did. If you re-read the sequence, though, I believe you can see where I would have gotten the misimpression that you were implicitly endorsing it.
Yes, Alberuni is a pain in the ass. It is really two bad we don't have someone working on the article with roughly his POV and a better demeanor, because he makes many valid points, but he gets everyone's hackles up so much that everyone ends up arguing about the rhetoric on the talk page rather than about what the article should say and why. And it doesn't help one iota when people like Josiah choose to match his tone rather than merely criticize it. (Not that I've never been guilty of something similar.) -- Jmabel | Talk 02:01, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)
Please consider adding the Nation of Islam anti-semitism article to your list of Articles currently under attack. See the history for further info. --Viriditas 22:49, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
ARE YOU AJEW ID REALLY LIKE 2 KNOW --Carpetrocks 03:31, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
just wondering Carpetrocks
Why did you replace the text of Rachel Corrie with the complete text of Operation Days of Penitence? --Whosyourjudas (talk) 04:43, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Please note that Wikipedia policy only allows a user to revert an article 3 times in one 24 hour period. RickK 04:52, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
Greetings, I request that you peruse the section in the Medical analysis of circumcision article and assist to refine the article to an acceptable NPOV level. Many thanks. - Robert the Bruce 09:56, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your vote for my adminship. I greatly appreciate your support. ffirehorse 00:15, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hi Jayjg, sorry I won't be able to get involved right now. I've decided to do some work in the real world and stay away from Wikipedia for a couple of months (I'm really busy writing up my PhD thesis which I need to finish by the end of the year). I think the only way to solve all these edit wars will be for both sides to agree to disagree, accept that at Wikipedia the respective versions of The Truth can only be described as views, and tolerate fair descriptions of the conflicting views in the articles in questions. All those editors who reject this kind of tolerance should be banned from editing the articles in question. - pir 16:08, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
To purge your page to see what others have added, click here
What we have here is a very complicated situation. There appears to have been a copy and paste move done between Zionist Revisionism and Revisionism in the Israel-Palestine Conflict. I am quite happy to merge the two and setup a redirect, however because Zionist Revisionism is on VfD at the moment I don't want to do anything like this right at this moment. Also, it is further complicated by the fact that there is another article called Israeli-Palestinian history denial, that's almost exactly the same as the other two. I'm sending a message to all participants so far, requesting their comments on what they think we should do. My own preference is to merge into a more appropriately named article, something like Historical perspectives of Israelis and Palestinians (as that's what this is all about), but I'm flexible. - Ta bu shi da yu 12:16, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, but I've already replied (RfC is on my watch list). As I've said there, there isn't a case to answer, so I'm not worried by it in the slightest. He seems to want me to threaten me into unprotecting the articles, but he's just wasting his time. Proteus (Talk) 21:34, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
(copied from my user talk page - Jmabel | Talk 22:27, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC))
I appreciate your efforts in trying to remain neutral and bring some calm and sanity to the current wars over the Israeli-Palestinian articles. Jayjg 20:56, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
(end copied text)
You're welcome; it's been really hard because in the last week or so I've been embroiled in similar messes with reference to Romanian history and Basque nationalism, and only a little less so over Chile 1970-'73. So many separate things that except for the few really egregious miscreants or the people I've worked with a long time and learned to trust, I have trouble even keeping track of who's who.
My plea to you and others -- and I realize you've been pretty consistently positive in your approach -- is that people try to get all facts and all relevant, responsible points of view into the article, even opinions they disagree with and inconvenient facts, and try to keep the narrative voice of the article neutral. An illustration of what I mean is the work I did at Post-September 11 anti-war movement. While admittedly some of that is still under a neutrality dispute -- I don't know what it would take to make User:Get-back-world-respect happy -- we managed to get this to where at least User:MathKnight and I are both OK with it, and I imagine you've worked with both of us enough to know that was not easy. (Actually, I'm not sure the article could ever be acceptable to both User:Get-back-world-respect and User:MathKnight at the same time.) Still, what I wanted to point to is the quotations I added from Noam Chomsky, Vijay Prashad, and Martin Woollacott. It's not convenient to my politics that they all felt it necessary when condemning the September 11 attacks, with the dust still in the air they chose to immediately add "but of course America has done equally bad things..." The fact is, though, that's what they said, and I'm the one who added this material. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:27, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)
I'm interested. Just very confused why there are so many articles now! Give me a while to look into this, OK? Just to let you know, I have no viewpoint either way right at this moment. I'll try to remain unbiased, and will try to be as fair as possible to both sides of the site. - Ta bu shi da yu 22:40, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I have commented on this RFC. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. - Ta bu shi da yu 09:13, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for that - I didn't know how long the "fight" would have continued otherwise. The article still needs a lot of work to look professional and to be 100% neutral - but this should be tackled by someone who is absolutely impartial - preferably one who hasn't edited it until now. Besides, I don't have the nerves to work on articles which have an active contribution from Nikola Smolenski any more. VMORO
is this your version of NPOV - [2]?
"The Jews against Occupation spokesman went on to rant about Israel, stating ..."
-Xed 17:39, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hi Jayjg, you recently sent me an important message but you left it on my User:IZAK "user page" when it should have been placed on my "DISCUSSION page" also known as the "talk page" at User talk:IZAK (I know that in a rush these things can get overlooked...) Thanks again. IZAK 06:39, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Jay, I had an idea: Wikipedia:Palestine series can keep track of the overlap. It's already helped me to locate some duplicate sections of text, which I've moved or deleted. --Uncle Ed (El Dunce) 19:38, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Please review my comments at the bottom of the Talk:Neo-Nazism page, under the section, Numbers, numbers... Is my statement accurate, and are my cites adequate? Thanks in advance. --Viriditas 04:51, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hi Jayjg. We'Ve currently got two very active new users, User:The Rev of Bru and User:CheeseDreams, who have started a crusade to "neutralize" all the articles on Jesus. Normally, they go too far, but it is quite hard to keep up with them, and I'm a little afraid about going too far in reverting them. As an "outsider" who is well-informed about the topic, maybe you could have a look-though to make sure the articles haven't gone too far one way or the other. Of the two, The Rev of Bru tends to be rather combative and accusatory, while you can actually have a discussion with CheeseDreams. Neither of them show a whole lot of desire to support their claims (and of course, the sorry state of support for claims in those articles at present gives them every right to ask why they, in particular, have to support claims). If I get a good chunk of time here in the near future, I'll try to provide some cites for at least the "Christian" critical scholars. I don't have much on the line of sources for the skeptics, except for the straw men set up in popular books on the topic. Thanks a million! Mpolo 09:05, Oct 31, 2004 (UTC)
You might want to keep an eye on Obstetrics. Walabio added a POV circumcision rant disguised as a procedure in the Labour section. He seems to be an activist for "Genital Integrity". He keeps his talk page blank (like HistoryBuffEr) but archived here. --Viriditas 20:35, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Alberuni's new page, Israeli violence against Palestinian children has been nominated for VfD. Please vote. --Viriditas 10:05, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I didn't understand your answer at Talk:Struggle_over_Palestine#Reply_to_Jmabel. Please see my request for clarification there. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:13, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
I was going to leave wikipedia because of Irate, however I figured I should stay.--198 22:59, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Hi Jay,
Happily, I am considerably more employed than I used to be. Unhappily, this means I have less time to devote to Wikipedia. I am still regularly checking my watched pages and trying to contribute to decreasing systemic bias by writing about Venezuela and labor unions. If you want to work on Israel Shahak, I will do my best to help you out, though I may not be able to keep up.
Peace,
DanKeshet 19:23, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)
Sam Spade is engaging in historical revisionism on Nazi Germany and Pursuit of Nazi collaborators. --Viriditas 22:37, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Well done for protecting this, but the version you have protected is the vandalised version. Please switch to the version before that. 172.202.238.189
I'd appreciate your thoughts on Cultural and Historical Background of Jesus, especially concerning my differences with Cheese. Thanks, Slrubenstein
Hi Jayjg, can you see what is going on on the Cultural and historical background of Jesus page? I did not protect it; I am not sure whether Cheese did (which would be wrong, as he is the vandal here) or you -- I don't understand Cheese's comment above. In any event, if you have protected it would you please consider protecting the (Revision as of 23:09, 2 Nov 2004) version -- this version is much closer to the original version of the article (if you use the page history and look at the first version of the article) and factually more accurate. Thanks, Slrubenstein
Okay, I accept what you did. Still, when I first appealed to you I was hoping you would offer your own comments on the different issues on the talk page. I wante dto know what you think. If you feel uncomfortable getting involved in the discussion I understand, though. Slrubenstein
You are screwing up the categories such as Category:Nobel Peace Prize winners by storing versions of pages you are vandalizing, such as User:Jayjg/YA. --Alberuni 18:27, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
It sickens me that you would encourage a stalker sockpuppet like User:Spleeman, who has less than 500 total edits [3] (most of which spent harassing me), and hasn't edited since august, to review my edits. You've lost all respect from me (I thought you were a pretty good editor up till now). In the future, take your concerns up with users personally, rather than attempting to bring in Troll muscle. I hope your ashamed of yourself, I am certainly ashamed for you. [[User:Sam Spade|Thomas Jefferson for President]] 18:48, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I can't believe you claim to an NPOV warrior when it is very obvious that you systematically edit and revert pages that dare to criticise the policies of the Israeli government. You are obviously as Zionist POV warrior and could at least admit it. Kingal86 20:17, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
See these six categories up for "votes of deletion":
Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorists and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Palestinian_terrorist_organizations and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Middle_East_terrorists and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Terrorist_organizations and Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Islamic_terrorist_organizations and this one too: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Jewish_terrorist_organizations
IZAK 10:10, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Dear Jayjg,
The prayer of the heart is not a thing to be taken lightly. It has been regarded by the church as a thing that if practiced without years of monastic discipline can lead to spiritual delusion on the grandest scale. Having members of the priesthood and monastics in my family they assure me this is a legitimate danger. It is oddly similar for the ascetic practices of many religions. Buddhists and Hindus practice similar forms of meditation and themselves warn against spiritual delusion among the naïve and those that venture along this path without a guide. The desert fathers tell of many who become delusional from this practice. It is only properly done under the strict control and observation of an experienced elder and I doubt there is any responsible church leader who would disagree with me. The popular book, “The Way of the Pilgrim” is from that late Russian romantic period that tells a story without much substance to it. Its an interesting piece of Russian literature – I have it on my shelf. But anyone who thinks that it is an example of the proper use of the Jesus Prayer must be completely unaware of the danger inherent in the practice.
This was the point of my rewrite.
Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/IZAK/Evidence. Thank you. IZAK 07:02, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Michael Snow has protected Blankfaze's version of the Dore Gold page, while the consensus on the talk page is in opposition to this version. Please see my comments on this issue. --Viriditas 12:31, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)